Werks 911 Rally cars 1965 - 1972

1970 911S 2.2 / 2.3 “Rally”



7 werks cars
9110300001 engine S-T 5704 first event:1970 Monte Carlo; car #6
9110300002 engine S-T 5705 first event: 1970 Monte Carlo; car #2
9110300003 engine S-T 5706 first event: 1970 Monte Carlo; car #11
9110300949 engine S-R 2970 first event: 1970 Austrian Alpine Rally; car #3
9110300950 engine 6301281 S-R 2971 first event: 1970 Swedish Rally; car #9
9110301127 engine 6301557 S-U 9370 first event: 1970 Austrian Alpine Rally; car #4
9110300102 engine possibly S-T 5158 first event: 1970 Swedish Rally; car #2

The first 3 were Tangerine, the others Orange
Only 6 engine numbers shown.
6300159; 6301294; 6301281; 6301557; 6308505; 6308506.

9110301127 is known to have used 6301557 on the Austrian Alpine rally

However likely that some cars used multiple engines, 1127 did.

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9110300001. S-T 5704. 1970 Monte Carlo; car #6 Waldergard / Helmer

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9110300002 S-T 5705: 1970 Monte Carlo; car #2 Larrousse / Gelin

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9110300003 S-T 5706: 1970 Monte Carlo; car #11 Åke Andersson/Bo Thorselius


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9110300949 S-R 2970: 1970 Austrian Alpine Rally; car #3 Waldegaard/Helmer

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9110300950 S-R 2971: 1970 Swedish Rally; car #9 Andersen/Torzelius



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9110301127: S-U 9370. 1970 Austrian Alpine Rally; car #4 Andersson/Torszelius May 1970

Following that it was the super lightweight 1970 Tour de France car #139

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9110300102 possibly S-T 5158: 1970 Swedish Rally; car #2 Waldegard



1970 911S 2.4 “Proto”



Was really 911 030 1127 engine type 911/21 S U 9370 not what is shown in the table.

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9110301127 Tour de France 1970 Larousse / Gelin

Thanks Hugh! The press release by porsche made me think it could be factory, but the only pic i have (above) looks quite privateer (and the krakow license plate too), so i wasnt sure. I do not want to muddy up this thread, since its about rally 911s so if you want to, we can take it off line and you can email me any info you have to hoffman912@gmail.com.

do you know where i can find my own info on leif nilsson and other 912 rallye cars as well? i know those are privateers for sure. again, i dont want to impose on the thread or go off topic any more since it is for factory 911s...

1971 911S 2.2 “Safari”



5 werks cars Chassis numbers:
911 130 0637 S-AA 4826 safari car #1 Andersson
911 130 0647 S-AA 4825 safari car #33 Waldegaard Helmer
911 130 0683 S-AA 4827 safari car #19 Zasada/ Bien
911 130 0589 maybe S-AA 3129 unidentified team or practice car at 1971 safari
911 130 0683? Duplicated number in table?? Should it be 911 030 0612? Maybe S-AA 3128 unidentified team or practice car at 1971 safari
4 engine numbers shown 631 0962; 631 0922; 630 8504; 630 1557 (also used in 911 030 1127)
Apparently the 1971 safari had 5 cars – 3 Werks and 2 Recce entries
“The two Recce cars Porsche in the 1971 Safari rally had following start numbers:
#7 Entrant: SEARS TYRES; driver: R.Gerrish
#37 Entrant: MOTORSPORT CLUB; driver: A.Kling”

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1971 safari team

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9111300637 S-AA 4826 car #1 Andersson

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9111300647 S-AA 4825 safari car #33 Waldegaard Helmer

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9111300683 S-AA 4827 safari car #19 Zasada/ Bien

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S-AA 3129 unidentified team or practice car at 1971 safari

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S-AA 3128 unidentified team or practice car at 1971 safari



1971 911S 2.2 “Rally”



2 Werks cars (but 3 numbers – does one belong above in an earlier section - ie 1970?)

9111300558

9111300565 engine 6310962 S-Z 7941 car #3 1971 Rally Sweden Waldegaard

9111300561

2 engine numbers shown 6310922; 6310962 (both also shown for the “safari cars” above)

Is one of the others S-Z 7940 car #1 1971 Swedish Rally Ake Andersson?

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9111300565 engine 631 0962 S-Z 7941

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9111300565 engine 6310962 S-Z 7941 car #3 1971 Rally Sweden Waldegaard

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S-Z 7940 car #1 1971 Swedish Rally Ake Andersson

the last set to finalise the info on the table on werks cars

1972 911S 2.5 “Rally”



2 werks cars


9112300041 S-AK 1336 1972 Monte car #4 Larousse

9112300047 S-AK 1337 1972 Monte car #15 Waldegaard

2 engines shown as associated. 6622002; 6622003. However 9112300047 also has engines 6620008 and 6630021 associated with it


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9112300041 S-AK 1336 1972 Monte car #4 Larousse

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9112300047 S-AK 1337 1972 Monte car #15 Waldegaard


That finalises them, or at least what i can find so far.

Now comes the task of correcting errors / typos (Bryce is already ahead on that score) and adding information.

while i have usually shown only the first event of most of these cars there is much more information on many of them in the ultimate ST thread

Raj

i agree that there are a number of important cars left off - however i have tried to use what Barth says are the werks "911 production sports cars 2.0 to 2.5". ie the werks team cars entered in competition of one sort or another - mainly rallies.

Possibly there are some other werks supported cars and possibly private cars that have a greater claim to fame than some of these. Think, for example, the 911L rally cars from Sweden, the 911L trans am cars and the other 911L cars raced in Europe by people closely related to the factory, and the list goes on. Thomas L has done a great job cataloging the Swedish cars which should be seen as semi werks or werks supported entries but not as full werks entries and thus not included on this list.

S-UN 476 was prototype 13 (300002) i believe. I agree it is important but did not get recognized as a werks car for the purpose of the list that was published. To me that only means it was never entered by the factory in any competition. To me that is almost certainly correct. But for the same reason it should not be on THIS list.

it would be interesting to see a list of the important customer cars, werks supported or not. The only issue in creating it is there is no database of chassis numbers to work from like on this list. Many, maybe most, have been listed on this board including in the ST thread, the Le Mans one and Thomas's rally car one.

what is interesting to me is to see the extent of official werks cars over the period, whether you see it as small or extensive, and the identities of the cars rather than the bland chassis numbers. That is the purpose of what i was trying to do here

I had been toying with the idea of listing individual cars after this, with the history and pictures of events as werks cars and then afterwards - to the extent i can get data, and then hot linking them to the chassis numbers in the posts above..............then i head a cold shower after realising the scope

however such an expansion of the scope of this list is possible.
I am interested to see if posting this draws out new information or not. I cant believe that this is the extent of the information on these cars out there. Also i have made guesses in this and probably some mistakes or have incomplete information. Thus i am seeing this as a work in progress with a relatively narrow scope, at least at this stage

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Originally Posted by HughH

1968 911S 2.0 “Rallye”



5 werks cars with 911/30 engines. These may have been badged “T” in T/R homologated with “408 xxxx” S engines
11820433 engine 408 ????
11820455 engine 408 ???? Registration 428 Z 2097 Monte Carlo 1968 #116 Pauli Toivonen then became BYK 90 for AAW team
11820472 engine 408 ????
11820702 engine 408 ????
11820765 engine 408 ????
Only 4 engines recorded 4080588; 4080618; 4080931; 4081017;

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11820455 engine 408 0581 (Kardex source)

RIchard

fantastic!!

thanks richard

now i will have to figure out how to keep this update - possibly edit the original post but put in red or something similar

Thanks Hugh,

Great thread you have done, great job you've invested in order to document the Porsche factory rally cars.



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