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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Beck View Post
    I always chuckle when I hear that statement. ANY race car driven at its limits is never "easier" to drive.
    Frank,
    We are normal guys. We did not post a lap time at the 24 Hour of Daytona faster than the "pro" driver (J. Pace, a former 24 Hour winner).

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Beck View Post
    And the "cost less" part is... well... I don't even know what to say to that. A full tilt 2.5 motor is 55k+.
    Few of us have $55 Grand for a 2.5L twin-plug engine that will last maybe one year.

    We need to talk about new guys that may just have an extra $30K-$40K to get a car on the track. Hopefully, we can help them move forward on a reasonable budget while income tax rates are climbing higher and higher.

    If someone wants to beat you or Juan, I'd tell them to: "Forget it; it can't be done. Move quickly to a different class".
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    Forget Daytona! You've partied with Cher! Before she was a has-been!


    Racing: It's the same old dilemma, just as Juan alluded to. When someone brings their $40k car out and finishes in the back, that high lasts for... maybe one race. Then they quickly realize that to even place in the top half they need to spend another 25k, AND drive better. And so it goes until they spend 100k+ on their equipment and they STILL can't beat the top guys. And they never will. Then they get burned out.

    I really think GT3 is the future. Except for tires, it's cheap racing, and the only real advantage is set-up and driver ability.

    BTW: Our little motors time out at 20-25 hours. I WISH we could get all season out of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Beck View Post
    It's the same old dilemma, just as Juan alluded to. When someone brings their $40k car out and finishes in the back, that high lasts for... maybe one race.
    Frank,
    First, no one should ever hope but to finish last on their first race. The first race is all about just seeing the final checkered flag.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Beck View Post
    Then they quickly realize that to even place in the top half they need to spend another 25k, AND drive better. And so it goes until they spend 100k+ on their equipment and they STILL can't beat the top guys. And they never will.
    Frank,
    We know that it will take at least another $125K in the car and another $100K in track time to even stay with you.

    But not everyone should set this as a goal. There is a lot of fun in racing guys in the mid-pack cars. We have fun swapping positions well behind your car. We love the sport. It should be more about participating and having fun.

    I've won a lot of trophies, but the best one that I was awarded was the 2010 Walter Mitty Award. That one was special.

    I'll share the secret handshake with the 2014 Winner.

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    You guys are turning this into a great thread. Thanks much for that!!!

    Thanks for the compliments Doc. I learned years ago what Frank says, it takes a lot of money and it also takes something that money can't buy. Some call it talent but i call it talent and commitment. It is 5ish in the morning and I'm here pedaling away as part of my morning routine for race prep. Hopefully to remove or minimize the impact of another variable on the equation.

    A good car with great prep will be fast. A better car more so but all of that without a good jockey will not get you far. Thus an improvement to our (at a minimum) ability to stay focused and take advantage and apply nuances of track and car in general is what will get you the last tenths. Something that Frank is very good at! But in the end, it takes money to go fast legally, illegally I'm sure its much easier.

    Frank, i wish i could share a photo of the exterior. The graphics and colors are so far a surprise to me. I have provided my ideas and rough sketches which are being considered by the artist. Body is ready for their application.

    This is how it looked like when I got it. It is an 08 Grand Am spec ex Steve Johnson. Let's see how steep is the learning curve.

    I agree with Frank that these are the future. Problem i see is the constant carnage at PCA events.
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    BTW, I hope one day I get the Mitty trophy so I can be a part of the secret handshake club!

    My name is on the Amoco Trophy and on the Klub Sport "Cup"!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErVikingo View Post

    I agree with Frank that these are the future. Problem i see is the constant carnage at PCA events.
    And that's EXACTLY why it should work in vintage venues! Where else will Cup guys be able to run where it's super competitive but very clean racing?

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    Yes sir. I'm doing PCA at New Orleans in May. Hope I don't regret it.

    We will have fun at Road Atlanta. I have very little time on the car (a test session at night at PBIR). It takes some getting used to. The hardest for me so far is slow speed driving where there is a lot of "bucking". I asked Brady to try to minimize it via tuning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErVikingo View Post
    Some call it talent but i call it talent and commitment.
    Juan,
    I agree. You and Frank are really fast.

    However, I have neither the talent or the commitment. Just saying.

    If I was building a 1967 SWB Porsche for Vintage, I'd go with the simple white replica #59 livery driven by Peter Gregg and Sam Posey. It was a beautiful car when it won two U-2 races in a row in the 1967 SCCA Trans-Am races.

    There are great pictures of the #59 in "Trans-Am" by Dave Friedman.

    I'd build one if you have a nice SWB project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vintage Racer View Post
    Juan,
    I agree. You and Frank are really fast.

    However, I have neither the talent or the commitment. Just saying.

    I'd build one if you have a nice SWB project.
    Come on..... Doc. Yes you are, you just dont have one of those Jericho's in your car. Hold on, were those used back in the day

    Good choice BUT I sold my SWB. It is going to be a super cool car. Can't wait to get updates on what the new owner is doing with it.
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    GT3 Cup Car Throw down.

    The new steed.


    No more disclaimers Juan.
    It's time to dance.
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