Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh...this has gotten off topic. About time to lock this thread and move on in my opinion. I am unsubscribing...now.
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Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh...this has gotten off topic. About time to lock this thread and move on in my opinion. I am unsubscribing...now.
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Originally Posted by VIper Green E
We have a technical and a general forum. If we can't B.S. or J.O. in the general forum what the heck is it for?:confused:
And if the "chosen" choose themselves the're not really chosen.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by sithot
Just B.Sn here of course but, seriously I can just see how the answers would flow to the unworthy...
Can you explain how...."NO! Now shut up!"
There have been plenty of those kinds of responses and criticizing rants here, on these boards. Who's gonna moderate your moderators?
I'm all for learning technical minutia but, I'm not going to give myself a hemmorage over it. Sounds like marketing voodoo to me.
Wow, if you look at how this Thread started, and with 2,102 views and 63 replies later, where it is now, its just unbelievable the tangent we are all on. I guess this is acceptable(smile). Please Eric L. and Jeff S. come on back to the board with replies, don't STIFLE yourselfs.:confused: :o JIM
Hey Jim, by now you've figured out that even in this specialized forum there are widely ranging standards of "correctness" in how to modify an early 911.
1- bone stock restoration
2- period performance and accessory upgrades and bolt-ons
3- evolutionary performance and safety upgrades
4- evolutionary styling updates
5- horrendous chop and slash contrivances
6- nightmare flared, metalflaked, winged, nipped and tucked monstrosities....
It really depends on what you want to achieve and who you want to satisfy.
Suspension, brakes, engine, wheels and tires, tails and spoilers, seats and steering wheels, flares, lighting, radios...all benefit from upgrading. It really depends on whether you want to keep it stock or want the enhanced performance. Somewhere in the mix you need to find your own compromise.
I like the idea of using period race enhancements to get there, but have you priced 917 brakes lately? :eek:
Jens, Excellent last point about the 917 brakes. I love the early SWB's and would love to have a 911R engine back there, but with the cost of 12 plug dizzy, and 911R 7 inch wheels, I can obtain almost the same hp with a 3.0 liter SC engine with Webbers, and a set of later model Fuchs 7 wheels for a lot less money. Of course it will not be the same, but it might be almost as fun - for about $300k less. And I won't be afraid to drive it hard for fear of trashing my investment...
Tom, This and John Rice's post get my nod as the best two posts of this thread. Why didn't I quote John's post? Bandwidth reasons only...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by sithot
Jens - thx for getting it back OT....
I'll add that there are fads & fashions in all the categories you listed... or you could call it changes over time - maybe cyclic - in what is preferred by most.
One example is the widespread use of Guards Red in the 1980's (I'm now getting that removed from my car -- it was flaking and bubbling off anyway).
Another example is the slant nose conversion - I'll bet that was done to some early cars.
Today, we see people changing their bumper car to look like an early car. And others putting ultra-wide fenders on their cars, with a negative attitude towards the slant-noses and to some extent, towards the Guards Red cars. This may all change again in a decade or two...
If you don't like Guards Red, you can say it is India Red, as I think it was called in some markets. Both have the Porsche color code of 027. In Peter Morgan's book, the 1974 standard color Guards Red is identified as Indischrot, with the color code 027.
By putting down Guards Red (India Red) you are also throwing a gut punch to the owners of 30 '73 Carrera RS's (if they still exist), which is the number that originally came in India Red. So don't necessarily tread on that sacred ground as there may be some folks around the world who will have a curled lower lip.
Gib Bosworth
R Gruppe #18
Early S Reg. #434
I'm happy to have a reasonable number of GR or IR cars... but am always pleased to tread on sacred ground or curled lower lips...