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    Smile Special early 1964 features on 1965 cars

    It could be interesting to establish how long did special 1964 features continue to appear on 1965 built cars:

    Vin: 300492 (delivered new on 9 March 1965):

    - still has 6 vertical folds on front seats
    - still has early exchangers
    - still has early lower dash
    - still has 4 screws on front vents
    - still has leather gear change base
    - has the 911 script on the lid but NOT on the glove box
    - no longer has fuel door release inside the door pilar
    - no longer has the flat engine bay lid
    - no longer has the longer engine hood

    Vin: 301666 (sold on 12/7/1965 in California, so I presume 7 december 1965):

    - no longer has 6 vertical folds
    - heat exchangers were replaced in 1984, not sure what type was originally mounted
    - still has early lower dash
    - still has 4 screws
    - still has leather gear
    - has BOTH the 911 script on the lid and on the glove box

    What happened in between?

    Establishing by Vin numbers when early features were dropped would be helpful (it would help me know if early exchangers were originally on 492 )

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    301421- about like 301666. Midsummer production '65

    Leather shift boot
    4 screw dash
    early lower dash
    911 script both places
    raised top bar on engine grill
    very small knob fuel door release, but under dash
    Leather e-brake boot

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    What unique 1964 features were missing for 300492, and when did they end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Milou View Post
    It could be interesting to establish how long did special 1964 features continue to appear on 1965 built cars:

    Vin: 300492 (delivered new on 9 March 1965):

    - still has 6 vertical folds on front seats
    - still has early exchangers
    - still has early lower dash
    - still has 4 screws on front vents
    - still has leather gear change base
    - has the 911 script on the lid but NOT on the glove box
    - no longer has fuel door release inside the door pilar
    - no longer has the flat engine bay lid
    - no longer has the longer engine hood

    Vin: 301666 (sold on 12/7/1965 in California, so I presume 7 december 1965):

    - no longer has 6 vertical folds
    - heat exchangers were replaced in 1984, not sure what type was originally mounted
    - still has early lower dash
    - still has 4 screws
    - still has leather gear
    - has BOTH the 911 script on the lid and on the glove box

    What happened in between?

    Establishing by Vin numbers when early features were dropped would be helpful (it would help me know if early exchangers were originally on 492 )

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    Did this go anywhere? Specifically engine lid grills.
    Trying to establish when they dropped the tall version.
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    #301111 has the short one Frank.

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    1022 has short, 705 has tall.
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    Great thread. Always asking questions, let me try to contribute here for a change ;-)

    Here is my running register of features I have been collecting. Pls add to this with your comments & complementary data. I will regularly publish updates of my register here with your new input.

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    member 2971 Jacques
    911 March 1965
    912 April 1965
    911 May 1965
    964 RS clone (one of many)
    964 Targa original Dutch police car (one of 45)
    964 Turbo 3.6 (one of 1450)
    993 S Vesuvio (one of 250)

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    Comparison of early 1965 (before MY66) features
    301382
    delivered 21 June 1965, probably sat around for a while

    Chassis, shell, & trim
    luggage hooks in baggage compartment no
    4 screw horn grills yes
    no circular indents in floor pan I need to look
    911 script on engine lid yes
    flat engine lid crossbar no
    longer engine lid ? (I don't know the difference)
    fuel door release inside door pillar no
    tall engine grill ? (I don't know the difference)

    technical
    early heat exchangers now SSIs My understanding is the "early heat exchangers" were used through 1966 but prooved unsafe so virtually all have been replaced

    interior
    6 folds in seats not now The seats had been recovered when I got the car in 1997
    early lower dash yes
    leather shift boot yes
    leather hand brake boot yes
    4 screw dash no
    911 script on glovebox yes
    rubber mats not now The carpet had been redone when I got the car in 1997
    Jim Alton
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    1965 Porsche 911 coupe
    1958 Porsche 356A cabriolet

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    I'll add some info for #301111:

    luggage hooks in baggage compartment...yes
    4 screw horn grills...yes
    911 script on engine lid...yes
    flat engine lid crossbar...no
    fuel door release inside door pillar...no
    tall engine grill...no

    leather shift boot...yes
    leather hand brake boot...yes
    4 screw dash...yes
    911 script on glovebox...yes
    Carpet on floors...yes

    John
    1965 911 #301111, Red Book Vol 1 "Cover Car," owned 48 years.
    1967 911 #307347, bare-bones, some road wear, a little surface rust, and a few dents..., owned 8 years.
    1970 914/6GT, http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/image/68715183, (For Sale- ran the last three Rennsports)owned 30 years.


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    txs, will update later.

    1/ Are the features listed distinctive ones?
    I have some doubts about the following:
    - rubber mats: did any car manufactured jan.-jul 1965 have rubber mats or was carpet standard all the way?
    - 911 script on lid, 4 screw horn grills, 4 screw dash, early lower dash, leather shift knob: didn't all cars have that
    - early exchangers: probably not distinctive, see NeunElf remark

    2/ are there other features that changed during 1H65?
    member 2971 Jacques
    911 March 1965
    912 April 1965
    911 May 1965
    964 RS clone (one of many)
    964 Targa original Dutch police car (one of 45)
    964 Turbo 3.6 (one of 1450)
    993 S Vesuvio (one of 250)

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