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    Update for all.

    It is growing, but we are far from maturity. More input needed on features of relevance. By the way, it is also good to establish clear understanding thru this effort of what was not changed during 1H65 and get that out of the way. I added 2 features: leather handbrake boot and black color under the engine grill. The latter is a running debate and I got the feeling at some point it is linked to the color of the car rather than period. More info or links to relevant threads welcome.

    Possibly we can extend to 2H65 at some point, although I'd expect changes to become fewer every quarter.

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    member 2971 Jacques
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    I would like to ad another feature: the early valve covers had a different shape than the later ones. The ribs were lower at the edges and grew higher to the middle of the cover.
    Chris

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    txs Chris. Was this something that changed during 1965 or later?
    member 2971 Jacques
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    Here's two more for #301111

    Champ-yellow
    Black under grill...original paint

    John
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    1960 356 Roaster, race car, SCCA, sold
    1960 356 Roadster, show car, sold.
    1962 356 Cab, show car, sold.
    1965 911 #301111, Red Book Vol 1 "Cover Car," owned 54 years.
    1967 911 #307347, bare-bones, some road wear, a little surface rust, and a few dents..., owned 14 years.
    1970 914/6GT, (Sold - ran the last three Rennsports)owned 30 years.


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    Here is some data on 1318 - Light Ivory (6404) - unrestored so confident in data.

    Luggage hooks in baggage compartment? - yes
    4 screw horn grills? - yes
    circular indents in floor pan? - yes, has them.
    911 script on lid? - yes
    flat engine lid cross bar - no
    longer engine lid - no
    fuel door release inside door pillar? - no
    tall engine grill? - no
    back paint under engine grill? - yes
    early heat exchangers? - no
    6 folds in seats? - no, 5
    early lower dash - yes
    leather shiftknob boot? - yes
    leather handbrake boot? - yes
    4 screw dash? - yes, actually 5 screw. 4 across front and one on right side, all with plastic button tops.
    911 script on glovebox? - yes
    rubber mats? - no, carpet on floor

    Additional data that I've occasionally seen questions about:
    Lower valve cover fins are same height
    Center cam lubrication
    non-adjustable front shock towers
    carpet has leather around slots for pedals
    carpet has leather around heater slide
    356 B/C style gear shift knob
    5 piece wood dash
    round knob for decklid release
    gray turnsignal gaskets
    paint code 6404

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    Txs John & 356rider, would you tell us what date your cars were produced?

    356rider, you have the luggage hooks, but I am pretty sure 1254 did not anymore. We know that in those days -due to the production organization- changes cannot always be marked clearly, or other later circumstance leads to wrong impressions today, but still it is remarkable.
    Just to be sure, we are talking these luggage hooks

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    member 2971 Jacques
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    964 RS clone (one of many)
    964 Targa original Dutch police car (one of 45)
    964 Turbo 3.6 (one of 1450)
    993 S Vesuvio (one of 250)

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    anybody help?
    member 2971 Jacques
    911 March 1965
    912 April 1965
    911 May 1965
    964 RS clone (one of many)
    964 Targa original Dutch police car (one of 45)
    964 Turbo 3.6 (one of 1450)
    993 S Vesuvio (one of 250)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pss View Post
    Txs John & 356rider, would you tell us what date your cars were produced?

    356rider, you have the luggage hooks, but I am pretty sure 1254 did not anymore. We know that in those days -due to the production organization- changes cannot always be marked clearly, or other later circumstance leads to wrong impressions today, but still it is remarkable.
    Just to be sure, we are talking these luggage hooks
    Production date for 1318 was June 4, 1965. On the luggage hooks, yes we are talking the same thing. I believe the original owner bent them, although the carpet does not have slits so I'm not sure. I do not think the early cars were consistent on these hooks and it is a bit of a mystery and has been discussed before in another thread.

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    I'm thinking sometime around the end of April or the beginning of May. And the carpet does have slits cut for the hooks.

    John
    1959 356 Coupe, 1600 Super, sold
    1960 356 Roaster, race car, SCCA, sold
    1960 356 Roadster, show car, sold.
    1962 356 Cab, show car, sold.
    1965 911 #301111, Red Book Vol 1 "Cover Car," owned 54 years.
    1967 911 #307347, bare-bones, some road wear, a little surface rust, and a few dents..., owned 14 years.
    1970 914/6GT, (Sold - ran the last three Rennsports)owned 30 years.


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