You guys lost me about 5 pages ago ..... but I'll bet one of these guys knows the answer :D
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You guys lost me about 5 pages ago ..... but I'll bet one of these guys knows the answer :D
Unfortunately we cannot ask the guy on the right........RIP Herbert
Curt do you have a caption of where and when that was taken?
Was it at the le mans test? I can see reference to Le Mans on the sign writing on the track
it looks like they are leaning on a Martini RSR proto that has no sign writing on it roof but you can just see the hint of a dunlop or bilstein decal in the bottom RH corner.
That's probably car #61 at Le Mans, then. I doubt that a local pharmacy would advertise anywhere else.Quote:
Curt do you have a caption of where and when that was taken?
I think we have (virtually) resolved that car 107 at the Targa was a 1972 shell and was a last minute stand-in for the car that crashed beyond repair; probably R8.
I think it is also (almost) agreed that this car is RS 002, which is the press car and before that the ex Strahle ST (and by the looks of it the car pictured on the ONS pass for R2 RS 020 with #3 on it).
I have just discovered a set of decals for a model of #107 that look remarkably accurate, down to the two colored "martini racing" decals that are`hard to see on black and white pictures of the press car.
Included in the decal set is a number plate - LEO ZA 68. This is the plate on the Waldegaard Tour de Corse car from November 1972:eek: and ties this and the TdC thread http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ad.php?t=16839 together.
I can almost make out a number plate on the back of the 107 car in the picture of it attached. The magnification needed kills the detail but I can just see "ZA". I have no reason to believe the decal is wrong - but would love to know the source of the information used to create the decals.
That raises two possibilities:
Firstly the Waldegaard "68" car at the TdC was RS002, and after its accident there it was repaired and repainted in Martini colors to be launched as the press car, and eventually used as the 107 car at the Targa (instead of the "history" in the RS book amongst other places of it being used on the "panzer " test track. This means there is a possibility of it still existing now. or;
Secondly the Waldegaard car at the TdC was another ex ST, and did get used on the "panzer track" and eventually as a recce car for a safari rallye (and probably perished there) and the factory transferred the plates to RS 002 when it was launched as the press car.
I would like to believe the first scenario which, if correct, would suggest that BOTH of the ex TdC RS / RSR's competed in the Targa as the other TdC car (Larrousse's LEO ZA 69) is supposed to be RS020 R2 which ,in turn, is supposed to be car #9 at the Targa.
Hugh:
Interesting find on the Mini Champs decals with the LEO ZA 68 plate. I have the model, and am posting a picture. Your hypothesis muddies the water with the 107 car...but I do agree that there does appear to be a LEO ZA plate on the 107 car at the Targa in that cornering shot. I tried to see it in the video, but can't quite make it out, but there is some kind of plate visible.
Regardless of this plate, I think the 107 car is very consistant in photos from the red Strahle version in July 72 to the Targa. Turn lenses have silver trim (both LEO ZA cars have black), and the rear flares are very distinctive...and that little mud flap on the rear of the wheel opening is there all the way through this period. The LEO ZA rear flares look different on both cars, and I doubt that the original Strahle flares would have been re-attached and lenses changed back to silver after the TdC efforts.
I don't have any good explanation why the LEO ZA plate would be on 107, but there must be one. Maybe the answer is that the bumper was replaced (but not that mud flap) for some reason with an old spare from the LEO ZA car that wrecked with the plate still attached.
And I still feel that car 62 from LeMans is NOT 020 R2...again because it is so different from the Targa car 9. There are enough inconsistances in the records of 61 & 62, and we need a good picture of 61 to say for sure. I think photos of cars with unique details are a better source of reality than records...when they conflict.
Gib
The black trim, and 73 "look" on the LEO ZA cars has always had me thinking they were newly built or rebuilt. Yes it does mitigate against the "68" car being the Strahle car and then later the press car - ie the "68" car being RS002.Quote:
Originally Posted by letsrollbabe
On the number plate, one possible explanation is that the press car needed to be road registered as a part of its general duties, and the "68" car did not need to continue to be road registered, so they transferred the plates to the press car when that was created.
Regardless of the background it is an unusual circumstance to see a car in a (non rally car) world championship event that has the appearance, at least, of being road registered. I suspect that might be the only occasion in the 1973 season that this was the case. A great ad for "race Sunday sell Monday"
You can catch the Strahle #5 car accelerating out of the pits after around 4 mins here:
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great video
some fantastic footage apart from the strahle car
i wish I could capture good stills from this sort of footage
Hugh, the above vidio is an excerpt from the new Ruf dvd. Contact Ruf and get a copy. The interviews of Alois while he is driving the cars is priceless, the engine sound of his 901 (300 037) bring a smile to me.
Hugh - I'm fairly certain that was at the LeMans test and may have been from a series of photos of cars that attempted, but did not, qualify for the race. Would that make sense?