The real 73 RSR TF Winner - Porsche Factory Scam??

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Originally Posted by 210bhp

FYI
I have found this thread totally facinating and have learned so much but just to be accurate.....if this special car has bodywork/tail named after the Queen of Scots it should be Mary Stuart and not Mary Stewart
Regards
Mike

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Sorry, you are correct......and as raced in the Targa below....Mary Stuart

Here's how it appeared at Vellengua in 1973

At Lemans, photo taken by Norbert Singer himself in line for tech

Jim i will do that and ask my friend all ?, from there i will e amil you if you need anything else.

Boy, I must've been fast asleep in history class when the whole Queen of Scots thing was reviewed. After a quick Google search .... now I get it! :D

David,

Is center spread pic in the Christophorus No.107/Oct.'73 that I posted, of the #588 R6 TF winner like I assume?

If so, these two BIG races were only 6 days apart... :eek:

Cheers, and thanks for all the clarification

Yup - however, the aerodynamic advantages of her collar proved ineffective in the end...

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Originally Posted by Chuck Miller

David,

Is center spread pic in the Christophorus No.107/Oct.'73 that I posted, of the #588 R6 TF winner like I assume?

If so, these two BIG races were only 6 days apart... :eek:

Cheers, and thanks for all the clarification

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Joest and Follmer drove the 0588 at Spa. I can't confirm that the photo you posted is 0588....Muller and Van Lennep were in 0576 at SPA....then the drove 0588 at the Targa a week later...then Muller and Van Lennep drove 0686 at Lemans while Joest and Haldi drove 0588 at LeMans.....story goes that Joest ran it out of gas on purpose at Lemans. If I remember correctly Joest tells the story that the front end splitter was ripped off after going off track much earlier and with the big Mary Stuart tail going down Mulsane the front was so light there was no amount of steering input that could keep the car on track.....so he ran it out of gas cause he thought he was going to die continuing to drive it that way. I'm fuzzy on that story, so maybe someone could chime in.....

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Originally Posted by CurtEgerer

Boy, I must've been fast asleep in history class when the whole Queen of Scots thing was reviewed. After a quick Google search .... now I get it! :D

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That's a great photo......that explains it all ;-)

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Originally Posted by speedmoore

Very observant and with an interesting story.

I was there standing at the lift crane when the group photo was being shot. Norbert Singer and Kerry Morse were standing right next to me. As they began lining up for the "911" photo, they called for the Targa Florio winner and the "factory boys" started to roll up the "other car". In a firm voice I told the guy with the bull horn, "Sir, that is NOT the Targa winner. I brought the Targa Florio winner complete with Mary Stuart Tail" and it is way back there at the back corner (see other Rennsport photo with all car and you will see it way back at far right as we were the last car to get there for the photo due to late transport). The gentleman asked while looking at Norbert Singer "Mary Stuart, is he right?" Norbert looked a bit towards the ground and then said, "Yes that is the right car, Kitchak's car is the Targa Florio winner." We were then asked to push 0588 in front of the "other car" and that is what you see behind us.

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David,
Thanks a bunch for joining the thread and adding so much! Beautiful group of cars you get to work on. Below are a couple of my shots that support your story. First the museum crew and then yours.
Mark