The real 73 RSR TF Winner - Porsche Factory Scam??

Hugh:

A good point. Yes, I should have thought that there would have been Wagenpasses issued for both 0001 and 0002. Where are they?

Another point: Whislt talking with Varunan 123 this morning, he asked if the scrutneers/officials at the 1973 Targa Florio would have asked to see the Wagenpasses of ALL the Works Porsches entered. Certainly, they would have inspected the passes of the three cars entered in the race but it's probable that they did not inspect those of the practice "T" car/cars. So it is entirely possible that the factory are repeating which cars were ORIGINALLY entered for the Targa but NOT the real, final result, which included at least one substitute car.

The recent photo of the #9 car clearly shows the hammer marks on the recently beaten out right rear fender and what appears to be a new hood and front bumper. Presumably this is the car that, according to Norbert Singer: "Needed a crowbar to fit a new drive shaft on the morning of the race".

John Starkey

another pic of the sticker on the car 8 window........it looks like there is some writing and a stamp of some sort

The sticker is:

"Automobili Club Sicilia" The badge of the car club of Sicily.

John Starkey

Totally different shapes on the 'Mary Stuart' tail extensions .... are they different because they were quickly handcut and tacked on? Or were they purposely trying different shapes?

Curt

I think the shapes are different because "they were quickly handcut and tacked on" as they had proper filled in (by the look of it fibre glass) at Spa and Monza before the targa. They were obviously experimenting with the shape from Dec 1972 on at Paul Ricard etc and by April seem to have about the final shape determined.

varunan123
I don't think there is a connection between the "Automobili Club Sicilia" decals on the cars (thanks John for telling us what they are) and the stickers on the windows.

I think that the ACS decals are either a requirement for cars in the event, or a recognition by the team of the ACS which was probably the organization under which the event was officially run. I have not checked to see if other cars ran that decal or not.

Regardless I don't think that , IF the window sticker is a scrutineering document, it would matter whether the cars were ACS members or not.

It MAY be a temporary registration document to allow the cars on public roads or some other such "official" document.

I was just interested if anyone knew what it is.

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Originally Posted by John Starkey

The sticker is:

"Automobili Club Sicilia" The badge of the car club of Sicily.

John Starkey

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Hello John
you gave me a doubt, i was told, when i started this idea 3 years ago (a martini replica), that ACS was the "swiss automobile club"
a swiss confirmed me on the french forums
it seems that is.....

http://www.acs.ch/ch-de/index.asp

RSR driver Herbert "Herbie" Muller was swiss.
Maybe thats why it has a swiss ACS (sponsor) sticker on front fender.

I agree that neither 9 nor 107 have badges on the engine grill. 8 does as does 62 at le mans 4hour as you say. I looked at earlier years cars and saw virtually no badges but did see a 2.4 on a kremer ST

i couldn't find a pic of the TdC cars and the pic of car 48 at le mans is not quite at the right angle to be certain but it does not appear to have a badge

so i don't know what consistency there is.

On the mirror I agree the car 9 flag looks smaller than the car 62 one - but it could be an illusion - on the other hand I have enough trouble telling them apart in real life - so wjhat would I know:)

here is the 48 car at Le Mans

I am not sure if the angle is quite right to show it if it was there
but it looks like it is not

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Originally Posted by varunan123

hugh there are photos of the current museum car having the insignia.That would make sense since we know it was there on car 62 at the le mans test.

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yes but wouldn't the factory have put it on in one of their "restorations" anyway if it was not there?