FS: @RM Paris - 1969 Porsche 911 S Factory Rally

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Originally Posted by monaco1

The 911 S/T, from LATE 69 to 71, was a lwt 911S for competition use and available to BOTH factory werks team AND customers.
The 911 S/T was basically a 'built to order' car depending upon it's ultimate use, race / rally etc, from a long list of options - nothing was standard other than the initial M471. There was no standard spec.
Customers could also order / buy a LWT, but mechanically standard, 911S (from 1969 to 1973 / 2.0ltr, 2.2ltr & 2.4ltr engines) but with no body trim, LWT interior, bucket seats and M471 option, but for normal road use.

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More here, re the lwt 1970S, its been discussed here:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...=911s+predated

The 1970 911S (German Market) served for homologation purpose. This is the car often pictured in a period picture and while many think a kind of S/T, its rather the 1970 German Market lwt 911S in its "base spec". The red/orange one is another 1969/70 911S and was also often pictured in period literarture. Its interior is most likely the one picture here.
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...psac899c6a.jpg
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2a7b5c40.jpg
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4ff61429.jpg

monaco1,

Thank you for some great first posts and welcome.

You will find some info packed threads on this site that cover the individual cars in your summary. Below are a few

Ultimate S/T:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...mate-ST-thread

69 Competition 911:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ompetition-911

T/R:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ate-T-R-Thread

R:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...imate-R-thread

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Originally Posted by monaco1

. . . Customers could also order / buy a LWT, but mechanically standard, 911S (from 1969 to 1973 / 2.0ltr, 2.2ltr & 2.4ltr engines) but with no body trim, LWT interior, bucket seats and M471 option, but for normal road use.
I've owned several over the years, closest is similar to buying a 964 or GT3 clubsport for the road nowadays, but much, much rarer ! . . .

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Finally . . . a genuine owner/operator?

These early narrow-bodied lightweights have haunted this forum for years, hiding in the smaller corners for as long as I've been coming here . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...80-1969-S-M471
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...=rennen+models

. . . usw

You're the first person to come here + actually 'fess-up to owning one

Any stories to tell about these cars? . . . where they came from, who owned 'em, how you found 'em? . . .

. . . where they went?

And ---- most of all . . . .



. . . any pictures to share? . . .





. . . maybe some VINs?

;)



Great stuff!

Not just 1970. I am aware of that model, they were offered as the '911S Grundmodell' from 69, i've owned one.
They used one in the advertising photo's to promote the 'new up coming 2.2 Ltr engines' in later 69 (including the light ivory car in your top picture taken from the press release and poster). I have the original spec sheets for those cars somewhere in my files. A base model stripped out 911S but not really a S/T.
S/T refers to the M471 LWT chassis option for competition purposes - both narrow and wide - and then spec'd up accordingly from that basis. Not all S/T were full group 4 with wide flares and race engines and not all had the M491 option also - both Werks team cars and customer cars.

Also available were 2.4S in LWT spec with M471 chassis option. I still own a 72 car, narrow body and standard mechanically with M471 LWT chassis / panels, trimmed as a LWT, bucket seats, with no body trim, no body protection but standard mechanically. Like a RS LWT but a 2.4S instead of a 2.7 RS. Listed on the original factory build spec as 911S 2.4 M471 LWT chassis.
This is not a S/T either as post 71 when the S/T stopped, but a M471 LWT E series 2.4S.
Same as you could buy a 911 RS M471, you could also order a 911S M471 in 72 and 73. Rare but a few were built and sold to customers, and not only in Germany.
Some of the werks drivers also had these cars to use as road cars.

Michael Kaiser, amongst others, also owned one of these (1972 E series narrow, standard 2.4S, M471 LWT) which he ordered through Max Moritz and used as a road car in Europe during the 72 season whilst he was racing his 2.5 S-R. It later gained wide fenders - fitted by Moritz - and was used as a camera car for the 'Speed Merchants' film. I also used to own this car many years ago and knew it for even longer. This is one of the more widely known cars of this type. I still probably have quite a lot of photo's of that car and copies of the old road titles / chassis No's & road registration No's etc.
If it were a 71 car then it would be a narrow S/T but as from 72 it is a M471 LWT 911S.

That orange car in the black and white factory photo's is an early narrow S/T competition car from 1969 - not a Grundmodell.

Monaco1 please post photos

I would like to look at a 2.4s m471

Never seven one in my life

This thread suddenly became extremely interesting! :)

I too am enjoying this. Monoco1 please tell us what you know about the 69 GTS.

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Originally Posted by Pirulero

Monaco1 please post photos

I would like to look at a 2.4s m471

Never seven one in my life

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Everything is simply ... PERFECT ... in these pics :)