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Boy, I have tried to keep myself out of the fire lately. I see Andy's point.
IMO the non-matching case in this car just creates a point of difference. It is the marketplace's responsibility to determine if it impacts the value of the car. In this case [Pun intended] I can not see where it creates much of a difference in that the original case is [was?] with the car.
Something to always keep in mind is that many cars had the engine replaced for whatever reason back in the 70's. Back then there was no forsight that someone in the 90's or 2009 would care. Any car with race history wasn't raced very hard if it has it's original case,or whole motor. If a engine went sour, simply plug it another. In the case of the RS's, the block, (case), was made from magnesiem, which was very light, but not that durable. Many of these cars were raced, as intended by Porsche,would explain why many of the cars don't have the original case. A non original case might effect the price 10% or so, but it's not a reason to go bannanas. I know one thing for sure, there are many RS owners who think their case in original, but it's not.
To quote Tommy Chong....
Uhhhhh..........yeaaahhhh.
"No stems no seed that you don't need, Acapulco Gold is a bad@ass weed"
Tom
I have a matching numbers 72T and I am in the midst of building a E spec 180 hp 2.4 for some extra fun. My plan is to store the matching numbers motor to keep with the car. Does this make my car worth less?
No; It makes it worth more especially if you end up selling the car with the new motor and the original with it. ;)
Tom
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Again, what's the purpose of a serial number then?? Yes it's honorable to give the original case -- but what happens when the orig. case and this car get seperated?? With all the BS that goes on with forgery and fakes, how is this any different?
How can a seller present this as a matching numbers car?
Above is quote (posted by 'Vinny') from thread referenced. This guy took some heat. As the ebay ad makes NO reference to the replacement case i would suggest Vinny wasn't totally off base. Not commenting on value here as i neither have the inclination nor the funds to own such a piece of history but the fact remains that while our guy was incredibly honest and well intentioned with his restamping he has no control over how this will be treated in the future.
Whether those of you who might be potential buyers would ding this car or not for the well done replacement case is a personal decision but surely ALL of you would like to know the facts when deciding how much to pay.
I beleive the Porsche factory suppied the blank case. Why do you think they did that? To replace cases that were damaged beyond repair. They even re-stamped them to match the original number. I believe the blanks were refered to as industrial cases. Any help here on this one? BTW, If the factory did the replacement would it be an issue?
Cheers,
Duane
Has anyone put the seller on notice yet? Is it our obligation to make sure he doesnt fraudulently represent this car to an unwitting buyer? Or is it caveat emptor?
Question was put to Corvette Mike and the response was...............Quote:
Originally Posted by markg
We have paperwork that shows the engine was rebuilt. No idea how to determine the originality of any Porsche component. Please have a qualified inspector...
Hmmmm.... I suspect the original case must be gone. S Registry to arms a foul is going to be committed...........
OT but of interest perhaps.
Vintage BMW's motorcycles are worth more as an original. If the engine doesn't match the frame you get a big deduction. Now the kicker is if you have the engine from something like an R68 or R50-S you hold the majority value of the motorcycle. Why?
BMW motorcycle engines are nearly impossible on which to fake the stamping. The "BMW Roundel" logo is part of it on both ends of the numbers. It is located in a place not easy to "work" (i.e. weld up)
I haven't seen one done like the factory yet. The depth and font type is critical.
Porsches are a walk in the park as are most American cars, especially Corvettes. There has and will always be an underground for faking things like this. It stinks to high heaven and we owe it to the hobby to rat out bad apples.
Tom