How much is a early 911 really worth??????

So, if one were to take the format ala Excellence: Poor, Fair, Good, Excellent..

Where (currently) at least does the early 911 fall?

I've owned a few 911's (and one 912). 3 of them were short hoods, three long hoods. Just 2-3 years ago, decent "T" longhoods were often below 10g's. Obviously drivers, but clean cars.

Now, where is the actual range?

I understand condition, but using the format above, what is too much for a T? Or for that matter the E and the S.

There were quite a few T's made, so how do folks view the current value leap (or current hype)?

Is there the level of disposable income now (ie baby boomers)that the those who may be new to the early car market are spending $$$ without putting values in context of production?

Or is there really that few good cars availbale to the point that one should "get theirs now" before it is too late?

What do those who have a better handle on the quantity and quality of these cars think?

A.B.

P.S. paid up and feels good...

As is the case in many of the non-essential purchases we make, emotions play a big part in how much we're willing to ante up. Doesn't matter if it's cars, vintage bamboo fly rods, porcelain signs, etc., it you've been lookin' long enough for that "just so" item, and it's within your reach, it's likely that (within reason, of course) price guides be damned.

The obvious problem that Excellence, or any other guide presents, is that without current data in sufficient numbers, it's darn near a crapshoot. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have never yet reported a sale price to those who publish guides. Two years ago I sold a '71 T for lots more than the Excellence guideline and the buyer, a knowledgable Porsche guy, was happy as a clam. It may have been a market leading price at the time, but he has enjoyed it greatly in the past two years and could no doubt stuff a fair profit in his wallet if he were now to sell.

I think that all of the early 911, non RS cars are still somewhat undiscovered by the great majority - present company excluded, of course. Five years ago I paid what, at the time was a guide bustin' price for my original SR '68 S, but I was just a bit ahead of the times; (almost) seems like bargain $'s to me now...

I would sooner see prices go up somewhat slowly than begin the trend of (for instance) some 356s. Four years ago you could buy a darn nice A Coupe in the mid twenties and now the first digit for such a car is likely a 4. Good I suppose if you owned one, but lots of first timers are now pinched out of the market and I don't see that as a positive development.

Jim

Well I don't know about less than perfect E's fetching 30K. Here is what I have sold in the last 12 months 71T w/ real S motor, mechanically excellent $16.5K, 73T with carbed 2.7 no rust $14.5K, 71E no rust low miles, mechanically very good, needed paint, $12.5, 72 T, with S options, very good condition $13.3 these are real sales no B.S.
Phil

certainly good points made so far. Eric has indicated for Pual that condition is key and also included rare options ('cause Eric is the rare option king). All are correct...I wish to add that a very good/or nearly complete car service and ownership history can make a large contribution to the value factor.

We have, I think, a proper order;

condition
options
documentation

More needed. Shawn.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...559872688&rd=1

Or, how much for a few days rental. :o

Shawn.

Good input by everyone. I know these things may not fall on a defined scale. I am looking seriously at a non-sunroof T where I would be the second registered owner. S-trim, air, no rust (or none that can be found).

Certainly not concours, but very a very nice driver. mechanicals very good-recent overhaul, tranny excellent.

To me the price is fairly high for a T (to me anyhow-read above the mid-teens in $$), but perhaps I need to adjust to the current times and market.

A.B.

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Originally Posted by AbbyAk

Certainly not concours, but very a very nice driver. mechanicals very good-recent overhaul, tranny excellent.
A.B.

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Abby:

Not saying that my knowledge is that complete, but people that I have talked to who were selling "T's" in the last year have told me that "the engine and paint are original, because it isn't worth fixing it for what T's cost now-a-days."

Maybe times are changing, but I doubt that you would find one with a recent overhaul for mid teens. Correct me if I'm wrong, but an overhaul would be half the price of the car!!!!

larry

I think you have good point. This car has been painted and done fairly well. Guess I just hadn't been in the "marketplace" recently enough and did not realize that a good/decent "T" is now approaching a price level that I did not forsee.

Don't get me wrong, I love all the early 911's T, E , S, "normal" etc.. the classic lines are something I never ever tire of.

I had my chances for early S a few years ago, and should have bought a prisitine 67' for 16k. It was literally in my lap. But, as they say: "if "if" and "buts" were candy and nuts, it would be X-mas every day."

Frankly , I now see a good S as something pretty much out of my range(at the moment), a good E as a stretch, and a good T as more than I had thought. I am certainly not destitute, my wife and I do very well, we do have 2 little children and they do come first.

I kind of see the T as a great car, but certainly, with the quantity of them that were built, thought they would remain at a certain price level for longer than they have. Of course aside from tweaks, the T has the same awesome engineering and styling as the other models, so perhaps I should not be surprised.

Abby,
You last lines summed up my situation too. The cliches like " a rising tide raises all boats" is surely in effect. Although I am self employed and think I am wise with my $, I have to think how the toys and thier purchase price as well as long term improvements and maintainance costs fit in with being a responsible head of a household. I opted for an exceptional 73T rather than take the same amount of money and get a lesser quality E or S. Although I too wound up paying a high price for my car, it is low mileage, original paint car in my favorite color with owner and service history to day one. Condition, options and documented history will always carry a wortwhile premium in my opinion. Color changes and replacement engines, no matter how well done can have an adverse effect on value in the long run when it comes time to send it on to a new owner. Do your research and with that new found knowledge, buy what makes YOU happy. Good luck, Daron

I Am The One Catching All The Flack About The 1973 "E" Sunroof That Supposedly Is Causing Part Of The Stir On This And Other Sites Regarding The Early 911 Market..

First Of All This Car Is Not! I Repeat Not! Just A Normal 1973 "E" The Car Is In Excellent Original Unrestored Condition.. I Said Original Not Perfect!

The Car Has Very Good And Very Shinny 95% Original Paint ( The Hood Was Spotted) There Are A Few Minor Scratches /nicks But Again You Only Get Original Paint One Time!

The Car Is Loaded With Very Rare Factory Options Like;

1. Factory Special Order Color (ivory)
2. Factory Special Order Brown Full Leather Interior ( Door Panels, Back Seats, Dash, Ect)
3. Sport Seats
4. Factory Behr Air Conditioning
5. Factory Fender Trim
6. Factory Sunroof
7. Koni Shocks
Plus More..


The Fact That The Car Is Unrestored And Very Original Including The Paint Will Usually Push Any Collector Car To A Totally Different Level Above That Of Most Restored Cars Of The Same Type..

Somtimes A Car That Is All Original And Unrestored Even With A Slight Patina Is Worth More Then A 100 Point Show Car..

Plus! A Heavily Optioned Car Will Always Demand A Premium To Any Serious Collector..

Then There Is The Serial Number Issue..
The Very Early And Very Late Serial Numbered Cars Will Often Increase The Cars Value..

This Car Is Very Very Late The 10th From The Last 73 " E".. #1,355..

The Guy Who Sold Me The Car Knew About The Original Paint But Never Realized That The Car Has Full Leather.. Also In His Ad He Neglected To Mention That The Car Has A Sunroof! He Also Never Knew The Serial Number Was Very Late.. The Seller Relied On Bruce Anderson And Other Publications To Set His Price..

Because The Seller Was Ill Informed About What He Was Selling Left Money On The Table..

I Could Tell From The Photos That The Car Was Probably Full Leather And I Asked When I Saw The Sunroof Switch If The Car Had A Sunroof? He Also Never Mentioned That He Had Every Record All The Way Back To 1973!

Marketing Any Item With An Accurate And Full Description Of The Positive Aspects Of The Item Usually Will Bring A Higher Price..

Placing An Ad Like " 69 Porsche 911 In Fair Condition Needs Full Restoration" Would Probably Not Bring Much Interest Or Money..

But Add " This Car Is All Original And Was Originally Owned And Raced By Steve Mcqueen Or Mark Donahue And Won Lemans" Might Get A Bit More Interest..

Again The Same Car In The Exact Same Condition Could Bring Ten Times The Money If Marketed Correctly..

Just My $.02