1973 Carrera RS Cars for Sale

[210bhp]

Looks like a different engine.


Regards
Mike

[BOYER73S]

Looks like a different engine bay one has deadener one does not

[210bhp]

Different fasteners on the electrical panel cover. Mystery of the disappearing shell sticker.
Definitely something funny going on for 1.1 million.

Regards
Mike

[210bhp]

The complete interior refurbishment of the Steve MQueen Le Mans 2.2 S comes to mind.

Why sit where McQeen sat when you can sit on brand new leather instead.....


Regards
Mike

[NZVW]

RE post 1678, Not the same engine.
Heater hose missing LHS , MFI pre heater hose missing, Fuel pump hoses, Coil and coil strap, stickers as mentioned, All manner of DODGE going on with this one I suspect.
At least the sticker on the rear window is the same so that should ease a purchaser's mind somewhat.

[HughH]

just to add to the engine photos he is one I have on file for that car from when it was in Belgium in I think about 2015

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[911MRP]

Thanks Hugh/all,

Interesting to see the evolution.

It is almost a mini case study in the pros and cons of restoration

I will be honest while I can be zealous on correctness to spec I do flip flop on pros and cons restoration because things wear out but see how it destroys patina and history vs looks nice all gussied up and maybe attracts a premium.

I know it's an old chestnut....

On this set of three images of the car shown above it flips me back to it being OK for classic cars to look a used but nicely authentic. U-Turn is possible when I see a very correctly restored all gussied up thing

Not really -- generally the persuit of a false idea of what was thought to perfection is maybe where it tips into negative.

It rather begs the question what is the RS engine bay reference? The large format brochure of 72/3 of a series car with MFI is sometimes used. Albeit that one in brochure might've been prepped for marketing material photography -- e.g. missing parts. Usefully it (although not RS) it can be seen on some decent scale and high quality but the presentation looks a bit staged and likley hadn't likey turned a wheel much on road Occasionally engine bay or separate engines are glimpsed on the line from factory tour snaps, but usually it is hard to see detail so not really a reference for a finished known vin car on road; especially since all cars had a little factory road-test so had some use pre delivery.

These pictures below are of a first series RS from first 100, the car was built in 1972 rhd.

The first picture is definitely from early in year 73. What is known from writings the time of picture can be dated quite precisely. The car is noted as the first example arriving in UK on the first week of January 73. (Coincidentally the RS I now own arrived with the same importer in Jan 1973 too but not established from my documents if they were in same shipment or it arrived shortly thereafter same month-- but working on establishing that). Few if any road-miles under the wheels of one when pictured, it was new enough to be in the process of "running in" and the tester, the incomparable Jenks, was under strict instruction to not exceed 5000 rpm. As such this particular image is probably among the best real world references to first series RS engine bay. A reference in a practical sense when a known example was almost new and so recently on the road -- useful if we need to know what RS looked like when fresh on road? Pity the original image not bigger or better quality, but it's not too bad for something over 45 years old:
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Pleasingly for continuity, the second picture is same car by April or very early May 73 in a different magazine. Photographs after several months road-testing miles show some changes already at just a few months old. Hard miles at hands of journalists in UK late winter and early spring and maybe one use on the national prodsports championship where (along with a subsequent m471 which wasn't delivered until later) cleaned up on track in the skilled the hands of Nick Faure. By then the car had evidently been serviced by porsche cars Great Britain/AFN judging by the now black oil filter rather than the red Purolator or Knecht. So oil filter Purolator reference didn't remain long soon being a different brand? With spring weather the warmup trunking has been eliminated compared the complete system of earlier.
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Both photos together probably, but particularly the first image show that what we see sometimes now as someones ideal RS is often too "gussied up" these days A general sense sometimes when restored exampLes are seen. Other times specific things like over prepared fans and fan surround that some favour being just one case in point over what we see in 73. Same car on July not terribly instructive being black and white but included to show it circa 6 months old


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This post is more about a general look that I'm trying to share based on my old references, more so than zeroing on each detail. It is hard even in such a nearly new car not to focus in on jarring details / questions such as shell sticker absence for example or is that a wonky clip?

But those details in context of finding an overall pretty original reference maybe less relavant from this particular first image than its usefulness about what these RS engine bays lookd like nearly new, maybe?

There are obviously differences from across the three RS series, the running changes, conversions, customer options etc etc. But sharing the pictures not for that reason. More useful maybe is the fact these two are certifiably from early 73 so give one baseline on a nearly new condition RS from 72 and it after a few months of road and minor track use.

Helpful In that sense of somehow "feeling right" Vs that "hmm overdone feeling" that came up in the immediate reaction of posts about the engine bay of one being offered for sale in France and others that at times have drawn similar comment over the thousands of posts in thread. The gut reaction at first sight fixture -- sometimes hard to put in words.

Hopefully useful images as one pragmatic exemplar -- a single case illustrative of its place early in the first series of RS maybe, not spec of later ones granted.

As an overall reference no doubt some might find it unacceptable and a scruffy thing. Would be amusing if cheekily it was presented as being a restored car today without revealing that picture one is in reality a still being run in just weeks' old factory RS importer press car 72 example from January of 73.

Index those circumstances I would for one would probaly jump on the lack of shell sticker on airbox-- curious why my example that was built only slightly later in 72 has a patinated part-faded sticker; so why did this very early one in first 100 not get one? Was the shell sticker something that came in after a certain number vin, was factory sticker man having a long lunch beer in the factory canteen that day or did it disappear almost day one removed by technician or magazine employee not wanting to promote Shell in his pages for free perhaps?

Hard to stay out of each intriguing detail rather than using it/ them to just get that overall sense of an RS engine bay when model was nearly new from a known example we know was definitely pictured early in 73

This is a LHD m471 in February 73 for comparison early car too in Germany (incidentally has an airbox sticker). Unfortunatly hard to penetrate detail of some deep black areas of this picture:
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Anyone else have a good quality ( ideally colour) picture that is verifiably brand new or very nearly new complete engine bay of an RS taken back in 72/3 beyond these ones and the very well known luxury brochure shot of that era (which Iirc isn't an RS)?

[DOUGS73E]

As mentioned above, the 1973 Large Format 911 Brochure (non-RS) engine photo. I don't think there was much engine prep for a photo other than removing the air cleaner housing. The cooling fan sure does not look meticulously prepared the way I see many contemporary restored engines. The engine photo is too large to fit my scanner with one pass.

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[911MRP]

Thanks Doug, hadn't looked at my copy in a while, it is probably the clearest sharpest engine photo of circa 72/3. Tantalisingly close to seeing date code on that Phoenix belt !

Pictured example -- bench fresh. This photo is from a factory tour in early 70s (72?) posted by someone else. Marked USA. Not an RS obviously but gives a different angle than under lid view. Paperwork tucked in at top? Not sure this or the one from the luxury brochure are as instructive in how they should look installed in engine bay an RS vs the ones I posted of nearly new but used cars from road tests in 73 despite them being less clear reproductions from magazines. They all together do however help with the finish of components and fittings allowing for the influence of colour tone from photography in that 70s era.

I know little about photography but era 60-70 seems to have a certain colour tone that is characteristic but maybe different to real life or what we see in digital era.

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[DOUGS73E]

Some of the Previous Posts:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...382#post249785
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...382#post882732
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...382#post917842
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...382#post917840
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RM|Sotheby's Monterey Auction, August 24-25, 2018
1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RSH 2.7
VIN: 9113601382
Engine: 6331355
Trans: 7831355
Color: Light Ivory/Black
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: -
Sold for: US$1,380,000

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Auction Description:

Matching-numbers example of one of Porsche’s most desirable road cars
One of just 17 “Homologation” Carrera RS 2.7s
Correct and original aluminum-case engine per factory documentation
Concours-quality restoration by marque experts
Known and notable ownership history

According to its factory build sheet, this stunning Light Ivory over black third-series RSH was completed in May 1973 (production no.1037933) and delivered to Ben Pon’s Automobielhandel BV distributorship in Amersfoort, Holland, on 1 June. Pon, who enjoyed a long working relationship with Hermosa Beach, California, Porsche dealer Vasek Polak, shipped the car to Los Angeles. Polak sold this RS to a customer in Texas, who reportedly defaulted on the purchase loan, after which the bank repossessed the car. It soon found a new owner in John Paul Sr., who retained the car for some time, with his son, John Paul Jr., entering it in autocrosses. It was also raced a few times.

The Carrera’s next owner was the late Tom Anderson, owner of Carrera Motors, a Porsche dealership in Bend, Oregon. Anderson traded the car to noted Portland, Oregon, racer and auto dealer Monte Shelton in exchange for a 934. Around 1985, Shelton sold this RSH to another Oregon Porsche collector and racer, Mark Heininge, who embarked on a full restoration. Heininge says the car was in excellent, rust-free condition with its original lighting units, including Bosch H1 dual-bulb headlights. It also retained its thinner Glaverbel rear quarter glass.

Because the engine in this car is stamped with the prefix 633 rather than the 663 normally assigned to the RS, Heininge suspected a factory stamping error, since the engine series number (1355) corresponded properly with the RS 2.7 production run. A lengthy exchange with the factory ensued, with Porsche’s Olaf Lang agreeing that a mistake must have been made when the engine was built. However, a homologation document emerged dated 5 May 1973, and it indicated otherwise. Based on that documentation, the factory changed the engine case material from magnesium to aluminum alloy late in the production run, prompting a change in the part number prefix. A copy of the FIA acceptance document, dated May of 1973, is included with this car.

Heininge says a previous owner had installed wider but incorrect ST 2.5-style flares to both the front fenders and rear quarters. To rectify the problem, expert restorer and fabricator Nate Cantwell from Connecticut recreated the car’s original wheel openings and flares. Rather than replace the front fenders, as they were original to the car, Cantwell used only the flare portions of the new fenders and butt-welded them to the original fenders. Likewise, a pair of OEM rear-quarter RS flares were meticulously butt-welded to the factory quarter panels. The bodywork became indistinguishable from new. The steel tub along with the fiberglass bumpers and engine cover were carefully stripped and repainted in the car’s original Light Ivory paint by Jim Nichols. Heininge commissioned a new headliner and lightweight carpet set and also acquired a rare NOS roll bar directly from Porsche.

Heininge says the car’s mechanicals were in great condition at the time of his purchase, but some freshening was carried out by Jeff Gamroth at Rothsport in Sherwood, Oregon, and Pat Hartmann at Hartmann Motors in Portland, Oregon. The original Fuchs alloy wheels, 7-in. wide in front and 8-in. in the rear, were properly refinished. The car also wears its correct lightweight black vinyl door cards and leather door release straps, and the glovebox door has been deleted, as on other factory Lightweights. In lieu of the usual cast metal Porsche hood badge, a simple Porsche decal appears.

Heininge enjoyed the car until 1995, entering it in the 40th Annual Porsche Parade in Portland where it starred in the Concours Historic Display. Seattle collector John McCaw purchased the Carrera and sent it to Bruce Canepa in Scotts Valley, California. There, this RSH was again comprehensively restored cosmetically and mechanically at considerable expense, as detailed in accompanying invoices. A new fuel cell was installed within the factory gas tank shell, as original units are no longer available.

The consignor then acquired chassis 1382 and sent it to Phil Bagley at Klub Sport Racing in Riviera Beach, Florida, for freshening in 2016. A number of detail items were returned to original specification, including the chain tensioners, exhaust system, and some chassis and engine hardware. The car is supplied with its correct collapsible spare tire, tools, air compressor, jack, manuals, Certificate of Authenticity, and a large folio of invoices, registration records, and factory correspondence.