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Thanks for posting. I missed the original post back in October. It's always startling to see what an early car will do in the hands of a capable driver. My limitations behind the wheel would get me into serious trouble on a course like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickb4
-Dave
For sale on eBay...VIN 9113310381
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1973-...item3ccd261f07
The air cleaner on that car is so wrong it's almost comical. 69-70-71
Doh!
Tom
Well it's got earlier mag stacks to go with the wrong air cleaner. So, it's at least a set ;)
I left some meat on the bones for others to pick. :roll eyes:
Tom
Agree that the lack of orginal motor is a major deficiency...
"Engine: In 1987, the 2.4S engine was replaced with a high performance 2.7 engine first built by Gary Pumroy, who now has a shop in Albuquerque. The engine has "solex" cams (between early E-S). In November 2007, this engine was rebuilt by Jay Moore (Air Cooled Only) of Prescott, AZ. Jay had been trained and worked for many years by Andial. He knows the early cars. There is about 2000 miles on the rebuilt engine as the car is only used for club events.
Jay rebuilt the Weber carbs in 2006. The transmission was also rebuilt at approximately that time and a Weltmeister short shift kit was added.
The engine compression was boosted to 9.2 to 1 with C & E pistons and the "solex" cams were retained. The car is equipped with a radiator-type auxiliary oil cooler with metal lines and thermostat from an early Porsche race car. The car runs very cool and uses 91 octane fuel, with no additives added. Jay Moore estimated that the car, which is close to 73 Carrera RS specs, develops about 230 h.p."
I wonder what the engine actually is from?
Interesting observation. One thing I have learned is that under the right circumstances (a hapless owner with money is one) mechanics can "make work" where none may be needed. I'm not saying that's what happened here. Apparently the various cooks never got the "roux" exactly to taste.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by 72targa
My '73 now owned by Bobby Smith had the engine "built" around the time of this car's 1st rebuild-build. Still one of the best running 2.4 911s I've had the privilege to own.
And it did kick a second gen. Z06 (505hp) in an autocross along with many years of other wins over stiff competition. That engine was done right the 1st time.
That dog WILL HUNT.
Yes, done right the first time indeed. I still carry the engine rebuild receipt in the the glove box. Almost $20K in 1989 dollars for engine and a few other items. Still dry as a bone and runs STRONG! Sam (P owner) was never one to ask how much will it cost. He just said "do it".Quote:
Originally Posted by sithot
Keeping your foot in a good running 2.4S can embarrass most of the rest…...... ;)Quote:
Still one of the best running 2.4 911s I've had the privilege to own.
A to the men.
1970 911s - All original - #s match etc - $100000 (coastside/pescadero)
No affiliation
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/3657860452.html
Left a VM with the guy a couple days ago, no response back. Anyone else try?Quote:
Originally Posted by 72targa
Idles nice; At 1,800 rpm...:rolleyes:
Ansa muffler. Paint looks good at 30 feet. Doors don't fit and the color isn't the same. Homogenous is the word.
Tom
I think the seller posted a 'value check' thread on this car a couple months ago. Maybe someone can dig that up as I can't find it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by 72targa
I couldn't find it either after checking a few keywords, looks like it was deleted.Quote:
Originally Posted by beh911
Have you seen the car in person, Tom?Quote:
Originally Posted by sithot
Yes. It was deleted. No idea why. It was viewable in Google's cache until a couple days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by radiocure
119301484.Quote:
Originally Posted by 210bhp
This car has been discussed before. From those photos, that repaint doesn't look to be the original color, which was a very unusual Beige Metallic.
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...avily-Optioned
9112310310 on eBay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-...item3380a725d6
What cracks me up about Beverly Hills Car Club is that they start out with a lie.
I particularly like that they used Shirley Bassey's Goldfinger
http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/
Hilarious...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Gris
I have to wonder whether it is an honest auction. The car is really rough, the price is already pretty full with five days to run in the auction. How can we know?Quote:
Originally Posted by 72targa
That building does not look that big. Maybe the cars are stored in Beverly Hills. And the other bdlg is their workshop? I dont know any you guys been there. Or just speculating.
Appears to be legitimate based on feedback scores. 106 and very positive from the ones I viewed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom F.
The seller Alex is pretty well known in these parts for being a (shall we say....) a not so straight shooter in the 930 community. High prices, low quality cars....I would say buyer beware....
I have been in that building and that is where all those cars are at. It looks very unassuming from the front however its is huge inside.
I've always wondered about this dealer. They really know how to show a car's good side. ;)
why pay a premium for the BH location? who knows maybe they are holding out for a prime location while temporarily riding a slow economy in the collectibles. A BH address would be very pricey for a place this size not to mention the taxes!
Sure, Rich, but would you run an ad telling people to come visit you in San Marino?Quote:
Originally Posted by EARLY911ZOO
San Marino? Good idea! http://www.maranellorosso.com/file/inglese/dove.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Gris
well San Marino Calif is not bad but its way more bedroom like than BH. its not known for anything but some old money and large estates. no cool strips or noteworthy shopping areas.
kinda of a slow empty feeling in that town.
Has this one been discussed.?...http://www.motorclassiccorp.com/1967-porsche-911-s.html
No mine and price not listed.
No info on this particular car but I've had interaction with the dealer before on a vintage Ferrari. They knew their s**t. My impression is that they were the kind of shop that got top $ for their cars but that the cars were generally worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louie
What's the price?
"Has this one been discussed.?...http://www.motorclassiccorp.com/1967-porsche-911-s.html"
Have personally looked this car over. If anyone is seriously interested, PM me.
Potentialy an interesting car, even if not perfect. Said in the ad to be the last 2.4S serie F produced:
http://www.autoscout24.it/Details.as...000&asrc=st|as
I opened a 3D on that car some months ago ... hope you can find somebody who is able to deal with the owner ... all the interested people who tried to buy the car when she was on sale at around 60K Euro gave up ...Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidR
Hi Massimo, I looked to you 3d. Indeed, there is a lot of work to ripristine the car.
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Wow. Are all the good cars gone? Looks like a rough bunch for big $$$
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Originally Posted by 72targa
Just to complete the story: the car sold about 9 days after the listing ended (topped out at $80,100) at $95,000. Went to Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickb4
On eBay
1973 Porsche 911S Sunroof Coupe
All Matching Numbers: VIN # 9113301032 ENGINE # 6331585 TRANSMISSION # 338172
EXTERIOR COLOR/CODE: original color: Diamond Silver Metallic repaint: Grand Prix White /908
INTERIOR MATERIAL/COLOR: Black Leather/Recaro Sport Seats
CURRENT MILEAGE: 123,428
for more pictures and info go to: dasring.com/911S for sale.htm
This is a fully sorted and drivable 911S. It has spent its entire life as a street driven Porsche and has provided all of its owners with a great deal of Driving in its Purest Form.
All the mechanics are a 10/10. The paint is 8/10 on a street level. The interior is 8/10. The refurb on this vehicle was done to a very high street level. This Porsche is not a “hanger queen”. If you are looking for a perfect 911S to sit in a garage and polish this is not it. If you want a 911S that is fully sorted and can be driven any where, this is it. Engine runs great, has less than 50K on rebuild. 5 speed 915 transmission is one of the best I have had the pleasure to drive. The syncro’s have that perfect Porsche feel..if you know Porsche’s, you know what I mean.
This is a 34 year old high performance sports car. I have put over 200 hours into fixing all those things that wear out in the life of a performance vehicle. The workmanship is all done in a professional manor in a shop that has serviced, repaired and restored Porsche 911’s for over 30 years. This is not your usual cover up the rust and give it a shiny paint job and call it restored…this car has been carefully brought back to as new condition mechanically. If you want to make the vehicle near perfect, you could invest in a paint job and do some detail work on the interior. I chose to put my time and money into the actual mechanics of the vehicle. I find nothing worse than seeing a new paint job on a vehicle that is a mechanical wreck.
This vehicle was under our shops repair from 07/05/1978-06/06/2002. The first mileage I have on the car was 34,144. With the exception of a period around 1996-99, all service was been performed by my shop, Nurburgring, Inc. I rebuilt the engine at 77,846 miles in June of 1984.
The owner of the car in the late 80’s became “bored” with the vehicle and had the body repainted in Grand Prix White with PORSCHE side scripts. The original color was Diamond Silver Metallic. In 1995 the vehicle was involved in a “fender bender” accident and the right front fender replaced. There is no evidence of any structural damage. The car was completely repainted in the same Grand Prix White. The paint work was completed June, 1996.
Many, many pages of info follow the link: http://www.dasring.com/911S%20for%20sale.htm
No affiliation
I don't mean to knit pick but why does he think the car is 34 years old?
VIN = 9113301032
Eng# = 6331585
Trans# 338172
I remember seeing this exact car, at this exact site, w/ the exact same text, and these exact same pics --- maybe . . . . 5 years ago . . . when I first started looking for a car
Price was in the 80s?, as I recall
Always wondered what happened to it
Just listed...1967 911S...$245,000. (not mine)
I have seen this car and it is very very nice.
http://www.truspeedmotorcars.com/car...s.php?cid=2189
Rear lid isn't painted correctly; Missing black out area under the grill. (I'm not buying into the original paint story.) The decal area is just a little too nice. Of course, the decals are reproductions. Not a big deal but certainly makes one question how much it's been "dolled up." I'd like to look at the front fenders too. Check width on the lips. Could be later '68 > pieces. Distributor wires are incorrectly routed too. Missing the wire looms.
Tom
Still a very nice car...Just not 245K nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by sithot
What do you fellas think about the price?
Gotta give it to them. Takes cojones to ask $245k and do it with a straight face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louie
I'd venture about $100,000 - $120,000. (CPI has it @ $90K and Hagerty @$104,000.) *Hagerty tend to value higher which I suppose is a function of their database which would have more cars than CPI can track from real sales.
I'm not taking into account that there really needs to be an up close and personal with the car to address the aforementioned "issues".
I liked the 67N for sale here better.http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...967-911-307343
Honest car, honest description, honest seller. In fact that car was priced right on the money for #2.
In fact a #1 "Normal" car according to Hagerty is $94,000 vs. $104,000 for a #1 "S"!
Tom
Don't see "S" stamped on those carbs, either. Aside from that, what Tom said.
$245K?!? Are people really expecting these early esses to go into Dino territory?
Very often, those Hagerty values bear no relation to reality. This is one of those times.Quote:
Originally Posted by sithot
Hagerty admits that their pricing guides are not taking into account private sales. (Dig around on this site for conversations about previous high $100s low $200s sales.)
Or put another way, show me a #1 67S for $104k and I will buy one (or more). Based on real sales over the last 18 months I would think a car like that would be worth $175-200k. With the later longhood esses selling in the mid $100s its conceivable that this car could sell for $185-220. Who knows.
what a great looking car for the money. If that car were an S imagine what the market would pay!
Quote:
Originally Posted by sithot
With the Gold market sorely hurting after yesterday you may be right. Stock market is still a crapshoot and easily manipulated on low volume.
Today's "Early S Special" is: Fiat Currency, Gold or Roll Your Own. (pun intended). ;)
Tom
Sorry to report that our '69 S Targa was sold today to a German buyer. Sorry only because we would have liked to have it stay here.
However, this was our third eBay auction and the car had been advertised in the US for 7 months. All of the serious offers came from European buyers.
Sale price $76,500
I had exactly the same experience selling my original paint 73.5 T Targa. Check out the prices at Janzen Klassik to get an idea of what the values are over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Gris
Frustrating. You know I'm going to later hear whining from several guys whose wives disallowed the purchase. Somehow I never get that from European buyers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom F.
My post was not a put down of Janzen, at all. In fact, he seems like one of the few guys in the world who truly appreciates these cars and what it means to be original. His prices are what the German market will bear, which are much higher than Americans will pay. My old car sold very quickly, so I guess that he got asking or close to it. The number made my jaw drop, especially because I don't think that he did much, if anything, to the car, it sold in much the same condition as I last had it. I will add that my transaction with Janzen was through an intermediary and that everyone involved was reliable and honest. Anyone selling an early 911 in good condition should be aware that the prices in Germany are higher than they are here.
I heard through the grapevine that Buck Lewis sold his 69S at asking price. I really liked this car...
http://autokennel.com/AutoKennel/old...ornia_Car.html
1973 2.4 S coupe $214K
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnMTZdIrIJw
That's the Gooding S featured here.Quote:
Originally Posted by EARLY911ZOO
VIN: 9113300738
Engine: 6331156
"Who is buying what" is a topic of conversation lately. Murmerings that the market might be slowing down because Europeans seem to be buying less simply doesn't hold water.
I do find it amusing that just a few years ago Europeans wouldn't get near a Targa.
For reference...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr9146
VIN #119300671
For reference . . .
VIN = 911300671
Eng# = 6390967
Trans# = ?
From AutoKennel . . .
. . . The 1969 911 S cars are finally coming into their own. This was a unique transition year for Porsche and as a result, one of the best 911s was produced. The 1969 S had one of the lightest chassis as well as a 2.0 Liter engine derived directly from its race program. Making use of the new mechanical fuel injection, these motors produced 170hp. This combination with the longer and lighter chassis produced a racecar for the street . . .
. . . Competition Motors of Southern California delivered this Porsche new on April 24th, 1969. John Von Neumann, Porsche and Ferrari racer, owned this famous Porsche dealership in the Los Angeles area. He sold many Porsches to the local Hollywood crowd including James Dean’s infamous 550 Spyder . . .
. . . This Porsche was very nicely ordered with the following options per the original bill of sale:
..Outside mirror right side
..2 Headrests in leather
..Lock for front luggage compartment
..1 Antenna
..Special paint (two stage with clear silver metallic)
..Standard leather seats
..Tinted side windows for coupe
..Tinted rear window for coupe
..1 Loudspeaker
..Steering wheel lock
..Electric operated steel sunroof
The total MSRP with options was $8,923.15
. . . Some existing and unique original elements of this car include:
..Original 3-bar chrome engine grill
..Original “orange-bar” Porsche hood badge
..Original in-dash fog light switch (working)
..Original cig. lighter (working)
..Original Euro Spec turn signal assemblies
..Original battery box cover
..Original rocker panels with deco
..Original California black license plates
..Original Sigla windshield
..Original (rare) single stage rear window defroster
..Original carpet (missing driver side floor piece)
..Complete original interior
..Car has never been apart
..All glass is original (except aftermarket windscreen…original is included with the car)
. . . The first owner used the car as a daily driver and within the first 6-years racked up nearly 94,000 miles. We have all the dealer stamps in the maintenance book showing that the car was properly serviced. Reportedly, the original owner had health issues and by the late 70’s/early 80’s the car was no longer being used on a regular basis. By the mid-90’s the car was sold to the 2nd owner who was a retired stonemason. He had done some work for the original owner and remarked that he always wanted a Porsche so the owner gave the car to him as partial payment for work. This owner, although he loved the car, really wasn’t a Porsche enthusiast. Shortly after he purchased the car, he removed the original wheels and installed some chrome 16” Fuchs and had the car repainted. Then, he encountered health issues and the car ended up being covered in a carport until the current owner found it in the early 2000’s. The car had been sitting but with a little coaxing, it fired right up and he drove it home . . .
. . . Under careful inspection, they found the chassis to be extremely dry with no signs of rust or damage of any kind. Basically, the car only needed mechanical attention. So, for the next 10-years and nearly $50,000, the current owner made this truly one of the nicest and tightest driving early 911 S cars I’ve ever experienced . . .
. . . The current owner is truly meticulous and likes his cars to drive a particular way. As a result, this Porsche went through three engine evolutions in the constant quest for the “perfect” set-up. He wanted something with good power and torque but also very drivable. The first step was having Tim Ball (well-respected factory trained Porsche tech) open the motor and make sure everything was ok. The motor was a bit tired, so he began by going through the injection components to wake things up. The throttle bodies, stacks, and linkage were sent out to Eurometrix for a complete rebuild and Gus at Pacific rebuilt the MFI pump. He also found that Carrera chain tensioners were already installed . . .
. . . After a bit of driving, the current owner was getting used to the 2.0L set up but the motor still was tired and needed attention. So, he went back to Tim to have more extensive engine build done. They discussed different options and decided on something that would be more period-correct with a race modified S motor. This build included opening the bottom end, inspecting the original crank, and installing 2.2 E pistons, cylinders, and heads. The final result was a joy to drive. The owner absolutely loved the free-revving feel of the motor . . .
. . . Unfortunately, the case started developing some oil pressure issues. The owner knew that the case needed to be opened up and fixed. At this point, he employed the father & son team of Tony and Marco Gerace of www.TLGAuto.com to do a complete engine rebuild. TLG is one of the most respected Porsche shops on the West Coast. They are known for doing great work on many Early S and R Gruppe member cars. The goal was to make a strong and reliable motor that had lots of low-end torque without out loosing the high-revving characteristics of an Early S engine. While working on the motor, Tony was impressed with the head-work and general motor work done by Tim . . .
. . . The following was performed:
*..Ollies refurbished the engine case, which was boat tailed, decked, and had some minor repairs to make sure there was no leaking. They set it up so that the engine would oil itself more efficiently. It was also line-bored. The end result was a dry engine that would not over-heat.
*..A 70.4mm crank was installed along with the new 2.2 E Heads and the new S cams.
*..Plates were installed in the motor to help bring compression up to around 9.5-9.8:1.
*..Stock 911 S oil cooler with bumper vents. Even on hot days, the oil temp rarely goes above 180 degrees. Engine runs very cool.
*..So effectively, the end result was a stroker 2.5L engine with a 7,500-rpm capability and tons of low-end torque like a 2.7L. Tony went back and modified the case to house an SC oil pump and modified the oil passages and returns to increase oil flow for reliability and to help it run cooler . . .
. . . Along with the engine enhancements, the following items were installed or refurbished:
..Rebuilt original S brake calipers
..Rebuilt master cylinder
..New stainless steel brake lines
..Cross-drilled rotors
..Rebuilt pedal assembly
..Stock sway bars
..Adjustable drop links on front sway bar.
..Reinforced sway bar mounts
..New stock suspension bushings
..26mm rear torsion bar
..17mm front torsion bar
..Koni shocks replaced.
..Rebuilt wheel bearings
..Adjustable rear spring plates
..Turbo tie-rods.
..SSI stainless heat exchangers with thermal coated Dansk sport muffler.
..Turbo valve covers
..Aftermarket through-the-grill fog lights.
..Porsche short-shift kit
. . . The end result was magnificent. This car is EXACTLY how an Early S should drive . . .
. . . It is so refreshing to find a car so complete with all of its original bits and with no damage. The owner truly was careful about preserving what he had. The chassis is bone dry without a drop of oil or any signs of rust/abuse. The paint is not the original shade of silver but is presentable and fits the look of the car. The current owner painted the center stripe and installed 911 R decals on the rockers. The 15x6 steel wheels, sport muffler, and fog lights complete the look. This Porsche has just the right amount of “early-style” sport-purpose/R Gruppe attitude. The interior is very nice and original. The door panels are complete and look great. The car still has most of its original carpet. The dash is near perfect with no cracks or warping. The original sun visors are decent with just a slight amount of puffing. The headliner is original and is showing some slight discoloration as well as wear by the sunroof zipper. The 1979 Momo Mario Andretti “signature series” steering wheel looks great. All the gauges appear to work properly . . .
. . . This is one of those Porsches you can enjoy today and when you are ready, bring it to the next level to command all the value. It is a very complete car with nearly all of its original bits and pieces. Combine this with fresh mechanicals and a dry/straight chassis…you can do the math . . .
. . . Included with this Porsche are the following items:
*..Most receipts from current owner
*..Original owner’s manuals
*..Original complete set of keys
*..Original maintenance record book with jacket
*..Original spare (with possibly the original spare tire)
*..Original jack
*..Original tool kit
*..Original radio/antenna manual
*..Original bill of sale
*..Original leather front seats and headrests
*..Original front steel bumper with deco trim, bumperettes, and original front black license plate
*..Original rear reflectors
*..Original side aluminum rocker trim
*..Complete brightwork kit for the car including aluminum trim for the wheel arches
*..Original horn grills
*..Original heads, pistons, valve covers, and chain boxes
*..Manual sunroof actuator
*..Original headlights
*..Original Sigla windshield in good condition with original rear view mirror still attached
*..Original rear seatbelts
*..NOS door window felt, rear deck lid, and front hood weather-stripping
*..NOS license panel and front hood bumper gaskets
. . . offerred at $99,990
(Not mine)
here are a couple images. pretty car!
Attachment 254624
Attachment 254625
Who sells o makes these wheels ? are they 7 x 15 ?
Yes, these look great. I'm interested too if they're produced somewhere. Looks like 904 wheels...
Attachment 254736
Erik
Very early S just came for sale...in 'barn find' condition.
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/2092...ta_order_spec=[%27-value_low%27]&back_to_year=2003&date_range=future&main_index=lo t&department=&query=porsche&create_facets=False&va lue_data_range_display=
That would be Leaky Barn-find condition. Pretty sure that car could not be put up on a lift. the metal mice have had their way with it for decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louie
And whoever put a hinged glass sunroof on that car should be drawn and quartered.
Ha ha. Put that on a lift and you'll find another "hinge";)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Gris
Restoration shops and suppliers are wringing their hands in delight over another candidate for cubic dollars.
^^^^^
Bonhams car:
The ex-Porsche Cars GB press fleet, earliest right-hand drive 911S imported into the UK
1966 Porsche 911S 'SWB' Coupé
Registration no. LYY 911D
Chassis no. 305328
Engine no. 960043
Attachment 255036
Manufactured in 1966, chassis number '305328' is the earliest right-hand drive 911S imported into the UK. It is an early, short-wheelbase car of the type much favoured by the historic rallying fraternity, a situation that has led to unmodified examples such as this one becoming a great rarity. Originally white, 'LYY 911D' was tested by The Autocar magazine (14th October 1966 edition, copy article available) which described it as an 'outstanding 2-litre GT with sparkling acceleration and high top speed. Exceptionally light controls with fade-free brakes and excellent steering.' The highly respected motoring journal observed that care needed to be taken in wet conditions and that the rear seating was merely 'occasional', while praising the 'comfortable ride and seating' of a 'well finished, high precision car'.
In the current vendor's possession since 1988, 'LYY 911D' has been off the road since 1979 and is presented in 'barn find' condition and sold strictly as viewed. Mostly complete, it comes with a spare door, lights and wheel. Accompanying documentation consists of two old tax discs and email printouts from Porsche Club Great Britain Archivist, Peter Cook, confirming its provenance.
No reserve.
anyone know if this is the matching number and correct engine for this car (bonhams)
I've seen this car; it's actually a kit 911 made from a Skoda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxwOKwFIMpg
Happened upon a July 1990 edition of Hemmings here at the cottage that I would have bought at the news stand. This ad is representative of what was advertised for sale:
PORSCHE 1973 911S coupe, factory A/C, sunroof, pw, orig, rust/accident-free, runs excellent, thousands in receipts, $19,500 PH 415-591-xxx, or 344-xxxx, CA.
File that under "if only"
In 23 years it would have been no problem to turn that $19,500 into $200,000 and considering the time-line, probably a lot more with prudent work.
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas! :D
There is no future in the past.
Tom
Amen Tomas!
When one lives in the woulda, shoulda, couldas of life they are destined to live a life of torment. These people are to be truly pitied.
There aren't many of us who don't have at least one story of heroism in our chosen area of earthly treasure hunting. Why is it that we think we are entitled to more than that?
Amen +1........."There aren't many of us who don't have at least one story of heroism in our chosen area of earthly treasure hunting. Why is it that we think we are entitled to more than that?" very well put, tho I'll answer "because we can"
also because of the economic mess we're in, more and more people are grabbing hold of "our":rolleyes: little limited supply of a very cool and enjoyable/driveable commodity and using them as if a negotiable instrument.
trade in your CD's for a longhood (s)... satisfaction guaranteed...or put in Canadian banks..EH?: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...banking-system
Too funny. Thanks!
Amen+1 more. Speedster #1 1495.00 '63, #2 3000.00 '73, #3 39,000.00 '90, #4 51,000.00 '97, #5 60,000.00 GT parts pile no engine '98, #6 70+ '02, and on and on. They were all expensive at the time! There is no looking back! There are many more that I had the pole position for but did not act. Those are the ones that got away, my read it and weep wall of photos. A 550 for... No looking back. Just enjoy what you have!
Amen-1. Coulda, woulda, shoulda has nothing to do with it, as I wasn't even looking at buying a 911 back in 1990. If memory serves me correctly I bought that edition of Hemmings in search of a K code '66 Mustang 2+2.
I actually found the 911S ad to be more a matter of curiosity and humour than anything else. Just think, in the same magazine you could have spent almost twice that amount and been the proud owner of an '86 928s. Now that's really funny (or for some, merely an illustration of how relative values can change over time).
Brent,
If the term "if only" in your original post doesn't imply at least a subtle bit of regret, what does it mean?
Contrary to what postmodernism promotes, words matter. A LOT.
This is a wonderful discussion as it hits at the very heart of what motivates us to buy.
Over the years I have had dear customers that have owned very "average" Porsches and if I had the chance to own those cars I would be inclined to purchase them before some remarkably good "investment" car. Memories are priceless.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Beck
Well Frank, since you asked, the words "file that under if only" (as it pertains to my situation) would have been amplified by the words "if only I had actually been looking for a Porsche 911s back in 1990, I might have came across this nice sounding specimen". However, since I wasn't even in the market at the time, how could there be any regret? Only mild curiosity about the state of 911 prices back in 1990 upon coming across this old Hemmings yesterday at the cottage. I won't tell you how much my cottage has gone up in value since 1990, as that would put 911 price appreciation to shame.
I could just as easily have ended my post with the observation "file that under g for garbage", since the past is the past and of no relevance to the present insofar as car values are concerned.
The interesting thing about the print version of Hemmings (and other printed publications) is that you can actually go back and ascertain what relative values were. The internet doesn't allow for archiving of information in this manner, unless you want to rely on some third party's representations about what relative values were.
BTW: I never did find a K code '66 Mustang 2+2 that was to my liking and have no regrets about that either. In retrospect, why would anyone want a car that is without 4 wheel fully independent suspension?
Other people, might have their own interpretations of "if only", borne out of their own unique circumstances. Those are mine.
what goes up comes down...can you guys say bubble? i'd be careful buying at the top.
they're fun to drive , but really...
I'd be interested in your thoughts/critique on this reputed '70 911S that sold on Ebay for $40k. The listing is shy of a few key details (an understatement) and no pics of the engine:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-...orcev4exp=true
That one is gone and so it this one. The photography reminds me of the joke "wouldn't look good in dark alley with a bright light behind her".
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RARE-...#ht_500wt_1182
Watched that one as well, inquired about the car and wanting to see more pictures but that never came. Is that an 'E' engine I see?
Quote:
Originally Posted by sithot
To answer my own question, this EBay listing was obviously fishy, as it has now totally disappeared from EBay. Here's the only evidence I have that it ever existed:Quote:
Originally Posted by BrentF
http://i43.tinypic.com/2w36ey1.png
there were several bogies this week with barely one line descriptions...a 74 MFI Carrera, that 70S, a 69S coupe, 73 CIS Targa ect...all have been removed
because they were fakes, scams whatever.
here's an ebay deal....item #231008166942. 1966 911. I reported it. just in case.
I don't remember if this one have already been posted ...
http://www.europeancollectables.com/..._inv_id=Po2856
VIN: 9113300145
http://www.europeancollectables.com/...s/Po2856-6.jpg
Considering the staggering sum for which these cars are now selling, might not the buyer want: correct black "Porsche" and "911S" metal lettering for the engine lid; correct color turn signal lenses in front; a tool kit that is complete and doesn't look like it was found in the $5.00 bin at a swap meet; a wood plank for the sleeve in the front trunk carpet; a Can Am decal for the right rear window; a license plate that doesn't look like it was run over by an Abrams tank; and maybe just a little less Amor All in the engine compartment? And since the car has been repainted, why is there so much chipping on the front spoiler?
Metal lettering might just be discolored ... it often happens ... but that's not the case, since they're golden :(
European Collectables listing says sale pending. What were they asking?
Mark
For you adventurous types...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-...#ht_500wt_1182
This one belongs in the S section. This is an interesting situation. The car was burned up in a fire but is numbers matching. I'm no metallurgist but the temperature of the fire would be an important piece of information in order to determine if the tensile strength of the steel or magnesium was undermined.Quote:
Originally Posted by schnell
Scary proposition
One owner '67 911S $169,500
http://www.autotraderclassics.com/cl...-1163051.xhtml
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/4558/a6v3.png
Although bipolar on the issue, I am 80% of the way to letting go of my 69S: matching numbers, COA, resto project was posted on the Registry. I think I found a steed to get into that makes letting it go worth the stretch. 26 year history in the family, and it has lived in Nevada/ No. Cal. since 1982. Not too motivated to move it, and I'm going to hold firm at my price. If it doesn't work out it wasn't meant to be. 4 interested leads in Europe if I put it on consignment at the end of the week.
For now I am only posting on the Registry, this is the opportunity to keep it in the coven :)
Shall we assume the price you mentioned 11 months ago is no longer your target? ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by NV Stig
It would be safe to say that 2013 is a new year :)
Is this the place to put 911L cars?
I imagine this one has been discussed before. It's been on eBay a couple times. '68 911L Tangerine coupe
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-...-/300931476832
http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1...upe-c-2052.htm
It's an L therefore I wasn't sure where to place it. I like the car but I can't tell what is going on with the dash.
this car sold on Ebay 2 weeks ago for $25K and nothing appears to have been added but a premium!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundaysunday
Can you provide a link?Quote:
Originally Posted by EARLY911ZOO
I search EBay daily and I did not see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EARLY911ZOO
Yea I couldn't find it either. That's why asked for the link. I'd have paid 25k all day long for that car despite its' shortcomings.
here's the link ...(correction 2 weeks ago :) )
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=221262024427
Thank you EARLY911ZOO, I don't know why I don't remember seeing it on EBay.
And now it's for sale here for ~10K more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundaysunday
http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1...upe-c-2052.htm
I don't know if this car has been discussed before on the forum.
http://www.symbolicmotors.com/detail...-10775948.html
64,000 miles.
Seems odd not to have the 'S' chin spoiler.
For reference:Quote:
Originally Posted by DOUGS73E
VIN = 9113300836
Paint code 022 = BAHIAROT (appears to be correct paint)...Quote:
Originally Posted by beh911
9113300836Quote:
Originally Posted by 72targa
Ad text:
This Porsche 911S is sequentially the 836 of only 1,430 examples built in 1973. Chassis 0836 was a special order vehicle completed at the request of Forest Lane Porsche Audi in Dallas, Texas on behalf of a prominent and highly favored local client. The original order specified a low option "S" model without "S" trim and with tinted windows as well as air conditioning with the exterior finished in the standard color of Bahia Red with black leatherette interior. No other options were specified or requested.
This Porsche remained in single family ownership from completion in the Spring of 1973 until June of 2013. In that 40-year time frame, this Porsche 911S covered only 64,424 original and well cared for miles. The family greatly treasured this particular Porsche as evidenced by a large and highly detailed documentation album consisting of records and receipts during their ownership along with tools and owner's manual and pouch.
In 1996 with 56,000 miles having been covered, this Porsche was carefully treated to a full mechanical and cosmetic rebuild that focussed on keep the car as original and correct as possible. The work continued over the next five years and cumulated in the full rebuild and refitting of the original high-output type 911/53 "S" engine.
Today, this Porsche has covered a total of 64,424 documented, original miles from new. This 911S is without any known mechanical or cosmetic defects and even the ultra-fussy original clock still functions and keeps perfect time. The original stock steering wheel is included along with the updated one shown in the inspection photos.
Rust and accident free, early 911S models are highly sought after today and few truly outstanding example find their way to market. This is particular example as such represents a very rare chance at a truly spectacular example and I encourage all interested potential buyers to contact me at their soonest convenience.
Hi nvstig , have you sold your 911S ? Did you post any pictures on the 911S registry ?
Attachment 265389
Ivory 1973 911S sunroof coupe:
http://www.parkplaceltd.com/all-cars...tual_~Year_/24
See dedicated 3D at http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ght=9113301387Quote:
Originally Posted by srogebry
this car is on ebay again?
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/1971-P...orcev4exp=true
photos are taken at Wholesale California in Costa Mesa Calif. Tom Drummond owner of this establishment. FYI
It is an "S" but it is a T, on the other hand it has all the S-Options, so it is a S or a T or so....:rolleyes:
Another Porsche surfing on the 911S-Wave.
Rene
Been removed, I wonder why it did look too good to be true or someone snapped it up?Quote:
Originally Posted by plumber
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1973-...orcev4exp=true
Quote:
Originally Posted by srogebry
1967 911s soft window targa $175K.
http://www.weiscomotorcars.com/detai...newandusedcars
. . . for future reference . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by srogebry
VIN = 500239S
Eng# = 961527
Trans# = ?
. . . Here is very hard to find 1967 Porsche 911S soft window Targa done in Albert Blue over Black. This 911S is Chassis number 500239S and Engine number 961527 and is in nice running shape. For 1967 they only built 718 soft window targas and of that only 128 where the 911S with the bigger 160HP engine with the 4-speed manual transmission. This 911S has been in a private car collection and is now for sale has had one re-paint that we know of and is the factory color that came on the car in 1967. Has a newer CD player that has been add under the dash so the dash has not been cut up. The Engine starts and runs out good and has been looked over and is ready for the new owner to play with. The last owner had used the car on three 500 mile rallys over the last two years and has not had a problem with the car. Has the stock Porsche Fuchs wheels and newer tires. All the glass is in good shape with no chips and the both side windows go up and down fine as for the back soft window the zipper is in good shape and so is the plastic window. The seat are Black leather and in good shape so are the back seats. If there is more info you need about this Porsche 911S call Paul at Weisco Motorcars for info or to set up a time to stop by for a look over the car . . .
Ebay listing...dropped price 67 S....
FYI not mine.....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=181228903073
Below is the current (as of August '13) Hagerty valuation for "1967 Porsche 911S 2dr Targa 6-cyl. 1991cc/180hp 2bbl". In the very gray area of judging classic car valuation, Hagerty may not always to accurate but seems to be one reputable benchmark.Quote:
Originally Posted by srogebry
Condition #1 = $151,000 (Condition #1 vehicles are the best in the world.)
Condition #2 = $112,000 (#2 cars could win a local or regional show. They can be former #1 cars that have been driven or have aged.)
Condition #3 = $74,500 (#3 cars could possess some, but not all of the issues of a #4 car, but they will be balanced by other factors such as a fresh paint job or a new, correct interior.)
Condition #4 = $60,700 (#4 cars are daily drivers, with flaws visible to the naked eye. "Fair" is the one word that describes a #4 car.)
Of course the descriptions are difficult to define, but the range would be large I expect, as I would the lag in time.
Can you actually purchase a #4 67 SWT for $60,700?
CPI (real sales) has it at $144,900 (excellent) $69,000 (good) $38,625 (fair)
Values have flattened for 2 months.
I'm going to suggest that Hagerty has somewhat inflated values since they rely on customer input and of course everyone has a #1 car.:rolleyes:
I know of no 67Ses in #1 condition that have sold privately or otherwise for less than the low $200s.....I do know of several that have sold in the last 6 months in the mid $200s. Canape has a 67S on offer for mid-$200s that is a fresh resto for example. (may already be sold)
Additionally I have seen no 'restoration ready' 67Sese sell for less than the mid $70s. These are cars needing at least $100k for a check writing restoration vs DIY.
Fair argument however private sales were not taken into account as they are not reliable. While they may be factual the numbers cannot be used as they are based on here-say and not a matter of public record.
Figures from auctions are always open to question as well. (There is the stuff that gets swept under the rug)
The Cobra that sold at Amelia Island in the spring hammered out at close to $750,000 didn't ultimately sell for that figure. There was an offer to buy-back the car due to some "non-disclosed issues" although the new owner wasn't seeking that. They came to an agreeable monetary consideration and he kept the car. It is being restored to the highest standard.
wasn't there also the 300k+ SWT 67S that Road Scholars had for sale (and sold) a while back? That would have been a #1 car, seeing what they usually have on offer (most of it is spectacular). I believe they were asking $350k and it sold for a bit less than that. How would that tip the balance?
Yes, I too heard about that sale.
A few more market valuation data points that I have picked up this year:
Canape had sale of a 67S (that was hot rodded) in the mid $200s. Word on the street is they have another car coming for sale that they restored for at least $250k.
There are sales happening in the mid $200s+ for tier 1 cars. I chatted with many collectors/ dealers at Monterey about the market. They all said the same thing....collectors are looking for Tier 1 67Ses to add to collections. 67Ses are rare (more so vs even 73 RSes). etc etc. I asked several well known Porsche guys, major auction house owners (owners not their reps) about the 67S market. Current market is mid to high $200s and they ALL projected the cars would reach the mid to high $300s and then stay in that range.
Over the last 6 months I also chatted up 4 high end classic Porsche shop owners about the costs of doing a ground up in today's market. (I was considering having a 73T restored at the time). Ground up restoration will cost around $150k depending on the mental work needed.
If someone buys a needy 67s...$70-80k....ships it to a well known Porsche restoration shop...waits 1-2 years to get the car back and sorted...spends around $150k...he will over $200k invested.
I had a very well known dealer offer me $200k for my 67S...a dealer. He told me that he would retail list it for $250k and take $225k.
I am keeping it.
Hagerty tracks auctions...not private sales or dealer sales.
Did any of these cars come with the 4spd as noted is in this blue 911S? I had contacted the seller and asked about what has been repaired on the car- accidents, rust etc and if the car is matching #'s and this was his response:
Thanks for the E-mail from what I have seen looks to be rust free and from what I looked up online all the numbers on the motor match what would have been put in the car from Porsche in 1967. If there is more info you would like E-mail me back or call my cell 720-939-7285.
A former member here had a 4 speed T. It was ORIGINAL and pretty sweet. Frank Beck used to service it.
Tom
The owner just emailed me and said it is a 5spd which all "S" had stock
Very few "S" were ordered with 4 speed as option ... I have seen one of them last year..
I don't have any reference for the 1967 MY, but the 1970-71 North American Porsche 911 brochure stated only a 5-speed was available on an "S".
Here is copy of a CoA with indication of transmission 230235 which is a 915/12 or 915/16 4 speed gearbox. I have seen the car and it still has this transmission so I assume that's not another weird CoA but that even in NA '73 911S could be optioned with 4 speed.
Attachment 269106
Well, it is a somewhat wonky CoA, since the paint code would have been #225. But that aside, I believe the US importer may have dictated S trim levels on all 911s and 5-speeds if manual transmissions selected. ROW cars vary widely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biancaneve
I saw this car on eBay this morning and meant to post it. I guess $50k+ is the "entry point" for an early S now? Seemed like most everything was there. Didn't find the VIN recorded here anywhere.
306346s VIN
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281210594693...#ht_842wt_1200
fast ...
Interesting Project.
For reference
306346S
Attachment 271496
Not really. A lot of early SWB's have come to the market. Many have not been real 'S' cars. Try finding a true, #'s matching, correct 67S right now for under $140K. If you want one, you must wait or buy that $50K project just off of Ebay and spend well over $150K doing it right. Lots of the real right cars never make it to the market place. Lets see when Spring rolls around. I may have one correct 67S available.
For reference.
www.ebay.com/itm/1972-PORSCHE-911S-TARGA-NO-RESERVE-/171177687106
Appears it is no longer available.
9112310020
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Attachment 272140
1972 Porsche 911s Targa. Rare collectible car and the best of the early 911 series which has skyrocketed in value.Only 989 Porsche 911s targas built in 1972.Vin # 9112310020 ( The 20th 2.4L MFI targa built) This 2.4L MFI engine pulls like a dream. This car is a good daily driver. Looks and drives excellent, but is not a show car. Recent paint in original special black color, new front suspension pan and the remainder of the body is very solid with no notable rust. Recovered seats and new carpet. New windshield, tinted glass all around. New brakes and shocks. Dash has a hairline crack. Targa top just overhauled. Engine top end rebuilt recently (less than a 1000 miles ago) by Franz Blam Racing. Engine numbers are matching to COA, but appears to be a restamp on a replacement case since it is missing a star stamp on the engine numbers. New Michelin tires and suspension alignment. Aftermarket radio, left manual antenna, front loudspeaker and noise suppression. This is your chance to own an affordable early 911s driver. Car is sold as is where is with no warranty. Non refundable deposit of $1000.00 required 24 hrs. after close of auction. Inspection is welcome before purchase, please contact Dave for more info @ 706-302-3636
1970 Porsche 911s targa. Don't get excited its a total wreck! :D
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...US_Cars_Trucks
This car was being shown in the Auburn Cord Dueseberg Museum. The storage place in which it was stored caught on fire and burned the car. It does come with a clear title. I was told it has original Porsche maintenance records and original engine and transmission. Color in burgundy
No affiliation
Hey Guys,
Canepa has sold their 67S (again). I believe this was the 3 rd time selling this car...
Near $300k from what I have been able to gather.
http://www.canepacollection.com/deta...d-8083834.html
Louie
vin 9110310513Quote:
Originally Posted by midlifecrisis
Attachment 273871Signal Green 11850151
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...US_Cars_TrucksAttachment 273870
(not mine)
No affiliation, etc., but looks like a good candidate for a resto. VIN 307120S
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...US_Cars_Trucks
1967 911S COUPE: 307120SQuote:
Originally Posted by Peanut
HISTORY: I purchased this vehicle approximately 30 years ago with the intentions of restoring this car. I have previously owned several older Porsches but consider myself a nonprofessional mechanic or body man. An appreciation for these vehicles was gained while I served in the military in Germany during the early 1970's. At the time of purchase, the vehicle was in a state of mechanical disrepair but looked very promising as a historical restoration candidate. My intentions where to restore this car as time and money became available. The vehicle looked not too dissimilar from what it does today. Outside of some questionable cosmetics such as bad paint jobs, the vehicle seems to be very original. Hopefully I can convey what is known about this vehicle to aid in bidding. Since this was a project car I started slowly with the restoration but never finished. Approximately 26 years ago the car was put into a storage shed of which it still remains. The car is covered and stored off of the ground with the motor turned over by hand on a regular basis.
CONDITION:
A. PAINT: The original paint color of SLATE GREY #6601 is still on most of the car. This paint is covered by a couple of questionable paint jobs of paint over paint. What is shown in the photos is an inferior black color over the SLATE GREY color. The paint tag photo shows the original color.
B. BODY: The body does have some dents and dings. There is a noticeable 6 inch dent in the right rear fender. The front bumper has a ding. The right front fender has been replaced. The rear deck lid was repaired after a questionable fiberglass ducktail was removed. It appears that this car originally had a set of bumper guards front and rear. There is some rust or corrosion of the front pan under the battery. The underside of the car seems to be fairly solid. There is some damage around the right side jack receiver. The rims are not original but early 5 1/2 inch Fuchs. Hopefully the photos will show these short comings.
C. INTERIOR: The interior of black leatherette seems to be original. The seats are in great shape. The dash has minor cracks. The headliner is original but needs attention There is a AM FM radio. The dashboard gauges are in German. PLEASE NOTE: The speedometer reads 42415 Kilometers not miles.
D. ENGINE & TRANSMISSION: The engine and transmission appear to be original to the car. The transmission #104051 901.02 was rebuilt by a local Porsche mechanic. This was part of a mechanical problem when I first purchased the car. The first gear syncro was replaced as well as a new clutch installed. The engine# 961033 appears to be correct. The engine ran strong when placed into storage and still turns freely. I never got into the engine but believe it to have its original interior parts such as the original chain tensioners. The carburetors are the correct Weber 40 IDS 3C & 40 IDS 3C1. The engine has scratches on some of its numbers. The engine case number is 901.02 # 7570.
E. WARRANTY, SHIPPING, & PAYMENT: The vehicle is being sold as is with no warranty expressed or implied. The vehicle is located in the State of Montana, USA. All shipping will be the sole responsiblity of the buyer. The vehicle has a clear title. A successful bidder must contact me within 24 hours of the close of the auction with a $500 deposit and the remaining sum paid within 72 hours of the close of the auction.
F. RESERVE: I believe this vehicle is a survivor and an excellent example of a rare and very collectable early 1967 911S PORSCHE SWB COUPE. I have placed what I consider a very reasonable reserve price on this vehicle. Hopefully someone can see my vision of a total restoration for this car. Happy bidding.
ZERO ebay feedback???
I am trying -second time- to get a phone #. not promising.
Scamalicious!
. . . Montana . . .
. . . 247 mi from Sheridan, WY
VIN = 307120S
Eng# = 961033
Trans# = 104051
(Not mine)
if its legit..it has to be worth $80k....now add a couple more bucks to restore it...
Well, let's say $200k ... http://cars.yakaz.com/porsche-1967-9...09e96gf6fbt8euQuote:
Originally Posted by Louie
Hmmmmm no buy it now price seller says.
If this is a survivor what did the ones that got out "unscathed" look like?
Tom
There are "Montana survivors" that are not to be confused with "California survivors."Quote:
Originally Posted by sithot
Bravo! LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Gris
9111300330 at BHCC...
http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1...oof-c-2402.htm
9113310501 at Brighton Motorsports
http://www.brightonmotorsports.com/node/1479
'69S at motorclassiccorp.com...
http://www.motorclassiccorp.com/1969-porsche-911s.html
No affiliation:
Music City Motorsports - Nashville, TN
http://www.jpfrazier.com/detail-1969...-11448400.html
$98,700 (Buy it Now on EBay price)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...US_Cars_Trucks
Appears to have sold for $77,600 today. A VERY strange auction with curt one-liner responses my inquiries and very little info actually presented. The car is actually in Montana from the photos... I'd like to know if it was a real deal or not just to satisfy my curiosity and to know if the guy that outbid me actually gets a car ;) Lotta jack for a car you couldn't even discuss with the seller on the phone!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peanut
Interesting. That behavior is reminiscent of someone... if only I could remember who...Quote:
Originally Posted by friggens
Legit seller and buyer. New owner joined this site today and posted. He and I also chatted on the phone. Very nice and enthusiastic new owner who is going to restore the car right...slate grey/ black 67s. Can't go wrong there.
Thanks Louie! I had an email exchange with leftfoot yesterday as well. Sounds like that auction was the better end of what many were imagining. How many early Esses are out there like that hiding in or next to the barn? cheers and happy new year!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Louie
Not sure what to make of this ad/VIN...
http://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/4198414102.html
Henry's ad has been floating at Pelican for a while...Quote:
Originally Posted by 72targa
VIN = 91123011275
I actually called on that car and asked for his bottom line last Sunday and was told 85000 buys the car it did not meet reserve on eBay and highest bidder went to 78000. Anyway I said deal based on see all original paperwork on car and COA proving it had matching numbers. I've been calling them all week and no return phone calls. I has Richard Sloan from Sloan Porsche call this evening and miraculously he got through and told me it was a non matching number car. Watch out for these guys and thanks RichardQuote:
Originally Posted by bdladd
Restamped engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by 72targa
That was rough. But my stomach held strong.;)
Naw, that guy flamed out at 72k as a potential buyer this time. That's one that won't go into the den of dismantle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Gris
. . . 1972 911S/RS 3.0 Andial Twin Plug Motorcar Vin #91123011275 Grand Prix White, Black Interior,Factory Sport Seat's ,Sunroof, BORLA SS Exhaust 3" outlet, RSR Rollbar,Turbo brake's, Stainless Steel brake lines, Euro Lenses, Charlie Front Bar,Late Carrera Rear sway bar,23mmm front torsions,27mm rear torsion bar's,21mm master cylinder, Fuch's front's 15x7- rear's 15x8 two stage annodized finish with blue Carrera Graphic's. Bright Metal trim newly re plated, RS Door panels, exquisite condition, detailed by Bill Larzelier & Paint by Jim Torres Burbank Coachworks, Photo's available . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by 72targa
Price $175,000.00 Contact Henry 805-558-7473 . . .
. . . and . . .
. . . 1972 Porsche 911S/RS
odometer: 64000
VIN: 9110981275 . . .
(Not mine)
Not even one 'teaser' photo in the ad!?
I sent an e-mail asking for confirming VIN and some pics ... let you know ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DOUGS73E
One small picture on the PCA websiteQuote:
Originally Posted by DOUGS73E
http://www.pca.org/TheMart/AdDetails.aspx?adid=13076
It gets bigger if you click on the thumbnail...Quote:
Originally Posted by nickb4
Attachment 277429
You would think I should know how to navigate a website by now. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Simmeth
Car looks very nice and enough has been modified on this car where someone can actually drive it.
Gotta love the internet - someone winds up a mod on a forum by posting in the wrong section so they get banned. This is then translated into them being a dodgy purveyor of all things auto and should avoided at all costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Gris
No connection with anyone or anything on this thread - just thought the above was funny thats all :)
1973 911S converted Sportomatic on eBay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...-/111257813869
The listing seller is not exactly being explicit about the Sportomatic, but engine number and CoA are there to be seen. Appears to be a nice car and certainly a nice period color.
I know the car. A friend owns it, nice.
Not sure if this one has been featured here:
http://www.anamera.com/en/detail/car...cache=1&ret=63
They are asking $300k.
72 911S.
vin 9112300952Quote:
Originally Posted by jabberwocky
Holy moly. I am glad I am not in the market to buy a long hood car right now. Nice car.
Pretty amazing car and price!Quote:
Originally Posted by Louie
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Seller's Description:
This 1972 911S has lived a pampered life and remains original. The Road Scholars definition of “original” is not the same as most of the world: our definition means original, unrestored, and well-maintained.
Back in 1981 a young man named Richard Griot was looking for a new toy and found this 1972 2.4 911S. He bought it from John Hoyt of Coral Gables, Florida, who was advertising it at the time. Richard loved a clean car and spent countless hours in San Diego rubbing on this 911. His passion for cars eventually led to a career in car care with his company Griots Garage. Griots used this car to test their renowned automotive cleaning supplies and became a rolling advertisement for their products. Featured in almost all of their catalogs, this 911 is as good as they get without ever being restored.
In the mid 1990′s Richard let it go to one of his managers at Griots, Kenji. Richard kept him busy so the car became a fair weather car for cruising around the islands in the Seattle area (limits driving even more!) on nice days. Kenji spent more time on the road and he passed the torch to Mark, the President of Griots. Again the car was used sparingly and more catalog shots were taken, more products tested and more hours of rubbing consumed. Marc called us when he was sending his son to college and asked if we might be interested. We bought it and now his son’s college education should be paid for!
What I love about this car is that it can only be original once! We have had a lot of cars over the years and have found very few 42 year old cars with almost all of their original paint, let alone in this condition. I sold this car 1 1/2 years ago to one of our favorite collectors as a place holder, and just traded back for it.
The car has clearly been exceptionally well-maintained both cosmetically and mechanically. This 911S has traveled 169,000 miles and the paint is as you’d expect being rubbed on so much by true car lovers, which is to say it’s excellent. This is an opportunity to buy an original paint, documented, 2.4 liter 911S that was a one year only example with the side mounted oil door. The car is priced accordingly to its rarity and offered to the true connoisseur of original Porsches.
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'68 S (maybe) on eBay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=171219387728
Really nothing to go on 'aw shucks, I'm not an expert, but...' If you read carefully, the floor seems to be patched with flat sheet metal. No pic of engine nor suspiciously 'flared' rear quarters. Seller says he got it as a debt payment. Do you feel lucky?
Well....Do You? PUNK!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Gris
(Dirty Harry)
Not me. No way no how but thanks for sharing.
VIN is 11830257 so not an S for sure
[QUOTE= Do you feel lucky?[/QUOTE]
At 12K I feel lucky ;)
Is anyone familiar with this car? I haven't been able to find anything on it. The engine stamp is possibly a little suspect, but it could be my imagination.
- Chassis No. 9111310024
- Engine No. 6310023
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Stamp looks okay to me, but I don't see how the engine number could be correct for the chassis.
engine number coincides with the VIN
9111310024
6310023
I say matching numbers car wouldnt you say?
I do NOT say. Engine numbers split between coupes and Targas. Unless the first two dozen cars built in the 71 model year were all Targas and one came through and was rejected before drivetrain install (a possibility)... then possibly a match.Quote:
Originally Posted by EARLY911ZOO