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  1. #161
    Here's something I found interesting (especially in light of typ901's post on this thread on 7/21).

    I recently acquired a second, early-65 variety toolkit. When I say "early-65 variety", I'm referring to the earliest 911 toolkits characterized by the 12mm spark plug wrench, 12mm allen key, and the 356-style tabbed clasp bag. Both this recently acquired toolkit, as well as the kit I already owned, have excellent provenance and can be traced directly back to their original cars and owners. My original kit came to with my 1965 911 (VIN 301100) which had been off the road since 1974. The car was acquired from the widow of the original owner in 2013 with the complete toolkit still in the trunk.

    This latest toolkit was originally delivered with a low 3-digit VIN '65 911 that I've been chasing for the better part of a year. The car has been tied up in a family dispute for years and I've been working with the sister of the original owner to get the car bought. During a recent visit, she mentioned that she had some original parts for the car and asked if I'd be interested in seeing them. Turns out, by "original parts" she meant original tools and after a quick walk outside she returned with a complete and beautiful early '65 toolkit that had been sitting in a cupboard in her garage since her brother had left for the Vietnam War in 1968.

    Long story short, I have every reason to believe both of these early '65 kits are original as delivered from the dealer.

    What's interesting (to me at least) is that the toolkits are identical in every way. EXCEPT, that is, in regard to the 12mm allen key. In the photos below, the first 12mm wrench and key are from my personal '65 car, As you can see, the allen is marked "DIN 911 SW12 KLEIN".

    The second set is from the earlier kit I just acquired. The spark plug wrench is identical but the 12mm allen for this kit is marked "DIN 911 12 SW"

    No idea what this means exactly but I suspect there are at least two different varieties of this hard-to-find 12mm allen key. Comments (pro, con, don't care) welcome, obviously.

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  2. #162
    Cool and interesting information ! I, for one, am always interested in "Allen" wrenches . DIN, Deutsches Institut für Normung, is the European (German) standard used for many things including tools. I think, in fact, here the "911" may just be a coincidence for the standard for a hex, "Allen" wrench. The one not marked Klein may have come from another manufacturer or, perhaps, Klein changed their production stamping as we know they did from time to time. A very technically minded member may be able to give us the DIN standard for hex wrenches and I bet we can figure out, then, if the "911" here is unique for Porsche, or not. I suspect not. Thanks !

    -Allen-
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    Allen, you're right on the money. From Wikipedia...
    Hex keys are measured across-flats (AF), which is the distance between two opposite (parallel) flat sides of the key. Standard metric sizes are defined in ISO 2936:2001 "Assembly tools for screws and nuts—Hexagon socket screw keys", also known as DIN 911, and, measured in millimeters (mm) are:

    0.7, 0.9, 1.0, 1.25, 1.3, 1.5
    2 to 6 in 0.5 mm increments
    M2 to M6 in 0.5 mm increments (see below for M1, M2 style designation).
    7 to 22 in 1 mm increments
    24, 25, 27, 30, 32, 36, 42 and 46 mm.

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    19mm LWB tapered end Lug Wrench

    Tool Cognoscenti... I haven't seen much discussion regarding 19mm tapered-end LWB lug wrenches. I have what I believe to be a correct tapered end lug wrench; however, I have another which has a slightly different angle. Which is correct?

    Thanks,

    Scott

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    All I can say is that it is on offer by a very knowledgeable member of this community, who generally knows his stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Simmeth View Post
    All I can say is that it is on offer by a very knowledgeable member of this community, who generally knows his stuff.
    Thanks Bill. I figured that out myself with a bit more reading. Disregard.

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    70-72 screw driver, only for info

    had been in the garage and had two very original looking tool bags in my hand today.

    8/71 US: both screw driver have light red handles and an 10000 Volt (1. Line), German Foreign Import (2.Line) engraving, Haupa No.30 additional on tip screwdriver
    1/72 Deutsch: tip: light red: P-B Garantie P-B, swiss made, P-B N 100, Chrom-Vanadium, phillips:dark red handle Made in Germany, 10000V (all in one line)

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    DIN Wrenches

    Fun with tools guys !

    Time to throw a monkey wrench in the werks Back in 2014 "helosixx" in post #12, showed photos of an "original kit" with DIN wrenches. At the time I was totally dismissive of these wrenches since I'd never seen them in a kit. But, perhaps? The last photo of three here is taken from the new RS Book by Drs. Gruber and Konradsheim and cleary shows the same DIN wrenches with the accepted reversible screwdriver and other tools of the RS kit. I believe I saw this same photo in the first RS book too? I don't know from where the authors took this photo. Does anyone know? Although very rare, it may well be that some late 1972 and 1973 kits came with DIN wrenches. Input? Examples?

    BTW I'm not suggesting this photo changes what we've come to accept as an authentic RS tool kit as shown several times in this thread. Rather, at least for the DIN wrenches they may have appeared in a few kits. As for the painted pliers, very hard to accept those in any early 911 kit ! Thanks.

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    Allen- very interesting. Something else in that photo jumps out... The pliers. They don't look like what I've seen in LWB kits, do they?

    Scott
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Henderson View Post
    Fun with tools guys !

    Time to throw a monkey wrench in the werks Back in 2014 "helosixx" in post #12, showed photos of an "original kit" with DIN wrenches. At the time I was totally dismissive of these wrenches since I'd never seen them in a kit. But, perhaps?, live and learn. The last photo of three here is taken from the new RS Book by Drs. Gruber and Konradsheim and cleary shows the same DIN wrenches with the accepted reversible screwdriver) and other tools of the RS kit. I believe I saw this same photo in the first RS book too? I don't know from where the authors took this photo. Does anyone know? In any case, although very rare, it may well be that some late 1972 and 1973 kits came with DIN wrenches. Input? Examples? Thanks !

    -Allen-
    I think they might have run out of tools that day at the factory, so Jurgen yelled to Helmut to run down to the local flaps, PäP Boys "Manfred, Max and Jakob" to pick up a few sets of wrenches to fill out the kits......

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