The real 73 RSR TF Winner - Porsche Factory Scam??

WOW, this stuff is FANTASTIC!

Hugh: I planned to reply to your 12/31 e-mail, but--since our e-mails are relevant to this thread and this thread has launched itself since the New Year, I'll respond here. Yup, I agree LEO ZA 60 is E42 since Mike Moore showed that the battle damage to 108T is the same as 107 with the arrow livery, and 107 with the arrow livery is E42 (from Singer's notes). Now if we can just get Mike to do his digital magic to this image and tell us what the last digit on the registration plate of 107 is, maybe we will prove it!
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Also, those newly discovered pics of #61 at the April 1973 Le Mans test weekend sure do look like #9 under braking in Puttock's films of the Targa Florio. I rechecked Singer's notes for the LM test and sure enough--Singer always refers to #61 as R2 which I think we have agreed is #9 at the TF!

sorry Jim, hard to make out the word Martini let alone the licence plate number.....

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...Moore/pull.jpg

while I was playing though did create this version, might try marketing it as a decorative wall panel!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...ore/pull02.jpg

I have a relatively hi res version of that picture as well - more so than the version that can be posted here (and another similar one) and the best I can do is make out the "ZA" on the plate

I am on the lookout for a better rear view of the car in the race

I tried capturing a still from the video to do it but could not get a clear picture.

This morning, I received the following e-mail from Nikolay Karazlatev who asked me to post the following message on this thread

My name is Nikolay Karazlatev and I’m from Bulgaria. Unfortunately I can’t register …. For that reason I send to you my pictures, opinions and proofs regarding 1973 Porsche Carrera RSR:

1. The car with license-plate "LEO ZA 69" was driven by Larousse(number 2) at 1972TdC, then Paul Rickard test, then number 61 at LM test, then number 9 at Targa Florio. My proof: please see the enclosed two pictures(1972TdCorse_69) with oil filler, sign SHELL with lettering SHELL(like the two pictures from Hugh’s # 504) and the number plate above Carrera which is different from the car with license-plate "LEO ZA 68" see picture(1972TdCorse_68). Maybe Larousse practice with this car, but they don’t change the license plates between the two cars.

2. The car with number 107 from Targa Florio was "LEO ZA 60". Please see the enclosed image(art.jpg). Maybe exist the real picture and the artist reproduce this one.
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Suddenly realizing the power of the thread, I replied to Nikolay with the following request:
Do you have pictures of R2 (#9 at the Targa Florio) and E42 (#107 at the Targa Florio) at pre-Training for the Nurburgring 1000 km race?. Pre-Training occurred on May 21-22, 1973, a week before the 1000 km race, and was the introduction of R7 (race #6 at the Nurburgring) as the new improved wide-bodied prototype RSR with lots of fiberglass body parts. You can tell if the picture was taken at pre-Training because the #6 on the hood of R7 is straight whereas the #6 was slanted toward the driver during the 1000 km race. I have no idea what race #s were assigned to R2 or E42 at pre-Training; I suspect the cars must have looked like they did at the Targa because pre-Training occurred only a week after the Targa Florio.

Anybody? Any and all pictures will be greatly appreciated!

Hugh: Nikolay's third picture is the "painting" I referred to in our Dec letters as evidence that #107 was LEO ZA 60. Not much more credible than the registration plates on the back of MiniChamps model, eh? Ah well, the search goes on!!

Jim:

This is really great info, and confirmation from another source of what has been postulated here based on all the evidence we could gather. We have been unable to see that 72 oil door in previous pix of Larousse's TdC car, and you can still just barely see it fron this shot. Can you ask Nikolay if he knows whether the LEO ZA 69 car was a renumbered 72S or a newly built 73RS with the 72 oil door body?

I love the painting of LEO ZA 60 (aka race 107, 108T/107T, E42, Martini Press Car #3, Strahle #5). It even has the little rear mud flaps that only this car had. Mike, you need to get a really good copy of this painting as a companion for "our" car.

Gib
R Gruppe 17
EarlySReg. 434

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Originally Posted by letsrollbabe

Mike, you need to get a really good copy of this painting as a companion for "our" car.

Gib
R Gruppe 17
EarlySReg. 434

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Hi Gib, its a great picture, I've never seen it before, any idea where's it from?

WOW!!!

I must have looked at that rear picture of LEO ZA 69 and the other photos of the #2 car 1000 times and did not see the lack of a FERODO logo on the #2 sticker and the lack of the SHELL word on the shell sticker :o

It definitely looks like the car #2 LEO ZA 69 was Larousse practicing or something like that but certainly not the race car.
I have enough pictures of the #2 race car with the shell words and FERODO logo, one of which I can easily recognize Larousse in, to now see the difference.

And DOUBLE WOW!!
that photo of the side of car #2 clearly showing the oil door.
It surprised me how indistinct the oil door was in that photo (but certainly there) - no wonder we could not see it in the other shots.

Maybe it is to do with the colour scheme that does not make it stand out as much.?

I think it is VERY clear that the RS 020 (R2) car had an oil door at the TdC (as car 2) and at the le mans test (car 61) and was the car #9 at the Targa still with an oil door. It seems to have lost the oil door before Le mans as car 48 (but I must go back and blow up the pictures`I have of that car given how indistinct it is on the car #2 here.)

car 48 from le mans certainly became the museum car - that was shown earlier in the thread from the le mans tell tail lights etc.

I have a bunch of photos from Nurburgring 1973 but don't think I have any of R2 or car 107 from pre-practice ( although I am sure I have them of R7)

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Originally Posted by Mike_Moore

Hi Gib, its a great picture, I've never seen it before, any idea where's it from?

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Mike:

I have never seen it before, and can't make out the artist's name. Maybe Nikolay can shed some light on the source through Jim.

Gib
R Gruppe 17
EarlySReg 434

Gib: I downloaded that picture from http://hobbystage.net/porsche/mouse/...678-005667.jpg in July 2004, but--I have not been able to open that site since then. Maybe the more digitally inclined computer-meisters on this thread can make it work

Hugh: Here is a pic of R2 at the TdC published by Bill Oursler in the April 2007 Panorama. The oil door is visible here, but--is it the practice car or the rally car and why?
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Originally Posted by Jim Calzia

Do you have pictures of R2 (#9 at the Targa Florio) and E42 (#107 at the Targa Florio) at pre-Training for the Nurburgring 1000 km race?. Pre-Training occurred on May 21-22, 1973, a week before the 1000 km race, and was the introduction of R7 (race #6 at the Nurburgring) as the new improved wide-bodied prototype RSR with lots of fiberglass body parts. You can tell if the picture was taken at pre-Training because the #6 on the hood of R7 is straight whereas the #6 was slanted toward the driver during the 1000 km race. I have no idea what race #s were assigned to R2 or E42 at pre-Training; I suspect the cars must have looked like they did at the Targa because pre-Training occurred only a week after the Targa Florio.

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no pictures of other cars at this stage but to illustrate Jim's point, here is a picture of R7 at the pre race testing and one ( from almost the same angle) of it at the race.
Note apart from the numbers being at a different angle:
*no Porsche badge on the bonnet for the car at testing
*brake cooling ducts in front spoiler in race car but not at practice
* extensions on front spoiler unpainted at practice

I am sure there are other detail differences (my detail spotting has let me down of late (see post above))