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It's always cool when you score an obscure part for a good price. The last one of the Speedpilot units I saw was about $2000. I'm not paying that. I saw this one pop up in Sweden and it said 2000, I passed over it, then when back, it was 2000kr. How much is a kr? I did the conversion, it was $200. Yeah, I can do $200. Pretty sure it's period correct for 1966. If anyone knows please let me know.
---Adam
I found an ad from 64, and it's close.
---Adam
Score!!!...
My friend George spotted an original photo of my car in a European auction. He was kind of enough to bid on it of me and we won! Christmas came early.
---Adam
Vic Elford 68 I think.
Hard to tell the no of buttons (early four vs later five) as functions evolved from earlier or different models:
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I have this mk V that is surplus to requirements:
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Regarding “ period correct” date best I can tell is Mk V was new around 64 certainly by 1965 so mkV is more contemporary with 911 than mk IV new which was from around 1961 (I might be wrong on the supercession but pretty likely based on wording in these dated magazine adverts where each mk is described as “new”)Quote:
Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc
Advert 1961 note the phrasing:
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Compared to 1965 wording that says the then new mk v seems to be the latest :
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So while was in market and in use at time I think the mkIV is more aligned to 356 era; the then latest mk v was possibly more correct for well heeled king’s new 1966?
There are certainly a number of speedpilot models and variants dating back to fifties so like car radios some mk are arguably more contemporary especially if fitted new by wealthy owner like a king — although such specialist kit got retained /reused by more frugal rally navigator community.
The real halda king was the late “king cog” a Bristol man called Martin Jubb but there are good navigation equipment specialists like Autochron in the U.K.
Some papers from 1966 might help:
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Some more from 70s
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You will need the correct cogs, ( ideally with natty leather case although a full set is not essential) to calibrate plus cables T connectors, clips etc
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Hope this helps.
Steve
The speed pilot range in 1963 was as described here:
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As mentioned in a previous post by 1965 the correct UK adverts were featuring the speed pilot mk V which is described in the text as “new” “improved” so more than likely it was the mk v fitted in the Kings car by 1966
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Read this link below if interested in knowing the detail of improvements of the new for circa 1965 mk V over the early sixties mkIV speed pilot. Enhancements that people who use them like the author explain why they were in practice superior for rally navigator.
https://stevemckelvie.wordpress.com/...t-differences/
On that basis more likely the mk v featuring in what I think is Vic Elford’s factory 68 Monte 911 too?
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Still featured in this 1972 accessories advert suggesting the thin pointer etc improved mk V speed master is the “most appropriate” version of speedpilot for long-hood era although some of might still have hung on to the lesser featured mk IV for that longhood decade
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The speed-pilot back then was $5 more than the better known / more commonly seen halda twin master and roughly double the single tripmaster.
Steve
Like father, like son?
https://www.icij.org/investigations/...xury-property/
While foreign aid poured in, Jordan’s King Abdullah funnelled $100m through secret companies to buy luxury homes
Close but as is a mkV I believe. I have that paper. Note the shape of pointer of example in this ad in post #52 (said to be 1964) is the distinctive bent wire like thin end used in the mkV — something referred to in the link to avoid parallax error. A feature evident in my example I posted. Further evidence it seems of change IV to V being around 64.Attachment 564686Quote:
Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc
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I’d vaguely wondered how my mkV differed to some I’d seen but never got around to it. It may not matter if these were kept and reused from one car to next car but since Adam asked for opinions it appears the answer is: a mk iv speed pilot is more date-aligned to (some of ) the 356 era and the new mk V of 64 more appropriate by the time of the introduction if 911 mid sixties then being in the market through the long-hood era. Particularly if buying new the extra features made it more accurate and easier to use for competitive co-drivers — possibly less critical for road use.
Probably the most definitive is this comment on a halda paper I have in box sling with my unit clearly the mkV was launched before August 1964:
Steve
I guess it might also depend on if Porsche had one in stock or bought one because it was ordered for the car. Porsche was always big on using what they had on hand first, before ordering new parts. This was especially true with the 356 where parts would sometimes carry over past when they were planned to by a short period, to use up stockpiled parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by 911MRP
---Adam
Be amusing if Porsche chose to penny pinch if used a several years outmoded speed pilot for the King who was no doubt a VIP customer — didn’t he trade or maybe even donate a race car to Porsche museum?