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Fantastic photo CAILLER :)
that is hard to beat as a first post. It (along with some of the other photos posted here) conclusively ties together the targa florio #9 car with the factory museum car and, along with other material here, there is documentary evidence through from the Tour de Corse car to the museum car
this has been an interesting adventure............. now for R1 and R4:eek:
I emailed Martin at www.racingsportscars.com the other day with a link to this page and our conclusions on the identity of the #48 car.Quote:
Originally Posted by WERK1
he has replied that he has changed the reference and it will be updated next time he uploads changes. He also advised his source for the information was Wimpffen's book Time and Two Seats.
I would add to that list..#107 from the TF...002...what ever happened to it? This would be a very valuable car today also. There has to be some factory documentation or notes somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by HughH
Gib
Gentlemen,
I looked back through my old, hand written notes of when I interviewed the late Helmuth Bott yesterday, back in 1986, at the Porsche factory. Herr Bott told me that, as far as he could remember, the Daytona winning car of Peter Gregg and Hurley Haywood had returned to the factory after the race, (There are photos extant of this) and it had then been "Verschrotten" (dismantled for inspection/broken up/scrapped), but MAY have been further developed as a "Martini Longtail". (His English was not good and my German almost non-existent!)
If we take the latter as to what DID happen to this RSR, then the only car that fits that description would be either 911 360 0686, R7 or 0588, R6. That longtail, (911 360 0588, R6) had won the Targa Florio and was then sent to the Penske team, who sold it immediately after the 1973 Watkins Glen race in July to John McLelland and is still with Peter Kitchak. So that cannot be a re-numbered R4.
Quite why the factory would have re-numbered the car, (If they did!), I have no idea but the fact that it went back again to Brumos may be a tie-in or just a coincidence. If the car was re-numbered and further developed as the Brumos Longtail, this might explain why the chassis plate of 911 360 0328 is still around, in Italy.
Just thoughts, you understand.
John
we have been thinking about R4 turning into another 1973 RSR but in longtail form
What about it being one of the 1974 RSR turbos? - they were "long tail". how many of those were there really?
R5 became one that is currently (?) at Gunnar Racing being converted back to a 73 RSR
Your book "930 to 935" suggests that the 1974 Le Mans car #21 may have been R8; and generally suggests that R8, as well as R5, may have turned into a 1974 RSR turbo
we now know that R8 was well and truly destroyed at the targa - after being wrapped around a tree it is hard to see the tub being straight enough to be a new race car :eek:
is it possible that R4 became this "other" 1973 based 1974 RSR? or is it more likely that there was only one such car - R5?
as a second suggestion even if it was turned into a 73 martini longtail it may not have raced. it may have been a T car or even just used on the test track
Hi,
There is a picture in the April issue of Excellence, page 50, showing the Porsche museum RSR no. 8 with the hood open. Is there anybody that has made a picture of the VIN plate, assuming it is there and original!
BTW, you all deserve a PhD in Porsche history, fantastic thread!
Cees
GibQuote:
Originally Posted by letsrollbabe
I think the car in the wind tunnel tests of the Mary Stuart tail is 0002 after the Targa.
The RS book calls it the targa winner but it is almost certain to be 0002 as the decals match those of car 107 at the targa and it has the unique rear flared guards. You can also see a touch of the martini center stripe above the engine lid.
besides the real targa winner would have been in preparation for le mans as R2 would have been.
so initially, at least, it may have been used as a test car at the factory, and perhaps lost part of identity in that form?
Hugh:
Yes, it's now obvious that R8 was completely destroyed in the 1973 Targa Florio and so played no further part in the Porsche racing department's history.
There were, according to the factory records, four of the 1974 RSR turbo Carrera cars built. The first was 911 360 0576, (R5). That car has now been converted back into its original RSR form by Gunnar racing.
The other three cars were built on the 1974 "G" type chassis and were:
911 460 9016 (R9).
911 460 9101 (R12).
911 460 9102 (R13).
The chassis numbering denotes lightweight chassis, originally intended to be RS/RSR 3.0s.
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Just when you thought this thread was dead--Nickolay writes again!
This weekend I find out that Car #62 from Le Mans test weekend & 4 hour Le Mans was R5, not R6 as well as records show.
The Car #62 was with flag mirror and at all of the pictures that I have until 24 hour LeMans R6 (911 360 0588) do not have any mirror. Also from the pictures from Targa Florio race there is no the holes on the left door for a flag mirror.
My picture evidences for the above – please see all my remarks at attached pictures.
Also in the post #315 Hugh Hodges said: “…. I think it helps identify car 62 as not being R6 which means that it MUST be R2 IF indeed R2 was the other car there that weekend as the records seem to say. “ After a lot of time the thread emerged that R2 was Car #61 from Le Mans test weekend, but for Car #62 nothing was said then.
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From Singer's Notes: #61 at LM Test was R2; #62 (and #41 at Spa) was R7!
Let the Debate Begin!!