First LWB

Hello all

Do any of you have knowledge of the existence of any cars with the following chassis (Vin) numbers.

i.e. the first production LWB 911
119000001 T
119120001 T Karmann
119200001 E
119220001 E Karmann
119210001 E targa
119300001 S
119310001 S targa

Many thanks for your help.

Regards
Mike

Lowest ones I know anything about:
119100008
119210002
119300002
119300004

Thanks Dave
Anyone else know of a low number car?

Would there be any special merit in finding an 01 vin car, the first of the lwb models?

Regards
Mike

both 119300001 and 119300002 were originally prototype chassis, so others may be as well.
The other thing I might mention is the confusion over production VIN's starting at 0011 instead of 0001. The numbers I posted above seem to disprove that for 1969, BUT we don't know how that "rule" was applied and from what point.

Surely the build number under the knee bar is the definitive answer to the 'first' car off the production line for any year.

Regards
Mike

A visual for the earliest LWB car I have seen. From the Quail event last month. Photo courtesy of Jonesy78

Not only early off the production line, but probably the earliest LWB winning car as M dl Route was right around the time of production start for the LWB chassis.

Raj, let me just say that as far as 119300001 and 119300002 as concerned I have good documentation. Also 119100008 I have good documentation and it has a fairly high production number (way over 100), so it is definitely a production car, but it does have some peculiarities.
Regarding what the first production car for any model year is, I agree that is a difficult topic. There are two production series at least, the coupe and Targa, and also the Karmann series when available. This car makes an interesting data point: 1020001 & 9112100011.

I owned 119310002 the second 69S targa. It's currently owned by Alan Brody here on the board. The car was very original when it passed through my hands, and had only LWB type items on it... no leftover 68 stuff.

Eric

So, if there was a car ending with an 01 vin, an 01 engine number and an 01 production number under the dash you could still argue it might not be the first off the production line?

Regards
Mike

I hear you Raj. So, my question would be, what is the point of all these numbers then? What do they actually tell us? Anything? Is vin 01 the first production chassis built or not? Is engine 01 the first production engine built or not? Is build number 01 the first build or not? I understand the cars were not built in vin order. I understand there may be prototypes. I understand cars may have been delayed on the production line. I understand there are cancelled orders. I understand there are customs delays, registration delays, delivery hold ups. So, what, if anything, is the significance of a sequential run of production numbers? Just to eventually tell us what model type, what engine type and what the total number of production cars we have? Or is the most significant detail the build date?

Regards
Mike