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    Hirschmann 4140L - Acceptable for a 67S without antenna on the Kardex?

    Thanks to Joris and Nicklas, I learnt that, in case the factory installed an antenna on an early 67S model, it was the Hirschmann Auta 4000 C 71 L.

    On the Kardex of the car, for which I am looking for an antenna, there is no radio nor antenna listed.
    So, I assume an antenna was dealer installed. The car has had a radio and antenna before, but not anymore at the moment I bought it.
    In line with that assumption, I am looking for an antenna a dealer or car radio service center would have used in September 1966.
    I assume not always an Auta 4000 C 71 L was used in the latter case, but I can be wrong.

    When looking into the Hirschmann catalogue (valid as from September 1st. 1973), I saw that on a BMW 2500/2800, next to the Auta 4000 C 301 L (the almost identical twin sister antenna of the Auta 4000 C 71 L at Porsche) with specific mounting parts, the Auta 4140L was used with universal parts (outside the factory).
    See: https://vdhflipbooks.de/books/KAT/KA.../index.html#34

    In line with that, I would assume that the Auta 4140L was also used on a Porsche "universally" outside the factory. However, I cannot find any evidence of that. On the contrary, the same catalogue doesn't even mention the Auta C 71 L for Porsche, only the Auta 4000 M 801. I have an Auta 4000 M 801, but I would rather use that one for a (late) model 1973 or later.

    The Auta 4140L has the same head as the Auta 4000 C 71 L (Auta 4195 head) and the same keys (Auta 4088 keys). However, the 4140 L is a 140cm 4 mast antenna, while the 4000 C 71 L is only 110cm. The booklet mentions also the Swedisch language, so as far as language is concerned, it would match the car .

    What are your opinions? Would you be happy with such antenna on such car in this context? All opinions are welcome.

    I will add some pictures of the antenna.
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    I'm far from an expert on the earlier cars, but since your car's antenna was dealer installed, that 4140L seems like a perfectly appropriate choice for your car. I'd be very happy with it.

    Of course, I'd probably also be happy with the Auta 4000 M 801 you have, either for your 67S, or even better for my '72T which did have the antenna and Frankfurt installed at the factory. So if you decide to look for a home for the 4000 M 801 that has some Swedish heritage, let me know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne View Post
    ...So if you decide to look for a home for the 4000 M 801 that has some Swedish heritage, let me know!
    Unfortunately I cannot miss it. An alternative is the 4000 M 805. Not identical, but close: https://www.koenigs-klassik-radios.d...omt_30127_1531

    Thanks for you view on my situation.

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    If you could take a picture of the closing panel of the drivers side foot well we can probably give you an indication whether a Hirschmann antenna was fitted or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 718RSK View Post
    If you could take a picture of the closing panel of the drivers side foot well we can probably give you an indication whether a Hirschmann antenna was fitted or not.
    Are you looking for the hole in the fender joining panel to fix the (Hirschmann) bracket?
    New correct joining panels have been placed and I had all other holes closed, which should not be there.

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    It was expected that Hirschmann Auta 4000 C71L was no longer included in the brochure for 73/74. See the discussion in the thread below.

    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...irschmann+auta

    Attaches another interesting link (see page 12, post 111 and 112).
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hlight=antenna

    The factory option would have been a Hirschmann Auta 4000 C71L. I don't know if 4140L was the antenna commonly installed by dealers back in the day.
    The antenna mast has the same Hirschmann part no (4195). So why not just try to find the installation accessories that were specific to a Porshce factory installed antenna (the alu wedge part no 4929 and the specific antenna base bracket)? The alu wedge is not that hard to find or can be fabricated. The base bracket is a little more trickier. Se link below for reference pic.

    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ntenna+bracket


    It's a nice antenna that you have. I had installed it. And then continue to look for the specific mounting accessories (C71L). The hunt for parts is part of the fun.

    Best Nick
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicklasliljegren View Post
    So why not just try to find the installation accessories that were specific to a Porshce factory installed antenna (the alu wedge part no 4929 and the specific antenna base bracket)?
    This is what I am doing.
    Thanks for you post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adore911 View Post
    An alternative is the 4000 M 805. Not identical, but close: https://www.koenigs-klassik-radios.d...omt_30127_1531
    Black shaft is wrong for my '72. That one isn't going to be good for me. But thanks for the suggestion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne View Post
    Black shaft is wrong for my '72. That one isn't going to be good for me. But thanks for the suggestion.
    They are also available in a chrome version: https://www.koenigs-klassik-radios.d...103_30101_1505

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