'Versuch' Cars

[Simoni]

How did you guys get to linking Versuch cars with racing or factory cars in particular? (I seem to have missed this?)

If we look at the German meaning 'Versuch' is a request or a wish, something special was requested when producing the car or delivering the car? Special color, options, delivery at the factory,...? I believe you can or could request a lot of things.


edit: "ich versuche deutsch zu lernen" -> i wish to learn to speak German

[210bhp]

I think because some of these cars were given to racing/rally drivers as back door payments. This was certainly the case with the E I discovered. At the time there was a maximum of £50 cash allowed across the UK border to and from mainland Europe but you could quite legally drive your factory versuch ‘gift’ back to the UK and then sell it.


Regards
Mike

[ejboyd5]

How did you guys get to linking Versuch cars with racing or factory cars in particular? (I seem to have missed this?)
If we look at the German meaning 'Versuch' is a request or a wish, something special was requested when producing the car or delivering the car? Special color, options, delivery at the factory,...? I believe you can or could request a lot of things.
edit: "ich versuche deutsch zu lernen" -> i wish to learn to speak German

Absolutely correct, but some misconceptions die hard and are perpetuated to add a racing aura to otherwise normal vehicles that were produced for a specific demand. See post #24, supra.

[LongRanger]

. . . How did you guys get to linking Versuch cars with racing or factory cars in particular? (I seem to have missed this?) . . .

Not racing cars. Racing drivers --- Oliver, Ahrens, et al . . . seem to've gotten these

. . . look at the German meaning 'Versuch' is a request or a wish, something special was requested when producing the car or delivering the car? Special color . . . I believe you can or could request a lot of things . . .

Not sure if any of these vehicles were 'requested,' per se. Some seem to be cars that were either re-purposed and/or discounted at some point ---'special' more for the way they're delivered than their spec

. . . edit: "ich versuche deutsch zu lernen" -> i wish to learn to speak German . . .

Uuuuh --- no

Wünschen vs versuchen . . . different. Recall Porsche's own Sonderwünsch Program . . . = very different

. . . delivery at the factory,...? . . .

Don't think that 'factory delivery' is that unusual; lotsa people still pick their cars up there. Now, 'factory use' (aka 'händler 100') is something different --- but also problematic . . .

http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...er-Nr-100-Cars



A handful of vehicles seem to be BOTH . . . and not sure why





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[Fubawu]

So I take it not all VERSUCH cars are Handler 100 cars?

[LongRanger]

. . . So I take it not all VERSUCH cars are Handler 100 cars? . . .

Yup . . .

. . . and apparently, 'WE' is the earlier designation for 'factory use'?


Anyway, here are vehicles that I can recall that have records that show both . . .
..1) VIN = 500006 --- '66 Targa
. . . see next post . . .

..2) VIN = 119300950 --- '69 coupe, ex-Kurt Ahrens
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...Kurt-Ahrens-jr

..3) VIN = 9110301059 --- '70 Coupe, ex-Jo Siffert
See post #3 . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...er-Nr-100-Cars



davep may know of others?



Strange, huh? You'd think that one would require the other, but --- at least from the cars that've shown-up here, so far . . . not the case




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[LongRanger]

VIN = 500006
Eng# = 900541
Trans# = 103011




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[LongRanger]

. . . . still around?

http://www.zelger.it/de/h%C3%B6rger%...tirol/1-0.html




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[wgm]

There are several "Siegfried Zelger" located in or nearby Munich. The address "Grünwalderstr.108" is a gas station today. I would assume that it was a gas station in the sixties & seventies too. What I have found is an obituary, which would fit - see attachment.

[tomlu]

Thanks Rick for posting

The Kardex tells

S-equipment and Fuschs rims
And we have this tyre measure
The WE ovens the car but the versuch department used it.
And later sold to Siegfried 26/6-67 nearly one year later.

Ho was this Siegfried ?
In post #39
I think that was the man to ask but his wife Gerdi Zelger still going strong I believe
And His friend Herbert Stoffel died in 2016
My German are zero and English near zero .lol.
Help needed for photos and story.
The rest I have from 1970

Then we have this transmission 902/02 nr 103011

Was this an tryout for upcoming 902/02 or ?
What do I know.

The engine
An old 65 engine in an modern 66 but it runs like hell.
The only S coups I see is in the mirror.
Maybe som extra Hp in the Vin tag.

Then the color code 6702
Some beer at the lunch break

Siegfried sold it to an dealer in München 1969 I think.

Rolf Petersen (Sweden )bought it from the dealer in München 7jan-70
The old pictures are from him
The last picture in post#37
And I have some more between 70-76


The 911 number on engine cover
Maybe som tryout for 67
The car before 006
66 script and the car after compete 67 script and number