Ultimate ST thread

For some reason racing cylinders of this vintage have an unusual spigot bore. Ernies at 94mm, 2.4 is 92mm and 2.7 at 97mm. G.Led

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Originally Posted by HughH

911 230 0841
another one subject to a lot of threads on this board
can only be described as a factory race car and test car while an ST

originally a ST, used by the factory as the basis of RSR development in early 1972 culminating as running under Strahle's name but as a factory car in July 1972 Osterreichring 1000Kms.

Used in that race, and private testing the following day overseen by engineer Singer, to test various things including ABS and 2 separate tails see here

Reported as "scrapped" on 25 August 1972 but in reality turned into RS/ RSR 911 360 0002.

Seems to be assigned to press department for at least a period of time until at least March 1973.

seems to be in some photos for FIA group 4 homologation papers still in "Strahle" livery (probably taken in September / October 1972)

Used in early photo RS sessions as the red RSR looking car with white roundels and then apparently turned into "Martini" press car to use for the announcement of Martini sponsorship in March 1973 and used in other publicity shots - see photo of "Martini car" also known as "press car in snow" taken Feb 1973 at the Porsche test track.

At Targa 1973 as T-car 107 and 108 with registration LEO ZA 60 (not sure how long had that registration - maybe for whole life in Press department)

Eventually used as race car 107 at targa due to crash of R8, the intended car #107. Placed 6th OA with Günter Steckkönig / Giulio Pucci.

After targa almost certainly the wind tunnel car in June 1973 testing the Mary Stuart tail before Le Mans that year

no record after that - current existence / whereabouts unknown

Photos
"strahle" car #5 at Osterreichring
one of the experimental tails on "Strahle" car
as RS 0002 in RS publicity photos
"press car"
as targa florio car 107

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I haven't found this piece of information on the site, so I post this here.
Sorry if this is old news.

It seems that 911 360 0002 is now in France:
http://porscheclubrsdefrance.com/registres/911-360-002/

And it seems that it was, indeed, LEO- ZA 60.

Please note that the "production number", 102 3901.

You should also post your comment and link on this 73 Targa Florio thread....

http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...r+targa+florio

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Originally Posted by stretch

If the T, is for Thierry then that's the guy. Great car !

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Two Questions, first regarding flares. I noticed on the car above that the flares look different from other ST's. Did the flares vary from the factory? Kit vs factory installed etc??
Or am I being fooled by the wheel sizes being used?

Second question would be in regards to the 69 S that recently went across the block in Europe. It was a Rally car turned road racer. Raced LeMans from 70-72 in ST trim. Would this be considered a ST car even though it's based on a 69S VIN? I have heard of two examples that fit this criteria.

Here are some details and pictures of the 1969 911 S examples I was referring to above

Chassis Number 19300644 was manufactured as a normal S by the factory and duly sent to the Werks Porsche Competition Department who converted T, E, and S specification cars into S/T Specification straight from the production line. The car was sold to Kent Frohde, resplendent in Conda Green, on the 22th September 1971. The engine- an original 2 Litre – was tuned to 242bhp. According to Kent Frohde, this was the strongest 2 litre engine that Porsche had tuned at the time.
The car was raced in Swedish racing series at the beginning of the 1970s until it was retired, and the last time it was road worthy was 1976. During 1970 to 1976 it follo§wed the evolution of race cars and was upgraded to meet the competition.
Chassis 119300644 comes complete with a large history file, containing a letter from Kent Frohde confirming its authenticity. The car has been used by its current owner on a large number of European events and rallies where it has performed well. It also benefits from a recent and documented engine rebuild.

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Here is the 1969 911 S factory car

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Trying to keep this thread alive, Mirrors this time I've noticed
Pre 72 cars have a mixture of stock mirror and Talbot mirrors
Was it an option either from the factory or in the "Kit"

I've seen a few cars with a very minimal dash cover (see photo). Was this a factory piece? Does anyone know if anyone makes a repro version? Would love to run something similar for my current project.
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Steveo; that's just perlon felt, if I'm not mistaken. I believe it was more seen in '75+ competition cars?

Gents.

Awesome information in this tread - Just beautiful cars. Thanks.

I am runnig this Porsche 911 ST replica:
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In the historic class here in Europe.
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My class rules states that we must follow homologation form from historic cars in the periode 1966 to 1971.

I am running with homologation form 3025 from 1969/1970 - Press link:

http://www.itgracingteam.dk/historien/

No cars or parts can be used after the year 1971 but if we documented or proof that Porsche or Porsche cars did participated in an FIA approved race in 1971 or before, with these parts we can apply for permission to use these parts for racing.

So here is the Big questions that i can´t seem to find the answar for:

- Did Porsche/Porsche cars ever Participated in an FIA approved race with the S Bumper.? Did any of the 20 Porsche ST race with the S bumper before 1972 and can this be documented.?

- Did Porsche/Porsche cars ever Participated in an FIA approved race with the high butterflies before 1972.? - and can this be documented.?

- Did Porsche/Porsche cars ever Participated in an FIA approved race with the 2.5 ST engine before 1972.? - and can this be documented.?

- Did Porsche/Porsche cars ever Participated in an FIA approved race with the 1972 model - oil tank on right side - in the year 1971.? and can this be documented.?

I'm in dialogue with our historical committee about these issues, so please help out and beer are on me.

Thanks - Cheers - Olsen911 - Tommy Olsen.

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- Did Porsche/Porsche cars ever Participated in an FIA approved race with the S Bumper.? Did any of the 20 Porsche ST race with the S bumper before 1972 and can this be documented.?

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Tommy,

As to this first question:
I have nothing so far that is FIA official ....
However, I have a pretty big collection of Porsche books and I just re-checked two of them that would give the best '71 to '72 visual reference to your question.

First I looked at Pascal's 'Porsches at Le Mans', a year by year picture reference of every Porsche entered and run at the race (up until 1984) My thinking is that all the factories used every bit of 'aero' available for Le Mans. Result - None of the '71 entries had a S splitter/spoiler. Only one of the seven '72 entries did not have the S splitter/spoiler.

My second reference is Weber's 'Grand Tourisme Porsche Racing History in Photographs Part I 1970-1975. The book is divided into years... Result - None of the 40 pages of '71 show an S splittler/spoiler. A very few of the of the 44 pages of '72 photos show entries without an S splittler/spoiler.

Also -
- Pascal's book also notes the specs per year and all the 911's in the '71 Le Mans were either 2245 cc's or 2380 cc's
- The title of Weber's section for 1971 is 'Still 2.3 liter - Still successful'
- The title of the section for 1972 is 'New class, new victories - The 2.5 liter cars'

Not sure if this is what you wanted to hear.... and again my reference is not FIA official...

Best,
Chuck