I saw the whole thing unfold from the hill above 7/8 - to bad because he had a big lead!Quote:
Originally Posted by speedmoore
My first, but not my last BRIC - great event! Will you be in Monterey? My Barbour Roadster got in so we will be there.
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I saw the whole thing unfold from the hill above 7/8 - to bad because he had a big lead!Quote:
Originally Posted by speedmoore
My first, but not my last BRIC - great event! Will you be in Monterey? My Barbour Roadster got in so we will be there.
NE1 got a website where one could see photos of the BRIC?????
Hello
Here's an old topic resurection, but i'm introducing my (too) slow replica project here.
I should have found that board before
thanks
Philippe
http://perso.orange.fr/rs27/porsche/accueil2.htm
I have just revisited this thread after about 9 months... and my how it has grown - in length and intrigue!
Let me throw some more documentary evidence into the ring...
I was in Sicily for the Targa Centenary last June, and am putting together a short film about the centenary race.
Amongst the many local contacts I've made, one recently sent me some 8mm footage of the 1973 Targa race and practise.
I'v posted some youtube links to footage of the RSRs (two passes of each - one at full speed, one at quarter)
It looks like there was definitely more than one car numbered 107 used in practise (1 seen here with green bumper,
and 1 with silver bumper and different bonnet martini detail): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VciWlJW8jvw
And here's number 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-LkrRXg-AI
And a group of three in the paddock, probably still during practise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfVeBqtZ3JY
Hey, where are the Mary Stuart tails!? None here are wearing them. So they must have been added after practise
and before the race?
Youtube is pretty poor quality, but I can post higher res somewhere else if anyone wants a clearer view...
Nice! I've added those to the 'Porsche Videos' thread to make it easy to find in the future.
I've now had the race footage transferred, and have again posted on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDhcQPdP-Y
Two passes - one at normal speed, then one slow, so you can see the details.
We can deduce that none of the cars had Mary Stuart tails in practise,
but #8 and #9 (and not #107) had some rudely fabricated ones fitted for raceday.
And check the differing locations of the struts installed to hold up the collars.
Also it can clearly be seen that #8 has NO 72 style oil filler, whereas #9 and #107 do.
Not sure if this helps, but it sure was fun going through the footage to find it!
Curt: I'll post the link in the videos thread too.
Also notice that #107 with the green bumper has the black '73 grill and turn signal lenses, whereas #107 in the paddock has the silver ones. The bonnet on #107 in the paddock also has a different Martini paint scheme and the numbers are mounted horizontally (vs. diagonally on the other one).Quote:
It looks like there was definitely more than one car numbered 107 used in practise (1 seen here with green bumper,
and 1 with silver bumper and different bonnet martini detail): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VciWlJW8jvw
And here's number 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-LkrRXg-AI
And a group of three in the paddock, probably still during practise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfVeBqtZ3JY
In the race #9 clearly has a green front bumper ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDhcQPdP-Y ), but not in the paddock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfVeBqtZ3JY .
Hello.
Fascinating thread, as is the history of these early RSRs. One think still puzzles me:-
Approximately two years ago, I inspected 911 360 0001 for a customer, who subsequently bought the car. I had known it when at Autofarm in England years before and had followed its restoration.
The factory confirmed that this had been Zasada's 1972 911S/T, that he had crashed on a rally in, I think, July 1972. After that, the car had gone back to the factory to be rebuilt and re-numbered as the first RS 2.7 Carrera. I have a photograph of it at the factory, red, with the notation that it was: "used to homologate the RS 2.7 into Group 4".
The factory later ion sold the car, through Steve Carr, to Stanley Palmer in the U.K. and I have seen the importation papers of this event, showing that it came to England with three early 2.8 RSR engines in, I believe, early 1974.
For me, the intriguing question is: What did the factory do with the car in 1973? Surely a new Group 4 RSR would not be left lying around the factory and not be used? The Targa Florio story of it being used there sounds extremely likely.
Kind regards
John Starkey
Welcome John, your knowledge and data bank are a big plus on this thread! As you wrote, Carrera RS prototype 9113600001 was originally a 2.5 ST (VIN 9112300769) crashed by Zasada in the1972 Rally of Poland, returned to the Factory for repairs in Sept 1972, taken over by the Press and Sport Depts, and sold to Palmer with three engines in early 1974. But just like you, I do not know what the Factory did with that car in 1973. I believe, however, that it was not used to homologate the Carrera RS (the 500+ RSHs that were weighted and certified for homologation started with VIN 9113600011) nor was it used at the ’73 Targa Florio. Manfred Jantke wrote in the August 1973 Christophorus that a training car (Mongrel) was stationed in Cefalu three weeks before the race; Singer and the Martini Racing Team arrived on May 9 with three race cars: R2 (9113600020), R6 (9113600588), R8 (9113600974), and one training car E42 (9113600002). 8mm film of practice, recently released by James Puttock, show that R8 and E42 both carried number 107 (I have no idea why!) but different Martini livery: R8 had green recognition colors on the front bumper and the U-shaped Martin stripes on the hood; E42 had no recognition color on the bumper and arrow-shaped Martini stripes on the hood. Also the number 107 was tilted in a white rectangle on R8 but was parallel to the long axis of an oval on E42. Baron Pucci crashed R8 on May 11 (it drops out of the practice notes after that date); the green front bumper went on R2 (which had not yet been assigned a recognition color) for the race on May 13, and the hood with the U-shaped Martin stripes went on E42.
Singer’s notes make no mention of a practice or race car that can be traced to 0001 during the 1973 World Championship of Makes season. That does not mean it was not used; it does mean that it was not assigned to Singer and the Martini Team. Jantke wrote that Mongrel was “an aging Carrera RS with racing chassis well used during testing and fitted with a 2.7L, 210 hp production engine.” Maybe Mongrel is 0001? Or maybe 0001 was the Press Car (#3 car in Martini livery that shows up in so many pictures)?? I always thought 0001 was used by the Factory for test fitting various parts on the Carrera RS, but—I don’t know! You wrote that you had a photo of 0001 at the Factory, red, with a notation. Could you post that picture on this thread? It may provide a clue to some of the other serious enthusiast that read this thread.
Mr. Starkey may not check in often.......?
I have the pics of RS 0001 but I'm checking with the owner.......I'd like permission to post them......I think he's fairly private.
Thanks.