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    Rs #1177

    Recently re-found this article about RS #1177.
    It´s from Finnish car magazine Moottori, issue Sept 2004.

    The article is written by a general motoring writer with no deeper Porsche knowledge.

    It says that #1177 has been specially built by Competition Dept for works driver Leo Kinnunen.
    Special details include RSR wheelarches and tea-tray rear spoiler. This type of spoiler was chosen because Kinnunen took part of testing and developing it.

    #1177 was delivered to Finland and driven by Kinnunen as a practice car for Rally of 1000 Lakes (in 1973 or 1974 presumably?).
    After the event it was returned to Germany. It has never been raced. It was imported back to Finland in 1988.

    The gentleman who owned #1177 in 2004 (and probably still does) is a well known Finnish car dealer/collector and historic racer.
    He had tried to buy the car since the late eighties and finally succeeded in buying it in 2001.

    The mileage at the time of writing was 57700 km


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    Reference . . .

    VIN = 9113601177

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    For crossreference, here is more..car seen this july.

    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...x-Leo-Kinnunen


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    Quote Originally Posted by LongRanger View Post
    Reference . . .

    VIN = 9113601177
    Sold at RM Sotheby's Monaco auction for $1,475,968 on 5/12/18...

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    9113601177

    Quote Originally Posted by rstrahota View Post
    . . . Sold at RM Sotheby's Monaco auction for $1,475,968 on 5/12/18 . . .
    '. . . The factory is known to have retained several Lightweights for later competition use. Among that already rarefied group, there are a few that stand out even more, including this wonderful example, serial number 1177, purchased by Porsche on behalf of Finnish racing legend Leo Kinnunen.

    Starting his racing career on two wheels rather than four, Kinnunen was quick to find success in motorsport in Finland in both autocross and ice racing. His big break came after testing a Porsche 917 at the Ӧsterreichring. Partnered with Pedro Rodriguez in the World Sportscar Championship, he stunned the world by taking the chequered flag at the 1970 24 Hours of Daytona, which led to the pair winning the overall championship that year. At the Targa Florio that same year, Kinnunen reset the lap record with a time of 33:36, shattering the previous record by some 90 seconds, a record that was never beaten.

    Mr Kinnunen was at that time racing a Porsche 917/10 Turbo in the Interserie, the European equivalent to the North American Can-Am Challenge series, a series that he would win three years in a row from 1971–1973. Kinnunen had proven himself to be not only a fearless prototype driver for John Wyer and Gulf, but he also enjoyed world-class rallying, a sport at which Finns have long demonstrated a natural ability. For the 1973 1000 Lakes Rally, Kinnunen wanted an agile and powerful car in which to pre-run the route, and perhaps also to practice ahead of the Targa Florio, where he shared a Porsche Carrera RSR 2.8 ‘Mary Stuart’ with Claude Haldi. This 2.7 RS was the perfect fit for the task, slightly more comfortable than his racing car but similar enough to provide a comparable experience behind the wheel.

    Delivered to the Hahn franchise in Fellbach, Germany, 1177 offered several unusual features; at Kinnunen’s request, it was fitted with larger ‘ST’-style wheel arches to accommodate wider wheels and tires. A second example was subsequently built for another factory driver, Herbert Linge, but Kinnunen’s was the only 2.7 RS with a ‘tea-tray’ rear spoiler as used on the 1974 Carrera 3.0 RS, rather than the modest burzel, or ducktail, typical of the 2.7 RS series. As befits such a competition-themed automobile, this RS was fitted with a limited-slip differential, a Matter alloy roll cage, a pair of deep Recaro cloth-covered rally seats with thumbscrew-adjustable backrests, Repa racing harnesses and black rubber floor mats. Kinnunen also specified a larger-than-normal steering wheel to allow better control on loose surfaces, and a raised passenger seat to improve navigator vision.

    Following the 1973 season, Kinnunen purchased the car from Porsche for his own, personal use and kept the car on dealer plates with his mechanic in Germany to avoid stinging import duties in Finland and presumably because having the car in Germany was convenient while Kinnunen was driving in the Interserie. This car eventually passed through the hands of several other Finnish enthusiasts before its current enthusiast owner, an individual with several other unique and interesting Porsches in his collection. It has been featured in several Finnish automotive magazines, including Mootori, Porsche Club Finland and Klassikot, as well as Porsche GT in English.

    Showing just 63,213 km at time of cataloguing, this unique Carrera retains much of its original Tangerine paint and its correct original M471 interior. A rear-quarter window still carries an original decal from Kinnunen’s AAW Racing Team. It is supplied with a folio of documents and photographs, including an extract from the factory build sheet, correspondence from Mr Kinnunen confirming his ownership, registration forms and some service records.

    Mr Kinnunen passed away a year ago, but his beautiful Carrera RS 2.7 Lightweight and his legacy remains with us today. Arguably one of the most significant and compelling 2.7 RS’ to come to market in recent memory, Kinnunen’s unique 2.7 RS would stand proudly in any world-class collection of sports and racing cars.

    The car comes with tool kit, jack and two sets of wheels, ST wheels fitted during the photoshoot, and original RS Lightweight wheels which can be fitted with spacers . . .
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    https://www.rmsothebys.com/en/auctio...rm=auctionpage



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    "Delivered to the Hahn franchise in Fellbach, Germany, 1177 offered several unusual features; at Kinnunen’s request, it was fitted with larger ‘ST’-style wheel arches to accommodate wider wheels and tires. "


    where was the modification made? In the center Hahn? any information about it?

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    VIN = 9113601177
    Eng# = 6631144
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    '. . . Chassis no. 911 360 1177 Engine no. 663 1144 Long before the likes of Kimi Räikkönen, Mika Häkkinen and Keke Rosberg cemented their status as world champions on grand prix racing's greatest stage, Leo Kinnunen was Formula 1's first racing driver from Finland. By the late 1960s, the young Finn was in his mid-20s and had already catapulted himself from a successful career in Finnish rallying and road-course circuits to racing a Porsche 908 in 1969 and accepting an offer to join John Wyer's Gulf-sponsored Porsche racing team. He won his debut race at the Daytona 24 Hours! Multiple victories followed with such illustrious co-drivers as Pedro Rodriguez, Brian Redman and the Swiss Jo Siffert, as the Gulf group ratcheted up victories at Brands Hatch, Monza, Watkins Glen and many others. In fact, Kinnunen even set a lap record at the Targa Florio in 1969 and not long thereafter, he was one of the drivers initially asked by Steve McQueen to partake in the filming of Le Mans – an opportunity that he turned down. While he raced countless cars, the association with Porsche was longstanding and by the early 1970s, he raced for the blue-and-white liveried Finnish AAW Racing Team as well in the Interserie Championships, behind the wheel of a 917K, then a 917/1, winning the championship in 1971, '72 and '73 – three years outright! It was during these dominant Interserie years that Kinnunen took delivery of this extraordinary 1973 Porsche Carrera RS Lightweight, which was built in April of that year, one month before he entered the Targa Florio in a Carrera RSR, coming in third overall. His street car, however, was built in advance of his participation in the 1000 Lakes Rally (now known as the Rally Finland), one of the preeminent events on the World Rally Championship, which was to take place in August and for which this car was used by Kinnunen for practice and route scouting. Previous correspondence with his daughter and on his behalf confirms the car was a “company” car during his racing days, which he personally acquired after one year of driving and kept registered in Germany thereafter, to avoid Finnish taxation regulations. Certainly, the delivery of a Carrera RS was more than a casual occurrence at Porsche, or any other manufacturer in 1973 for that matter… this was the fastest road-going 911 since the introduction of the model. A true homologation special, it was lightweight, brutally fast, and a remarkable step up from the 911S. Weighing in at less than 1,000 kg, the RS Lightweight was precisely the giant killer that Porsche needed on the endurance racing circuit. While homologation requirements mandated production of 500 units, the Carrera RS was so popular 1,580 examples were sold, of which only 200 were the ultra-desirable M471 lightweight specification. The car was certainly a unique specification – it sat higher and wore mudflaps in preparation for these “scouting” trips and, according to the extensive correspondence on file, the wider rear fenders were factory installed at some point in period while the large rear wing was a prototypical factory design commissioned on Kinnunen's request from the Porsche racing department, apparently with his extensive involvement on design. The “whale tail,” as the general shape is now frequently known of course, made its production appearance somewhat later and as such this is considered one of the earliest Porsche applications of this rear wing, if not the first 911 to be fitted with a 1974-rear spoiler. In fact, according to a 2013 magazine article in which the car was presented by then-owner Juha Liukkonen, with AAW's racing operations moving to Germany, Kinnunen was spending much more time at the Porsche factory precisely at a time when the racing department was preparing the RSR for the 1974 season. And so, being at the right place, at the right time, and with the right experience and influence from a prominent, highly successful Porsche racing driver, this street 2.7 Carrera RS was rendered a particularly unique example! Correspondence in the file also indicates the car was fitted not only with these RSR-style wheel arches, but also “RS lightweight” engine (approx. 235 horsepower, as it seems Kinnunen felt a full RSR motor was too much for road use) and brakes, Repa belts, Matter roll cage and an 80% locked differential, which was not typically available on the street cars and, while not all these features are listed on the build sheet, correspondence and inspection suggests this was done either at the racing department, in Weissach, or shortly thereafter. The “Blutorange” (Blood Orange) finish the car wears today is factory correct as well and remarkably original, in fact. It's perhaps safe to assume that very few Carrera RS clients were afforded such specific, bespoke upgrades, many of them from the RSR. CURRENT OWNERSHIP Following his acquisition of the car from either Gulf or AAW, Kinnunen owned the car for nearly a full decade, selling it in 1982 with about 32,000 kms, before the subsequent owner added an additional 24,000 kms. The third owner acquired it in 2001, after which the car was featured in several magazine articles. As presented, indicated mileage sits at 65,300 kilometers and the car has been driven very sparingly, residing in a prominent American collection of sports cars, in which it has received the most professional attention. After its acquisition, Speedsport Tuning in Danbury, CT conducted extensive service work throughout 2018, for which extensive receipts are on file, amounting to well over $30,000. Preeminent Porsche specialist Andy Prill made several recommendations in advance of this process, including an engine service and oil change, brake service and fluid change, fuel filter, engine heater hose replacement, sound insulation pad around the engine, fitment of new tires, draining and addressing the fuel system and testing of the electrical system, among other items. Speedsport addressed these matters in addition to several others, all with the aim of recommissioning the car for reliable road usage. It has been enjoyed sparingly since that time and maintained without regard for expense ensuring it is ready for the open road. INSPECTION, RARITY, AND ORIGINALITY In advance of its acquisition by the current collector, the car received a full inspection from Andy Prill, for which the report is available for review. In summary, he described the car as “largely original and unrestored. Opportunities to buy RS Lightweights in this condition are very rare. Most importantly, all of the numbers I could see are verifiably authentic and original with no signs that they have ever been tampered with. The only number that I could not get a good look at is the transmission and like most of these cars the number has been obscured by contact with the road surface. The type number looks correct so there is no reason to suspect that the transmission is not original to the car.” Regarding the cosmetic exterior condition, he stated “apart from the modifications and the new whale tail this car's body is in amazing original condition… the car has been repainted but this was just the outside.” He continued, “the door top buffers are still present which is another good indication of originality and the car still has its original door seals. As you would expect they are old and perished a little but it is incredibly rare to see these seals that are not available new and have not been for a very long time.” In fact, even the sill threshold plates have never been removed and still retain the original white plastic rivets. As for the engine, his review was equally praiseworthy, referring to it as appearing “totally original” and “unlike 80% of these cars it also has retained the original cam chain tensioners.” Given his extensive, career-long experience with rare and desirable Porsche motor cars, his summary is perhaps most critical in understanding the rarity and desirability of this car. “This is an original, unrestored and very interesting Carrera RS lightweight. Apart from the period modifications the car is about as authentic and original as it is possible to be. Such examples are extremely rare these days and the car's provenance is also rare and historically desirable.” Indeed, as he points out, of the 200 RS Lightweights built, many of them were raced in period, occasionally damaged and as such, given the passage of time, perhaps 95% of the examples that exist have been fully restored. As such, the offering of an extremely original example, with fascinating provenance and period factory modifications is an exceptionally rare opportunity. INTERESTED PARTIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO CONTACT COLLECTORS GARAGE AND REVIEW ALL AVAILABLE HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION . . .'

    https://buy.motorious.com/vehicles/2...-7-lightweight




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    'engine heater hose replacement', and he did not mention taking the hose clamp from the rubber to the heater flapper box
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    what type of document is this...? I understand it is original since it has a signature and stamp but... The Porsche gave you a "summary" of the characteristics?
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    https://buy.motorious.com/vehicles/2...-7-lightweight

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    (...) the car received a full inspection from Andy Prill, for which the report is available for review. In summary, he described the car as “largely original and unrestored. (...) Regarding the cosmetic exterior condition, he stated “apart from the modifications and the new whale tail this car's body is in amazing original condition… the car has been repainted but this was just the outside.”
    wondering how it has a later rear slam panel?
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