The real 73 RSR TF Winner - Porsche Factory Scam??

Thanks, these are amazing documents and fantastic period photographs which I had never seen. I wonder who wrote on the invoice "too much don't pay"....

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What bothers me about that Wagenpass document showing #3 with s/n 9113600020 (with the Martini stripes on the hood flaring out to the corners of the hood) is that this appears to be the #3 press car (maybe there were 2 cars with #3). 020 is the museum car. The #9 car, which I had concluded is the museum car, did not have the Martini stripes on the hood in the race, most likely because it had been the Zasada rally car (red top left from the Red/white paint scheme, bottom of car painted silver for Targa race with blue stripes above rain gutters to look somewhat like the Martini scheme, rivited flares in rear, plus 72 oil filler).

So does this document mean the museum car is really #107 not #9 from the Targa? Where is Jim Calzia and Norbert Singer when you need them?

Gib

Another possibility is that the wagenpass document could have been incorrectly filled out...instead of the #3 car being listed as 911 360 002, which is documented as the car that finished 6th at the TF as #107, the #3 car could have been listed as 911 360 020 on the wagenpass.

I think there is little doubt that the #3 car is the car that was renumbered as #107 for the race after Pucci wrecked 2 cars in practice.

Gib

The wing struts were just hand fabricated during the race event most likely. I think it has been pointed out that they were not on the cars during earlier photos at the event.

This shot of #9 is one piece of convincing evidence that it was the 72S rally car of Larrousse renumbered to be a 911 360 VIN. The riveted flares, plus the red top of the car are compelling evidence of its origin. The question remains, is this the museum car?

Gib Bosworth

One point of contention I have with Starkey's article...019 R1 was a renumbered 73 S (9113300789), not "the first RS/RSR" according to the RS Carrera Book, p. 162-163. It is also likely that 020 R2 was a renumbered car...and looking at the museum car, it could be a 72 because of the oil release button hole in the passenger side B panel (the oil tank having been taken out later). It could have been a 73 RS 471 or 472, with the factory using up a panel with an oil button hole in it, but not likely. The other production features in the interior...holes for a rear qtr window opening hinge, and a standard looking dash could apply to either 72 or 73 RS production (472 conversion). Either way, it was not originally an 491 RSR conversion, because of the initial options (aux heater, roll bar, no LSD), and in the pictures in the RS Book, both Tour de Corse rally cars had RS or ST type flares, and then R2 was converted from a rally car to a track car...presumably with the tacked on RSR rear flares as shown on #9 at the TF.

In my mind it is still a toss up as to whether 001 (as Starkey concludes) or 020 R2 ended up being the #9 car finishing 3rd at the TF. We know that both were there, but did 020 R2 end up in the race, or was it 001? Jim Calzia comments earlier in this thread that the green trimmed front bumper from R8 that crashed was put on 020 R2, and in the videos of the race, the green bumper is easy to spot on #9. Wouldn't the factory put one of the cars in the museum that actually raced at the TF, and not one that crashed in practice?

Gib Bosworth
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while looking for pics of the LEO-ZA cars (see other thread) I came across this pic of #107 at the 1973 Targa.
It appears to be a pic taken at practice rather than the race and thereefore must be one of the cars Pucci wrecked??
Note the different Martini livery. Unfortunately it is at the wrong angle to see if there is an oil door.
the pic came from the Sept 1998 copy of European Car magazine that had the Porsche 50 year feature in it

Hugh:

Great find! This shot is interesting because the RSR has silver trimmed turn signal lenses, and that rear flare looks kind of like the 107 RSR that finished 6th, which as we know was a 72S renumbered. The Martini livery on the hood looks like the #3 press car style, which is the 72S renumbered car. So this picture could be of that car before R8 crashed.

One explanation could be that when R8 (which was the other #107 at the race), was crashed, the fuel tank, and maybe because of the filler holes, the hood was replaced to match from the wrecked R8. R8 was a May 73 built RSR (0974), so would have possibly had a more suitable long distance tank, and would have had the later style Martini livery on the hood. R8 would have had black TS trimmed lenses, so I don't think it would be this car.

Gib

Two days ago, I read over the entire thread and became so confused on the different possible RSR versions of the Museum Targa car that I sent an email to the Porsche Museum.

Today, I got a reply :eek: from the assistant curator:

"You are right, the 911 RSR showed at the Porsche Museum is not the actual Targa winner.

This is the actual history of the museum-car:

1973 Le Mans, 14th, Gregg/Chasseuil
1973 pre-training Le Mans, 4-hour race:4th, Schurti/Koinigg
1973 Targa Florio, 3th, Kinunnen/Haldi

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me."

So the Museum car is indeed number 9113600020 (race #9) which finished 3rd!:p

well so much for factory scam;check my post #121 where I state that the PCANA web site list the museum car as #20;this thread has been great with history and photos,but no scam,museum states car is #20 web site claims #20;the car is #20 period