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It would be really interesting to see what the earliest official written reference to ST / SR is. I can't remember any period results calling competition 911s by any names other than "S" or "T". Anyone know different and have some evidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by HughH
If not used in competition. Why would you write it on traffic documents?
I do not think that I have made much difference between ST and SR at the factory level if not at the level of options as you said but ... record that? pff
Sorry for messing up the post I don't want to derive it!
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Fully rebuilt 1970 911 2.2 S to 2.5 ST specs.
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940 kg / 260 hp
This car has raced twice Tour Auto and once Tour of Spain before rebuilt.
Rebuilt included :
- Body stripping and painting
- lightweight bodyparts (bumpers, hood, wings, doors, windows)
- full FIA safety equipment (seat, rollcage, harness, fire extinguisher, etc.)
- original Fuch wheels (8” front and 9” rear) and tires (Michelin TB5)
- 100 liter fuel tank (original)
- new brake pads and discs, rebuild calipers, double master cylindre adjustable pedal box
- new shock absorbers
- rebuilt gearbox with reinforced intermediate plate, limited slip differential, oil pump and oil cooling system in right front wing
- rebuilt engine with 2.0 aluminium machined and shuffle-pinning crankcase, Carillo con rods, Mahle pistons and cylinders, big valves, RSR camshafts, high butterfly, double ignition, big Bosch fuel injection pump, spaghetti RSR exhaust, etc.
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Last race : Le Mans Classic 2018 Porsche Classic Race.
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If it was registered, as the rally cars were, they would/should be registered simply as 911S. That is also what the homologation papers state they are and is also the official name of that modelhttp://www.early911sregistry.org/for...post-right.png
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Originally Posted by _gonbau
So ... There is no ST registered properly that has run in any event? If not m ST registered as S, and in the street? What papers did they use? When importing ... Why would you give the ST designation to a vehicle ... Less taxes?Quote:
Originally Posted by HughH
I'm still interested in knowing what you mean by "plastic" in the other 911.
No The official designation of the cars (including in the homologation papers that they race under) is 911S. So a properly registered "ST" would have been registered as a 911S. There were lots registered for the roads especially in 1969 to 1971 as ALL rally cars were required to be road registered. I know your car's papers has "ST" on them. However that would not have been the official designation from the factory or in a factory invoice (or other paperwork). I dont know why the person importing your car would have done that BUT I think that registration authorities all over the world often just write down what they are given regardless of what is correct and probably the customs / importing people also would have just accepted what they were told. but that does not change the fact that "ST" was never the official designation of the model.
On the plastic I don't know what type of plastic it was. However official build papers for that car as well as the build papers for the 1970 Monte Carlo "ST's" both state "plastic" in the case of front fenders and bumper but say "fibre glass" for other parts. We know that the fuel tanks were made of plastic so it must have been a hard light plastic extruded part like the fuel tank. Porsche had a lot of experience with lightweight materials like that from the early / mid 1960's with the so called "plastic" prototype cars
I also have the certificate of tires of porsche Spain commented on the VIN of the car apart from the papers but, that is not the point ... It is very interesting for me what you comment on plastic! Is there any more information on the forum? There were more cars like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by HughH
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Additionally, over the years, I want to inform the reader that Dieter Fend, the importer of my vehicle, was the president and founder of the Porsche Club Pforzheim. Regarding this paragraph, I would like to clarify the issue or "insinuation" that Dieter Fend registered a vehicle simply because he told the office worker that it was an S/T and that’s how it was recorded. I want to clarify, based on Hughh comments on this matter, that given Mr. Fend’s significance and his relationship with Porsche, I don’t believe it was as "simple" as suggested. The vehicle was registered as an S/T in 1973 at the time of its importation, and since there are internal factory documents referring to the S/T model, presented in subsequent pages, I feel obliged to clarify this point. Dieter Fend, as founder, president, and racer in sports events, imported this vehicle as an S/T in that year, when "nobody" knew it existed. Therefore, without "sounding unpleasant," I want to make this clear here due to the mentioned comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by HughH
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https://cms.porsche-clubs.com/Porsch...C3%BCndung.pdf
Here is another Sunroof ST though not factory built.
1971 911S
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Can anyone tell me when the 911 ST saw its last significant race win? Meaning when did they faze out of competition
in the German series as well as any other major race series? I would guess 74 as the RSR would have been
too dominate. That being said teams would have to pay a larger price tag to get into the new RSR which might have delayed
things?
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from that picture, my attention is the front defense. Is it a preparation as I have been told that private owners were doing, were they buying little by little? Does anyone have a picture of that vehicle?