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  1. #91
    Hi All,

    All the positive energy; I love the enthusiasm, very cool! Who ever said “this would be a wild ride” was a bit of an understatement.

    I'm just a regular guy paying the bills during the day and playing with my hobbies in the evening. It may take a little more time for me to share some of the great history of 005 with E911s. In addition, with such knowledgeable folks on E911s, I would be remiss in putting out incomplete or inaccurate information.

    300 005 was born on 21 September 1964 in a signal red coat with black pepita interior. I don’t have all the details on this 51 year old red head quite yet, but I can share some of its storied history with you. This history I know is accurate because I was there.

    It all begun in 1976 or 1977 working at my brother’s service station, pumping gas, washing windows, checking oil and servicing customers cars. It was still a great time for American muscle cars, GTO’s, Cuda’s , Superbirds, Camaros, Mustangs, AMX you get the picture. All great cars. In the Midwest, exotics were pretty rare. Ferrari’s, Porsche’s, and Mercedes were uncommon, at least in my neighborhood. One day working at the Station, a 911 coupe pulled in for full service gas. It was the first time I had been up close and personal with a 911. The air cooled engine sounded pitched and precise, meaningful. The line of the door blending seamlessly into the rear quarter panel and then falling away. The hood profile, low and smooth. Glorious. I remember being ever so careful not to spill any fuel on the fender. The windows were spotless so I ask to check the oil. He said “its fine.” I insisted, “The only way to know for sure is to take a look, just take a second.” But he said” I have a gauge and its fine I’m sure.” I finished with the fuel. Before he left I ask “can I just look at the engine?” He said he was in a hurry and would stop by again. The 911 coupe pulled away and I was hooked.

    The next day I went to the Porsche dealer, Concours Motors, to get a brochure. While inside I saw a poster on the wall. It was a 1973 RSR Carrera. There it was my dream car of all time. Next step, get a poster for my room and start saving.

    Fast forward 8 years. Still working at service stations, but now pushing my way through college. Every weekend I would pour over the classifieds in the newspaper looking for a 911 on a budget. Then I saw it. “Porsche 911 red $11000. Way way way over budget, but let’s take a look. Can always negotiate, right?

    When I first saw the car it was over. Had to have it. It looked like a turbo, but wasn't. It looked sort of like the poster but defiantly not an RSR. To me it was perfect. None of the gauges worked. Didn't matter. The seller would only let me ride in it, not drive it. Didn't matter. Couldn't afford it. Didn't matter. The title was a little unusual. Didn't matter. I called in every marker I had, called every friendly relative I knew (mom) and went into debt.

    I started working two jobs, while going to school and could not have been more excited………..till

    Well, more to come if you’re interested.

    I am also on the trail of some truly interesting stories from the first 20 years. If they turn out to be true, it will be a lot of fun.
    For me it’s about the experience with the car. Does everybody remember their first ride in a Porsche? Their first drive? The first one they bought? The sound of the engine in the cabin, the experience of a road trip, autocross, road rally? The first time you really hung it out there and said”Ohshit?” I do. Like it was yesterday.

    The tales of the men behind the wheel and their experiences is what I will try to uncover with 300 005. How long did it live in Germany? When did it come to the states? Who put those flares on? And why?

    I’ll do the best I can on the kardex. I really want to understand this document and the other technical information.

    Below are some bits;

    -The first picture is of the inside of the gloovebox lid of 005. The unique feature in 1964 is 4 access holes for securing the wood fascia. In 65 there are 6. 2 additional for mounting the 911 script.

    -The next pic is of the top of door frame of 005. Two screws were used in 64. 1965 and beyond used three.

    -The next pic is of the “Delivery date from factory” and “Date delivered to buyer” looks like one day in between. But notice the dates are backwards and the “?” Seems 005 was delivered before it was produced. Nice trick. Also, according to Jurgen Lewandowski the first deliveries occurred November 16-17 to the dealer organization in Zuffenhausen. Looks like 005 got out early!

    -The fourth pic is of the upholstery type – “Black Pepita”

    -May 1985 – 300 005 with a loose nut behind the wheel

    Going Bananas

    More to come! Enjoy the ride,

    Jay
    300 005
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    Interesting stuff, car look great in the pick above!
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    Best first post ever. Or one of the best, for sure. Interesting the attention it has gotten and pulled in "new guys." Five single digit posters on the previous page alone. This will be a great story to follow. Hiding in plain sight with a long term owner, love it. I'll bet the OP has already had quite a ride since his first post and lots more to come. Looking forward to updates.
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  4. #94

    I"ve been trying to post. Having issues

    Hello,

    All the positive energy; I love the enthusiasm, very cool! Who ever said “this would be a wild ride” was a bit of an understatement.

    I'm just a regular guy paying the bills during the day and playing with my hobbies in the evening. It may take a little more time for me to share some of the great history of 005 with E911s. In addition, with such knowledgeable folks on E911s, I would be remiss in putting out incomplete or inaccurate information

    300 005 was born on 21 September 1964 in a signal red coat with black pepita interior. I don’t have all the details on this 51 year old red head quite yet, but I can share some of its storied history with you. This history I know is accurate because I was there.

    It all begun in 1976 or 1977 working at my brother’s service station, pumping gas, washing windows, checking oil and servicing customers cars. It was still a great time for American muscle cars, GTO’s, Cuda’s , Superbirds, Camaros, Mustangs, AMX you get the picture. All great cars. In the Midwest, exotics were pretty rare. Ferrari’s, Porsche’s, and Mercedes were uncommon, at least in my neighborhood. One day working at the Station, a 911 coupe pulled in for full service gas. It was the first time I had been up close and personal with a 911. The air cooled engine sounded pitched and precise, meaningful. The line of the door blending seamlessly into the rear quarter panel and then falling away. The hood profile, low and smooth. Glorious. I remember being ever so careful not to spill any fuel on the fender. The windows were spotless so I ask to check the oil. He said “its fine.” I insisted, “The only way to know for sure is to take a look, just take a second.” But he said” I have a gauge and its fine I’m sure.” I finished with the fuel. Before he left I ask “can I just look at the engine?” He said he was in a hurry and would stop by again. The 911coupe pulled away and I was hooked.

    The next day I went to the Porsche dealer, Concours Motors, to get a brochure. While inside I saw a poster on the wall. It was a 1973 RSR Carrera. There it was my dream car of all time. Next step, get a poster for my room and start saving.

    Fast forward 8 years. Still working at service stations, but now pushing my way through college. Every weekend I would pour over the classifieds in the newspaper looking for a 911 on a budget. Then I saw it. “Porsche 911 red $11000. Way way way over budget, but let’s take a look. Can always negotiate, right?

    When I first saw the car it was over. Had to have it. It looked like a turbo, but wasn't. It looked sort of like the poster but defiantly not an RSR. To me it was perfect. None of the gauges worked. Didn’t matter. The seller would only let me ride in it, not drive it. Didn’t matter. Couldn't afford it. Didn't matter. The title was a little unusual. Didn't matter. I called in every marker I had, called every friendly relative I knew (mom) and went into debt.

    I started working two jobs, while going to school and could not have been more excited………..till

    Well, more to come if you’re interested.

    I am also on the trail of some truly interesting stories from the first 20 years. If they turn out to be true, it will be a lot of fun.

    For me it’s about the experience with the car. Does everybody remember their first ride in a Porsche? Their first drive? The first one they bought? The sound of the engine in the cabin, the experience of a road trip, autocross, road rally? The first time you really hung it out there and said”Ohshit?” I do. Like it was yesterday.

    The tales of the men behind the wheel and their experiences is what I will try to uncover with 300 005. How long did it live in Germany? When did it come to the states? Who put those flares on? And why?

    I’ll do the best I can on the kardex. I really want to understand this document and the other technical information.

    Below are some bits;

    -The first picture is of the inside of the gloovebox lid of 005. The unique feature in 1964 is 4 access holes for securing the wood fascia. In 65 there are 6. 2 additional for mounting the 911 script.

    -The next pic is of the top of door frame of 005. Two screws were used in 64. 1965 and beyond used three.

    -The next pic is of the “Delivery date from factory” and “Date delivered to buyer” looks like one day in between. But notice the dates are backwards and the “?” Seems 005 was delivered before it was produced. Nice trick. Also, according to Jurgen Lewandowski the first deliveries occurred November 16-17 to the dealer organization in Zuffenhausen. Looks like 005 got out early!

    -The fourth pic is of the upholstery type – “Black Pepita”

    -May 1985 – 300 005 with a loose nut behind the wheel

    Going Bananas

    More to come! Enjoy the ride,
    Jay
    300 005
    Attached Images Attached Images      

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    I've been trying to post with pics for a few days now. Can a webmaster PM.

    Very frustrating. This is QR. lets see if this works

  6. #96
    Jay-

    That is the BEST story I have ever heard. I am SO happy for you!

    On prior stories where the unknowing owner got the car "stolen" out from them for not knowing what it was worth, and people congratulated themselves over the "great deal" I would always post in anger that the owner should have been informed of what he had, if the buyer truly knew it. That wasn't a popular perspective I had.

    But here, I just feel so great that your passion and commitment led to such a great result for you, independent of all the great times you had.

    You are truly deserving.

    What a great story and memory that you will always have.

  7. #97
    It is one of the top Porsche stories I have heard as well. Good luck! I used to love hanging out at real service stations as a kid. What a story.
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  8. #98
    You can't buy memories like this.

    I know a guy who has any car he wants basically, including a GTO.

    But the car that always lights him up was the first new car he bought, which he has always kept, his 1967 911S targa. Memories are priceless.

  9. #99
    Amazing story Jay. It reads like a gearhead romance novel!

    Not knowing the history/value of the car and being a college kid, I'm guessing Jay "exercised" 300005 regularly and within an inch of it's life!

    Also, a SWB car with a 2.7CIS motor was a hotrod compared to American cars built in the early 80's.

  10. #100
    But back then, given its modifications, what would it have been worth even if people knew its serial number?


    Quote Originally Posted by Shoooo32 View Post
    Amazing story Jay. It reads like a gearhead romance novel!

    Not knowing the history/value of the car and being a college kid, I'm guessing Jay "exercised" 300005 regularly and within an inch of it's life!

    Also, a SWB car with a 2.7CIS motor was a hotrod compared to American cars built in the early 80's.

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