Aus delivered matching numbered 71T big restoration looking for a home

[reedminor]

Its sad, given I can vaguely remember the car before it was taken off the road.

But there is a lot to do, and spend on this. I think it would be best saved and used as the basis for a period hot rod, but even that still won't be cheap.

Just as with 356's cars that were being junked 15 years ago, are being saved. I think we are at that tipping point, or soon will be.

It would also help if T's got some love, from the magazines and our community. The magazines say you must buy an S or at worst an E, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a T. I've driven quite a few and they are wonderful little cars.

We also need to stop saying " its only a T".

Off my soapbox for now!

Justin

[Fishcop]

The lowly T's will get love. Right now they are the only "affordable" entry into early AU delivered 911 ownership, so there's not much choice for new entrants - pay big $ for the S and increasingly the E cars, or play smart and grab the T's whilst you can... Of course "needing restoration" is another game.

A 'hotrod' 911 when built properly is superior to all the factory variants (performance wise), and thankfully as a legacy of VW hotrods/California/aftermarket industry have their own niche and will hold value. Though nothing like keeping car original I suspect - certainly in the Aussie market anyway.

I predict it won't be too long before savvy people sit on their stock SC and Carrera variants

Getting back to the subject car... If one presumed it cost $15k to secure (and that's arguable), $60k to get the body back, and another $30 to clean up engine/gearbox, plus $5k for carpets and interior; is a really nice and solid "fresh" AU delivered 911T in a nice colour worth $110k? Not now? What about in 5-7 years?

Food for thought

[HughH]

John
we have seen the odd T sell for more than that $110 in the past couple of years, but I would say the figure now for a "fresh" one would be a bit shy of $100 (with an "original" one in very good condition a bit over $100 to the right buyer). it is hard to say how much a fully restored car (very well done) will sell at a discount to an "original" excellent condition car because for many people the fresh car will be more useable and more attractive. it is only the originality freaks - for want of a better name - that put a premium on original paint etc.
so IF prices keep doing what they have been for the last 3 to 4 years I suspect it wont be long before a fresh T (assuming it is done correctly and there is nothing more to do) will give you the $110. The question for me is how much will you have to spend on a car such as this to get you there. Increasingly the panels etc are becoming available and a good metal man can make the rest. Engine parts and mechanicals generally are all available, most of the interior is also available.
I think in today's market your restoration figures may be a bit UNDER the mark - I think the biggest risk is on the bodywork - the hours can mount up very quickly (as you know) the engine / gearbox sounds about right, i would think the interior would be closer to $8 to $10K if you include all the bits and pieces -dash, gauges steering wheel etc. and were you counting suspension, new fuel tank /system, wheels etc all of which will need a major refurb or replacement. I would say that not counting the original cost that most likely you would have to put over $100K into it unless, like you, a significant amount was done by the owner and the labour not valued.
If it was me looking at it as a project the question I would be looking at is whether to put it BACK to a sporto?? and what THAT may do to the value down the track

[Fishcop]

Very good points Hugh.

I was reading a DDK thread (Mongrel Street Racer?) and I think there was a suggestion of 600 hours in paint and panel, and this is certainly about what I had in mine... 600 x $110 hour (good tradie) is around $66,000, so there certainly is some variables in it.

There are definitely some significant savings to be had if you can work on your own engines and gearboxes - honestly there is a lot you can do before turning them over to a pro wrench for finishing such as stripping down and cleaning (many crappy hours in that!), and organising/chasing cosmetics such as plating.

I think the interior is definitely an area the home-guy can take on. It is possible to install most components yourself after getting a pro to upholster the items, and truly - home-guy can do the headliner, glue vinyl to A and B pillars, and install a prefab carpet kit. Upholstering the seats and squabs is the only thing you should definitely leave to a pro.

The "assembly" phase is one of those beautiful and cathartic things to take on If you're not in a rush, own a basic tool kit, and have some space; you can assemble a 911 out of pre-restored components with relatively little difficulty or help. Sure there is some tips and traps, but that's what these boards are for

On another note. It's interesting to see the difference in two AU 71T's. Andy has 'come out' on his purchase of a similar car this week and it is remarkably free of significant corrosion damage. This car has seen the same years, yet the difference in care is so apparent.

I hope this thread stirs up some interest for the owner...

[obrut]

Shame it's not a targa...

[Fishcop]

Shame it's not a targa...

The tongue is slowly being removed from ones' cheek these days... Value gaps are closing rapidly - have a look at the SWT values! And on the subject of AU targas, remember they were a 'one year only' model in RHD ('73 F series).

[obrut]

I have to talk up the targa's Fishie, I'm restoring one! Aussie delivered of course...

I think I have nearly talked a mate into a targa SC/3.2 Carrera mild hot rod build, with me in art director role. All the fun, none of the bills.

Ps. Drove AB's new purchase today - MUCH better in the flesh than advertised.

[Fishcop]

I have to talk up the targa's Fishie, I'm restoring one! Aussie delivered of course...

I think I have nearly talked a mate into a targa SC/3.2 Carrera mild hot rod build, with me in art director role. All the fun, none of the bills.

Ps. Drove AB's new purchase today - MUCH better in the flesh than advertised.

Yep you won't hear me poo-poo a targa...

I came away after doing that PPI for Andy a little shocked. It's a bit of gem. If he can locate the original engine (which isn't beyond the realms of possibility being an original AU car) it could be a little lotto win . Even without the original engine there is a lot going for the car as a simple weekend cruiser with some crafty engine backdating.

[dsteel]

HI,

Is this car still available?

Cheers

[CamBiscuit]

Too late mate, it sold and is being restored in Melbourne