info on 304769
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...l=1#post882335
info on 304769
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...l=1#post882335
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They sure do run with the RS verbage in the Mecum auction description. Going from a deluxe trimmed car and the seller tries to make it a RS prototype, which would not make sense anyway as a 911RS was a car that was stripped down for performance and was in no way Deluxe in trim. Looks like the car in Mecum has long wheel base front fenders and rear LWB flares and possibly a engine enhancement so they make up more story that Porsche took a 66, then made it deluxe, added flares, then added an S motor? Wait, that would be a 67 911S and not this car, well minus the flares. I think the flares are on this car because it did not make it through the 80s very well and it gave the seller more nonsense to go with.Originally Posted by davep
The way I see a Deluxe model 911 is the beginning of price tiering of the 911 model. All of the first cars were the same for the most part, they did not sell very fast due to price, Porsche scrambled to make a more affordable model: 912, 911 normal, 911 Deluxe, 911S would be the variant line up. The 911E fit the bill eventually as the car I think they initially designed - the S had improvements, the T had subtractions. People realized by 1969 that the 911 was worth the added cost, the 912 was dropped as 911 sales took off. Porsche was still finding its way during the thought process of the Deluxe, the 911S was the top car for 1967 no doubt. The Deluxe was the fancy trim car with no power - same as the 911L.
Re. Mark Allen's post above,
A translation of the written, hard to read!, German on the subject, especially the options section, "Mecam deLuxe" Kardex would be appreciated. Thanks
-Allen-
If the Bulletin mystery has not been solved, I have all but 3 of the 1966 Bulletins, out of 39 total.
There are actually two "13/66" factory bulletins, one is F 13/66 (F for Fahrgestell) and one is M 13/66 (M for Motor und Kupplung). Neither have anything to do with this subject.
I can post more information if this has not already been cleared up.
Jon B.
Vista, CA
I think R.S. does not stand for 'Rundschreiben'. 'Rundschreiben' is a single word, R.S. is an abreviation for two words. In German you would abreviate this to 'R.' or maybe 'Rs.' Some of these have a dash in between: 'R.-S.' which points as well to two words. And in German you would the word 'Export' not abreviate to 'Ex', because the prefix 'ex' is used for many different other meanings, so 'Ex' is indefinite, we would more likely abreviate to 'Exp.'
Is it confirmed that all 253 cars have this remark in the Kardex?
Michael Moenstermann
Osnabrueck - Germany
Early 911S member #1052
'While accelerating the tears of emotion have to flow off horizontally to the ears.'
'Understeer is when you see the tree you are hitting, if you only hear the tree then it was oversteer'.
'You can't treat a car like a human being - a car needs love'. (all Walter Röhrl)
Great to see activity on this thread. Yes, 253 Kardex have been confirmed with the subject heading on the Kardex. Steve Heinrichs saw them all and counted them in the Porsche archives in ZUffenhasen (this is covered earlier in this thread). DeLuxes were NOT ONLY export cars, many were directly sold in Germany as indicated on Kardex.
However, no R.S. has never been confirmed as Rundschreiben. That is, so far, a theory. Part of the "theory" is that the so-called circular we are looking for is a "Sales" Rundschreiben. That is NOT circulars having to do with maintenace, technical changes etc. Rather one that went to distributors and/or dealers. Thanks !
-Allen-
Again, great to see input. Please see my reply nearby. We "think" we are talking about a "Sales Circular or Bulletin" not F, Fargestall (chassis) or M, Motor and Transmission but one from the Sales Department group of people in Stuttgart. I'd not heard of the F Bulletins so it gives me, at least, confidence there is a series of Rundschreiben from the "sales" group which would be referred to as the 13th of 1966. Here is one from an earlier post in this thread. They DO exist but we haven't found the one we want or a binder but you can see this example came from the standard four-ringed binder used at the factory. Thanks !
PS The Rundschreiben below surfaced because it had to do with some of the first 911 (901s). It is VERY interesting because it says even the very first 911s, made in late 1964, could be registered as 1966 Model Year cars ! Of course it is true (yes there were, perhaps, 100s of minor changes) but by and large the very first 901s were very similar to the Porsche 911s made until around July of 1966, when after the summer break, started the 1967 Model Year cars. Apparently Ford had set a precedent with the Mustang and Porsche followed suit.
-Allen-
Last edited by Allen Henderson; 09-01-2016 at 08:32 AM.
DeLuxe RSers,
Keep this thread alive, or trying to. This one didn't sell at auction at $170,000. Seems like all the money to me. Also, the Kardex (see post #273) doesn't show the sunroof? Thanks.
-Allen-
Update: the owner tells me it does say Golde (sunroof) on the Kardex. I do note some drain holes and they are, though, not the circa 1967 slots but the round holes down the trunk drip rails as in 1968 and later cars.
Last edited by Allen Henderson; 09-14-2017 at 04:18 PM.
Early on in this thread I once stated that the way the person wrote "R.S. Ex 13/66" is american style writing.. No German person ever would write like this, especially the numbers with an I for 1. It might explain why the appreviations are not typicially German style neither (I agree), so it does could explain why maybe it does mean Rundschreiben and export.
There are other documents showing that the term Rundschreiben did was in use.
Registry member No.773
Are you suggesting, then, a Non-German, came into the factory and wrote that at the top of 253 Kardex? Thanks.
-Allen-
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