Sample thread for discussion on parts moderating

[enoz05]

FS: NOS Carello PA JOD 130 clear driving lights. 12 Volt H1 bulbs, wiring and Original boxes are included.
Price is 285 euro + shipping.

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[911MRP]

Listed in “FS: 911 parts” but were these actually a 911 part or even a Porsche part — expect the auxiliary lighting experts will know?

[enoz05]

Listed in “FS: 911 parts” but were these actually a 911 part or even a Porsche part — expect the auxiliary lighting experts will know?

Are you interested in the lights or are you here again to comment?

[911MRP]

Regardless of interest not it’s a perfectly valid question given the choice made where in forum to post the item. As an experienced seller with over eight thousand posts — a seller who has sold an enormous volume of items here — isn’t reasonable to clarify if it is appropriate use of the forum categories especially if the choice might imply it is a 911 part. We see items moved by moderators . Items regularly commented upon in this forum regardless of if tbe person commenting is a prospective buyer or not.

Surely the usual “rules” apply even to a power seller?

I remain interested in knowing the answer to my question.

[enoz05]

So comment..... as always

In the past, identical lights have also been posted here
https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...hlight=carello

[911MRP]

My question is simple: were the lights ever a Porsche or Porsche 911 part?

[72targa]

We see many variations of period lights on the front of our cars. Especially when it came to rallying. The last photo in the first photo looks appropriate. They’re okay in my book, completely up to the taste of the buyer. So, no harm, no foul. Please carry on.

[911MRP]

So Peter are you saying the criteria is … if a picture happens to exist of an item shown bolted to a 911 and it looks ok it’s fair game to put in “FS 911 parts”?

Seems a very low bar indeed for ESR community to accept.

Especially for experienced power seller(s) (vs less experienced occasional seller ) choosing to post items deliberately in that area it implies it was I actually a 911 part. Different from the millions of aftermarket accessories that someone could have bought and fitted.

Something is either a “911 part” or it is not. I’d expect ESR forum collectively to have that knowledge to steer it if a genuine misunderstanding. Would not be good for a forum of EsR standing to see “FS:911 Parts” categorisation being misused — not all folks who come here for insight will have the knowledge of the more expert so be misleading if they take it at face value.

I e have examples of these lamps on storage for decades and if ever listed I wouldn’t dream of implying they were 911 part by posting there … hence my question.

Regarding your option. “no harm foul”: I strongly disagree! I would expect vendors to accept question (challenge) to something listed having posted it as “FS 911 part” that is possibly ( probably) graciously and in the spirit of learning Not to try to suppress comments. Potentially misleading. Some of the best learning has come from discussion starting with the accuracy of FS postings.

I’d say is there was by exception a well known well adotoed part specifically designed 911 use then perhaps an odd exception to allow in that section but that is very different to opening this up to any contemporary period accessory. Opens the “FS 911 Parts” to abuse the spirit of “FS 911 part” when becomes a Craig’s list of stuff without challenge imo.

More generally: what are the rules for what constitutes a being recognised as a “vendor” and being treated as other vendors are here? Sometimes when logging in on clicking new posts view it’s like Craig’s list of electrical bits and bobs wall of posts from single vendor flogging parts some no real link to 911 part.

I’d suggest a balance of contributing knowledge without commercial gain (vs large scale flogging stuff on forum while attempting the close down any questions) is more in the spirit of fair use?

In summary: far from “carry on” I’d say the opposite. Don’t encourage ( embolden) posting of all manner of accessory items in “FS:911 Parts” when they are (likely) not. Also don’t failing to see vendor (snide) attempt to suppress the straight forward questions

Frankly not what I’d expect here if goal is to share knowledge and discussion of 911!

Steve

[72targa]

^^^^ Appreciate your comments. Chuck and I do our best to run a tight ship. My methodology has evolved over time to try to strike a fair balance. We are continually watchful for true commercial posts while trying to support sellers that offer interesting parts for this special niche of cars. We’re not perfect but I think we have a pretty good forum here. We get many private messages that help us maintain the site and root out egregious posts (especially spam posts). I’ll continue down the learned path found in my last post for the time being. Apologies if you disagree.

PS - would love to see some of your parts in FS.

[911MRP]

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Surely you don’t condone a power vendor attempt to discourage a question to the expert community to see what facts are known?

I’d suggest your “carry on” comment only encourages such attempts to stifle discussion when a reasonable open question to the knowledgeable base here doesn’t suit a vendor. This exchange rather betrays the mindset?

Feedback on your evolving methodology. I recognise it isn’t easy to moderate and this is a good forum with some folks I respect for their knowledge but do consider the message the “carry on” sends to folks like me who are here to contribute knowledge and to learn from likeminded folks — not to flog items in high volume.

Do you ever get in contact to see why net contributors of knowledge leave here or begin post less. I can buy or sell stuff on eBay and Craig’s or auto jumble or better still I tend to let things go to my network where I can be sure it is right. Knowledge exchange and engendering the right spirit to do that is what makes this place what it is!

Steve