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Prototype series VINs
305876 R1
306681 R2
307670 R4
307671 R3
Production series VINs
11899001 to 11899020
Production engines type 901/22 with serial #'s from 5080001, up to 5080022 is known.
The majority were painted Light Ivory, however it is believed that none got paint badges.
Ernie Wilberg's Galleries on pbase:
http://www.pbase.com/911r/root&view=tree
R3 http://www.early911.co.uk/historic/html/911r.html
11899008 http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/pages...1967_911R.html
11899017 http://www.toadhallracing.com/toad-060.html
I would suspect that Porsche's racing color being white was probably more of a factor...althought they were nutso about weight, eh? :D
Raj, Ernie or anybody,
What ever happened with our two Scandinavian (?) friends (I'll have to look up their names) that were going to do a fully documented reference book on the 24 (?) R cars...... :confused:
They first contacted me about 8 years ago then again about 2 years after that....... :rolleyes:
They said the book would be constructed like the 250 GTO book dealing with the 36 of those through all their known history and iterations, then full photo spread on each.
Sounds like a good idea to me.... :)
Is there a rollover bar available currently, that matches the one inside Revenlows' blue R?
Vic
Yes, I believe TRE ( Dave Bouzaglou ) sells one that comes pretty close.
JZG
Thanks for sharing the pics Raj. Love that car!
Some pics of the "special" 11899002 :D
http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/45...600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/44...600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/45...600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/45...600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/45...600x600Q85.jpg
Few more pics!
http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/42...600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/39...600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/43...600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/34...600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/13...600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/44...600x600Q85.jpg
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Interesting thermostat in both. The 914-6/GT uses that and...? Where did it originally come from? I know the tab and two holes made it to a mounting bracket on the side of the engine compartment on the GT. Looks like it was purpose built for something else as well.
Here's mine:
http://www.roadglue.com/forum/attach...3&d=1242526046
Is it legal to answer your own question? :D
I think the 917 had one but it was larger than the basic S-thermostat. I'll bet that's what's in these cars.
Raj, 587 could be a 4-cam number. Would make sense, they'd still have those laying around.
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...1&d=1249652524
I wonder what the purpose of the hook is above the corner of the windshield?
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...1&d=1249653483
Looks like there is one on the drivers side too.
What happened to 911R #13? I heard it's tucked away in a collection somewhere in So. Cal.
Raj,
Trust me. it drives fine. =)
what condition is the car in? is there a current picture of it?
911R #008 is being restored by Gunnar Racing. I don't know what happened to #003, #006, #007, #009, #010, #012, #014, #016, and 018.
Here's a pic I took in '2000 of #20 (Raj's car) at the Bonham auction in Carmel...
Number 20 being used... as it should
I have to thank Raj, for participating in this event, when all the other 911R's locked up in museums.
This one is definitly not locked up and seems to be driven as ment to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT74B1tJK14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnBdICMvoro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf6c5ADAuCQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ztlP...eature=related
Recognize the Dutch driver of the the century, and double Le Mans winner Gijs van Lennep in the last video?
The third video is from my hand - it was an absolute blast to sit next to the driver, as my face shows at the end. Abbeville is a nice and short track, great for SWB with its tight corners.
So far, only about 12 production 911R's are still around. All four prototypes exist. Any photos of the 911R that was at Sears Point?
Raj,
I know your car...I'll dig up some more info on it.
John
It was white with a number 7 on it. I believe it had Dirk Layer's name written just above the driver's door. I think Jack Croul owns the car.
Raj.
Dirk's 911R was slate grey at one point. He restored it and had it painted white. #013 is now with I believe Jack Croul.
Any more shots of this 911R?
I just heard that there's a 911R in the Philippines. Is this true?
a thread populated by Filipinos on Pelican below, one of them will surely know ?
Philippines Thread
I have a current tally of fourteen 911R's left. Are there any more out there?
I just learned about these X bars! Raj I would like to cross post these pics to a discussion re: fixed driver buckets and forward tilting passenger seats. Thanks so much!
Whoah! So very interesting. A Scheel using the X bars for the driver and a Recaro four legged bucket using factory fixed brackets. Raj - that's awesome! I love these details! Why am I just learning this stuff?
Any whereabouts about 911R's #03, #06, #07, #09, #10, #12, #14, #16, and #18?
There's a lot of them out there. #6 and #7 just surfaced... I've only seen #1 and #19 in person. I really want to see the others though.
can you post any details of #6 and #7?
#6 is in Europe. I think #7 is in the USA
I haven't seen a link in this thread to this fantastic forum in france, specifically about the R.
Below is a direct cut and paste of the (google translated) 26 March 2011 post by GVA-SFO ... which in itself summarises a whole heap of research done by members of the forum.
There are literally hundreds of photos - all credit to them ...
(they have recently updated the record with Raj' car of course .. ! ... translated as "it rolls with regularly" !!)
http://www.autodiva.fr/forum/viewtop...1574&start=280
Registry status AutoDiva 911R April 1 2011
Note : Note: Please do not confuse the four prototypes (R/1-4 ") with" prods "11899001 to 11899004 followed by an" R "!
a) 4 Prototypes "Factory": R1, R2, and R4 of fiberglass (wing covers AV + + door), but R3 was aluminum? (R3 = "Sportomatic)
305876 R/1 : ( ? ) white (?)
306681 R/2 : fire red, S reg YZ-29, Elford car / van LENNEP MUGELLO 1967, No. 115 Alpine Cup year?,> (?)
307671 R/3 : "blood orange", Im.: S ZZ-829, "the Sportomatic!" In 1967 Winner of the Marathon route (Hermann, Neerpasch, Elford)> Alex Soler-Roig (Spain)> (?) > UK collector> sold, see: http://www.gmundcars.com/cars/612/911r.html
Note: Not equipped with "NSU lights" front and rear, with "std." Porsche lights!
307670 R/4 : lemon yellow, 12 May 1969 Porsche AG> Sonauto> Grenoble agency: Ets Balas> Victor White, Round Cévenole> recovery by Ets Balas> auction on 15 October 1970, Odom. : 2'343km. : 2'343km. > Volée la nuit avant > Retrouvée, Mars 1971 avec bielles cassées, sièges manquants, 2'762km > > retour chez les Ets Balas, stockée jusqu'en janvier 91, réparée > enchères > UK collector, Martin Konig, Im.: CYY 244G (UK) semi-restoration by Moto-Technique, during TdF 1995, engine falure, repaired with appropriate parts > 1995 sold ( ? ) > Monterey Christie's Aout 2006, auction (odometer : 7'500km tot. !) > (now in USA) Restoration complète chez B. > Stolen the night before> Found, in March 1971 with broken links, missing seats, 2'762km>> back in Ets Balas, stored until January 91, repaired> Auction> UK collector, Martin Konig, Im.: CYY 244g (UK) semi-restoration by Moto-Technique, Düring TdF 1995, engine falure, Repaired With appropriée parts> sold 1995 (?)> August 2006 Christie's Monterey, auction (odometer: 7'500km early. ")> (now in USA ) Restoration complete in B. Canepa ( Canepa ( http://www.canepa.com/racing/projects.html )
b) 20 Production cars, c/o Karl Baur b) 20 Production cars, c / o Karl Baur
Notes: a) According to the records of the twenty 911R Porsche production models, they identify only 19 of these cars were made with 901/22 type engines (210 hp). Of engines produced in this series range from up to 508 508 0001 0022. This indicates that several complete sets of parts were built beyond the 19 examples of the type of engines fitted 901/22.
b) Only one of 20 variants of 911R production was sold as a pure road car. This car was sold with either a new engine type 901/02 or 901/10 (170hp) and the 911R is the only one to have been produced as such
11899001R : white, red lines, "BP", 1967 Monza Run Record (Spoerry, Steinemann, Siffert, Vogele),> 1971 TdF D. Thiry/R. Thiry / R. Witz (Fr), > ? Witz (Fr),>? modifiée “ST” > 1991 Roy Walzer, via Kerry Morse, restored by Jim Newton Automobile Association. modified "ST"> 1991 Roy Walzer, via Kerry Morse, restored by Jim Newton Automobile Association. (USA, Connecticut) (USA, Connecticut
11899002R : white, Nov. 1967 reg. : S-04516, orig. S-04516, orig. moteur N°. No motor. 508 0004, Gearbox N° 928 4012. 508 0004, Gearbox N ° 928 4012. Pendant 23 mois, voiture du dept. For 23 months, the car dept. Racing de l'usine. Racing factory. Sans remplissage ess. Ess without filling. centre capot av., back up for Monza Record Run, Press Day Hockenheim, Vic Elford, endomagee et reparee, entre autres, probablement de nouvelles ailes AR, avant sa vente > Sep 1969 vendue sans moteur, ni bv, ni sièges (fournis séparément par Porsche, moteur neuf, n° 5080022) au Dr. Mario Daolio, en Ethiopie. ave center cap., back up for Monza Record Run, Press Day Hockenheim, Vic Elford, damaged, and repaired, among others, probably new wings AR, before its sale> sold in September 1969 without engine or bv or seats (available separately Porsche, new engine, No. 5080022) to Dr. Mario Daolio, Ethiopia. En 1980, le Dr. Daolio retired, et est retourné en Italie, ..avec sa voiture. In 1980, Dr. Daolio retired and returned to Italy with his car ... > 1984, collection Jun Euda, Tokyo, Japan > Sep 2006, Bill Noon from Symbolic Motor Car Company, La Jolla, CA., USA. > 1984 Collection Jun Euda, Tokyo, Japan> September 2006, Bill Noon from Symbolic Motor Car Company, La Jolla, CA., USA. 32,969kms. 32.969 kms. > Vendue, 002 habite maintenant en Belgique. > Sold, 002 now resides in Belgium
11899003R : ( ? )
11899004R : white > Porsche > Jo Siffert, > Gaston Hofer (CH), Jan 79, > Collector (FR), 1989, Gulf livery (now in France) for sale, sold ?
11899005R : white, red front bottom cover, Im.: SK 2403, 1967 Tour de Corse Tour de France, G. Larrousse > Jo Siffert (CH), filmed during “Le Mans” movie) > 1977, Paul Harrison (in Germany) > 1979, Ron Armour, (CA, USA) ) Now Collier collection (USA)
11899006R : ( ? )
11899007R : white car BEN / PON / SPOERRY MUGELLO 1968/JM FERNANDEZ / PALOMO / GARGALLO>? > ? >? Doug Braun, restored in New York, USA.
11899008R : Fire in a garage, sold late 2010 through http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/pages/fo ... http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/pages/fo ... _911R.html _911R.html , , Being restored by Gunnar Racing (USA) see photos: http://www.gunnarracing.com/ and “Projects” and "Projects"
11899009R : ( ? )
11899010R : Manuel NOGUEIRA PINTO (PO)/Joa ANDRADE VILLAR > SOLER ROIG > Max PEDRAZZI. 11899010R: Manuel Nogueira Pinto (PO) / Joao ANDRADE VILLAR> SOLER ROIG> Max Pedrazzi.
11899011R: ( ? ) white? > Jeff Zwart, Photographer, California, USA > celeb. celeb. Jerry Seinfeld, in California (Santa Monica) J
11899012R : ( ? ) 11899012R: (?)
11899013R : “slate gray”, ordered by Michael Green (source: Excellence Magazine Aug. 1992) > ? 11899013R: "slate gray" > Dirk Layer, sprayed in white > ( ? )
11899014R : ( ? )
11899015R: “cadillac gold”, Jim Mc Daniel(USA)/G.Sullivan(USA) Daytona/Sebring 1968. (Was part of Collar Collect. "Resold USA)
11899016R : ( ? )
11899017R : white, Prototype That Was Equipped With A 4 oz cam engine. 04.02.1970 sold to Mr. O 'O'Farrill Ávila, Puerto Rico, USA. > ( ? ) > Now Equipped With The Engine That Won the Monza record (N °. 508 0004). Peter Kitchak Collection, USAhttp://www.toadhallracing.com/toad-023.html[/url]
11899018R : ( ? )
11899019R : white, orange and green lines ", . imp. by Vasek Polak, 1968> new, Cullen Crabbe (IMSA racer, No. 32, and son of actor Buster Crabbe) 1978> Bill Lanphear, Burbank, California. It was restored in 1985 by Dan McLoughlin of AIR (American International Racing) > collect. It Was restored in 1985 by Dan McLoughlin of AIR (American International Racing)> collect. Japan without engine or box, (J) 2l motor (901/02) and R gearbox installed, 2005> back to USA, United States by Symbolic Motorcar Company, San Diego, CA., On sale through Autosport Designs
11899020R : Reventlow blue ", Zipper Porsche (Bev. Hill, CA) order by Woolworth for Lance Reventlow (Scarab team), order canceled> Vasek Polak Porsche> Bert Olander> Jim Lipps (street driving only) engine failure, Repaired 1970> Keith Bleecher road used only. 1977 > Porsche collector Sam Cabiglio > Matsuda collection (Japan), Metalic gray ?, 2001> back in USA, “Reventlow blue” and part of a collection in USA, ?Blackhawk Museum? 1977> Porsche collector Sat Cabiglio> collection Matsuda (Japan), Metallic gray?, 2001> back in the USA, "Reventlow blue" and part of a collection in USA? Blackhawk Museum? > New Jersey private collector: "Mr. Raj”, which rolls with regularly
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I hope not to have too much forgotten information, in any case it should allow construction to continue ..
A big thank you and congratulations to all for making it possible to arrive already this excellent stadium.
Dernière édition par gva-sfo le 26 Mar 2011 19:21, édité 1 fois. Last edited by GVA-SFO March 26, 2011 19:21, edited 1 time
Roy Walzer sold 11899001R to a guy in Costa Mesa. He later sold it to a guy in L.A., so #01 is on the West Coast
1969 Lyon Charbonnières - Stuttgart Solitude / Gerard Larrousse - Ginette Derolland
Thanks guys ! Yes, I was trying to summarize the info, in order to have a good view of our work.
..I'm the same person, here, ..as in Autodiva. (This pseudo, as I live in both California and Geneva, Switzerland, my home town.)
Yes, Autodiva has a fantastic team, a band of very great persons.
For your information, I have seen topics where English posts were made, and then one of Autodiva guy would pop up, help to translate, and be happy to have foreign visitors. For information, beside the very rich content (racing history, etc..) there is one topic about the Porsche Carrera Abarth (GTL) that is also incredible in term of content, history and registry value.
I can also let you know, ..that I'm a 911 daily driver, non stop since 27 years.
Above, great photos of the "Scandale", (Fyi : if my memory is ok, this was a French brand in the type of today's "Victoria's Secret" business :), thanks Peekaboo.
If any of you have information that is not in the above listed "tentative of registry", please let me know.
911RFan wrote :One of these should be own by a Swiss racing driver. He drove it during the latest "Ollon-Villars" hillclimb retrospective.Quote:
Any whereabouts about 911R's #03, #06, #07, #09, #10, #12, #14, #16, and #18?
Info removed, as this was not an original "R".
(I have not yet being able to know which s/n it is.)
Edit, October 2011 : Raj was 100% correct : this is NOT an original 911R, this is a 911 ..that have been "converted" to "R".
Very sorry for that.
They are around. You just have to be careful... There are a lot of replicas out there.
C. Cuénoud has been around Sports Racing , from in the day.
I find Charly Cuénoud listed in racing results since '64 in a 356 Carrera (for one - '65 1000km. Nurburgring with Pierre de Siebenthal) . Then a Lotus 23 , followed by a BMW 2002. Then driving a André Wicky 911 at 1971 Monza 1000km with Willy Meier - Serge Bolomey. And a "Porsche Vaud" 911 at 1971 Spa 1000km with Bernard Chenevière
Serial #: 118990017R
I took these photos at Dave Morse's shop during the tail end and just after the restoration was finished, I'm going to say around 1989? I helped a tick with this project, installing the front oil coolers with Jerry Woods. [I think i've posted my photos before but, they really belong in this proper thread Raj started].
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5549/1...627a906c_o.jpg
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That's an outrageous set of winter pics I've NEVER seen before...... WOW
Im glad to see that #20 is back home where it belongs. I want to see some pics of you driving it this weekend Raj!
:-),
I've never seen one except on an R... There had to have been a very short production run of those wheels. Did they discover the defect and move on? Great detail shots Raj... would love to see the back side of that wheel. It's obviously had some metal work done to it... have the spokes been painted black? ... sure looks like it.
No.20.....I wouldn't clean that Raj, looks just right the way it is.
Raj, great to see you brought 20 home and will be driving the car. I applaud you for doing that. I agree with Tim, just drive it. Speaking of which... Let me extend a personal invitation to bring that car to the Autobahn CC and drive it as it was meant to be driven. I think I could show you the fast way around...:cool: I think Dave C can vouch for that.
I may have said that tongue in cheek, but in all seriousness... I am very serious - bring 20 over - I guarantee that you will have a great time. Plus some in car vids and footage of it going the fast way around the track - that would be priceless for the members here. Let's do it Raj.....:)
Raj, thanks for posting the detail pictures of your car. I love looking at the details on that car that have not obliterated by being "restored". You are a true caretaker, and it is just so cool that you still get it out on the road.
It would be fun to check out the classic event at Elkhart Lake’s Road America... looks like it's right around RITV time (September 9-11 – VSCDA Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival) thought there is also... (July 14-17 – Kohler International Challenge with Brian Redman (Vintage)) not sure which is best to attempt
Raj,
Thanks for sharing, you are a true enthusiast's who gets it.
Glad to hear the R is home safe and sound. Hopefully us "O" guys will get to see it soon;)
Mike M
I don't know it merits a spot here . But here is an interesting article , showing in it , the Almeras Frères interpretation of a 911R (car 120 at bottom of top photo on first page , and in photos on the pages below) . It is an article showing / speaking about their 1969 team. ( I believe this is 1969 ?).
I said the 'merit a spot & interpretation' bit , because knowing the Almeras Bro.'s penchant / ability to get the parts and build their own cars. I do not know if it was a factory chassis to start ..or something they built up. Maybe someone who sees this will know . I have never taken the time to translate the whole article to see if it is spoken of / any clues given...just bits of it once in a while when it catches my fancy.
And notice , not the normal 911R rear flair.
* I just looked harder ....no wing windows & no plexi pieces to replace them , (or do I believe plexi rear Qtr. windows) . It would seem to be a LWB chassis.
Here's what I would guess is the same car the next year , at 1970 Ronde Cevenole.
Some of these great period pictures may explain the missing Rs. Some of them were so heavily raced and modified (I dig those big flares) that they may have eventually been written off.
Don
you seem a bit obsessed with these cars?!? :D ;)
I can play the Ferris game too!
Brian Fryar: What are we going to do?
Cornpanzer: The question isn't "what are we going to do," the question is "what aren't we going to do?"
Brian Fryar: Please don't say were not going to take the "R" home. Please don't say were not going to take the "R" home. Please don't say were not going to take the "R" home.
Cornpanzer: [to the camera] If you had access to a car like this, would you take it back right away?
[beat]
Cornpanzer: Neither would I.
911 R #20 Engine circa 11/79
Photo courtesy Sam Cabiglio
Raj wroteThis picture is probably from the Mugello in 1968. The lic. plate was S-YZ 28 and the car was driven by Dieter Spoerry and Ben Pon under the "Hart Ski" team.Quote:
number 9 don't know if R prototype or copy
It should be #07. Would be interesting to know what's up via Mr. Doug Braun, in New York, ..if he still own it !
If it this is #07, why the front and rear lights are the original 911 and not "R type" ?
It is part of the mysteries of the "R", like, it seems that one of the 20 prod cars has been delivered with a regular "S" engine, and was the only "road car", but, no one yet has been able to say which one it is... (big ?)
(..and for sure they are still people around that should know, but no one talks !)
Awe comon' Raj, you'll do fine on the track. Teach 'ya to really get in tune with that car and drive it like it was meant to. Dave C, Bryan F, a little help here...? The more I think of this, the more I like it. And what a benefit to the community (especially the MW community:)).
Mark, I will email you re: Road America.
Peekaboo posted an article about 911S and "R" from the Almeras brothers.
i.e.:
I read that article as it was also posted on the Autodiva forum. In summary, it talks about a 911S that went through a weight shaving process, and this before the production of the Rs. Then it talks about an 911T that went through a similar process, but, in addition to that, also got an engine from a 906.Quote:
I don't know it merits a spot here . But here is an interesting article , showing in it , the Almeras Frères interpretation of a 911R (car 120 at bottom of top photo on first page , and in photos on the pages below) . It is an article showing / speaking about their 1969 team. ( I believe this is 1969 ?).
So, that car is not an R, but a kind of local recreation, made at that time.
I think it was very good to have this post as it shows and tell us to keep on mind, that beside the 4 prototypes and the 20 productions cars, there was, ..already at that time, some "side creations" !
Another of these strange “R story” :
In 1971, one of the two 911R of Estanislao “Lalao” Reverter (Spain) was loaned to his friend José Pavón for the Rallye of Ourense.
This car, painted in orange, with 3 small center lines, blue-white-blue, had the n°3, during the Rallye of Ourense (lic. plates 3571 DK 13).
It seems that Reverter bought this car to an Italian driver, Paolo de Leonibus, in 1968 originally a Light Ivory color, and has been seen with a deco of “Jolly Club”, i.e.: Rallye Costa del Sol, 1968, with the n°1 (Light Ivory), see photo at the bottom of the page 12, posted by Raj.
Pavón had an accident with this “R”, and a story said that the rear end of this car has been installed into a Renault Alpine (“Berlinette”), and after been first nicknamed “Realpor” (REverter ALpine PORsche), it becomes well known in Spain under the name of “Alpinche” !
For those who do not know about the quite famous French car, the Berlinette Alpine (type A110) was a light car, with a polyester body and a Renault 4 (in line) cylinders ..in the same position as the 911 !
(Try Google or Wikipedia “Alpine A110”)
It is said that the remains of the 911R “donor” were sold to another Spanish driver : Humberto Rodriguez.
One question would be : what is the chassis number of this R ?
..and what did happen to this car ?
Some photos :
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Here's a shot of some interested folks ogling the motor at the 1970 Firestone Rally (and that's probably Reverter showing it).
I don't think he finished this rallye , as he is not in the top 10 results I have recorded. Strangely , at 4 other spanish rallies in 1970 . I have Estanislao Reverter finishing in the top 10 in a 911R, with three differant co-pilots
I think I read the rally placard incorectly , and that must be 1973 Firestone (by now it had had the 210hp motor replaced by a 2.7 with claim hp close to 280).
Renault Alpinche
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Renault Alpinche - Motorworld Forums :
(by Ford Capri 2.8i )
"Hi....here you go the one of the best inventions in Spain ever in terms of motoring during the seventees.......hope you enjoy the pics and the story
Renault Alpinche
I coexisted many years with Estanislao Reverter and for that reason I know first hand some of its ideas. He was a person obsessed with the weight of the competition vehicles; he was the first in drilling as a strainer the pedals of its Porsche, vehicle that fascinated to him and in that it took bored until the bar of connection of the carburetors. "a gram cannot be wasted nor, - it said -, because thousand grams make a kilo, and gaining kilos gain seconds". I think that from there the idea arose to combine an excellent motor and power (the one of Porsche 911), with the lightness and aerodynamics of the Renault Alpine. And like Reverter he was a bold one and an action man, did not think it twice and he put hands to the work. To transplant the motor from Porsche 911 to the cockpit of the Alpine supposed to make previously many measurements. And in that de1971 occupied its Estanislao time that summer. As soon as the Rally de Orense had finalized that demanded all its organizing attention corno was centered in the work. Jose Pavón finished starring Porsche 911 in the orensana test, but the motor was intact; like in the heart transplants, already there was donor. Reverter acquired a Alpine and extracted the motor of the Porsche that gave a power of 210 CV. In its factories of the concessionaire Land Rover de Orense, the activity was febrile, but the car was finished shortly before the Rally Ri'as Low of August, proves in that Reverter tried to release its invention. An accident, when becoming inflamed the gasoline spilled in the transfer of cans by the match of a client, produced burns to him of consideration in the face, that to point were to make him pospone the opening of the vehicle. And what passed Lalao to you? it was the question of almost all the foreign participants who saluted to the orensano teacher in the Low prolegómenos of Ri'as. And there it was Lalao, with the face burned and full of ointment, ready to fight.
TRANSPLANT IN ORENSE
The body of the Alpine (of blue color Renault competition) completely was taken apart. In the interior the main picture of the Porsche settled replacing the one of the Alpine, all the superfluous upholsteries and coverings were eliminated, and they settled individual bacquets and the obligatory bars of protection. At first, all the front suspension took advantage of the Alpine, although it was reinforced, installing solely bushings with four esparrágos for special rims. The manufacturing company of rims Targa, provided specific of 7xl3 inches of width for the front axis and 9x13 inches in the buttock, roads with tires Dunlop Racing. And it is that you pass them of wheel of the Alpine did not allow to lodge wheels of greater height. In the back axis the things were more complicated. In order to lodge the motor and the gear box of the Porsche being maintained the exit semiaxes, were necessary to also maintain the suspension back of the Porsche, although the levels varied a little. For it, Reverter resorted to a back axis of Volkswagen, where it could anchor the torsion bars and elements of suspension of the 911. All this took place in few weeks, and as soon as it was left time to make expresses test of highway to sharpen the suspension settings. In the first exits, the car behaved badly enough. There was much descompensación between the axes, and Reverter had to put on approval its enormous dowries of pilot-probador to sharpen it. The nose rose when applying all the engine power Porsche, and the wheels lost adhesion. Not to have problems at high speed, Reverter installed small lateral baffle plates in front of aletines of the front wheels. In fact, the Alpinche never was a FIAR vehicle, and thus another pilot related us who had access to the Alpinche, Beny Fernandez, protagonist of his destruction in rally Sherry of 1975.
FIRST REALPOR, LATER ALPINCHE
When Estanislao Reverter finished its work, it baptized it like REALPOR, acrostic of Reverter - Alpine - Porsche. Lalao even took the annoyance to add a band with this name in the low part of the doors, with the same font that Porsche used in the low ones of its vehicle; but the public and mainly the liking, red-baptize it like Alpinche, and Alpinche remained. The car was painted in the colors of the Escudería Orense, strong orange, and it was come to ruin with a blue and white band of the Galician flag that crossed all the vehicle longitudinally. It did not lack either, the shield of the Escudería Orense with the wheel to sharpen, popular symbol of the city. And so that everything was in house, Reverter would alongside use like candidate to the seat of its Eloy friend Rodriguez.
THE LATER IMPROVEMENTS
After Ri'as Low of the 71, Reverter already thought about improving its invention. The idea mainly was the one to strengthen the front axis, because there the secret of its conduction resided. One resorted to install the greater number of pieces of the Porsche. the shock absorbers subjected in the superior part with a piece that allowed the regulation to be able to modify the advance. The brakes were modified totally, installing those of the Porsche and mechanizing new bushings. Also the direction rack came from the 911, as well as the gearshift and pedalier. The Alpinche improved remarkably, but still it had the defect of which when giving gas in the curves went away front. In fact, the life of the Alpinche was a continuous one to prove and to prove. In the Rally de Asturias the motor was had broken, and once put in expenses, it settled the 2,7 that cleared 280 CV almost. According to Jose Rua, the mechanical faithful of Reverter told us, after the installation of the most powerful motor, palieres broke itself. But as always the solution arrived from the hand of the imagination... and of which they more by hand had the untiring mechanics of Resfré: the crosspieces and the fluted ones of the Land Rover, unbreakable! THE SPORT LIFE OF THE ALPINCHE We said in the beginning, that the opening of the orensano hybrid took place in the Rally Ri'as Low of 1971 and was settled with a third position, behind competitive Porsche 911 of the Repsol equipment that lead by Eladio Doncel and Alberto Ruiz Giménez (the Bear), won habitually all rallys of the Championship of Spain of the specialty. But the victory arrived in Ri'as Low of Vigo in 1972, with the car much more sharpened and competitive and it was repeated in the 1973 edition. Peculiarly, only Estanislao Reverter obtained good results with the Alpinche, since its two pupilos Jose Pavón and Beny the Fernandez who used it in some occasions, were not able to take it to the goal, although yes individual important blows. First of them it corresponded to him to Jose Pavón, who in the ascent to I castrate of Beiro left the car quite damaged. To you are from the blow, reconstructed the nose, installing a great spoiler that occupied all the low part of the frontal. But also Reverter gave good meneos him, and to it is from one of them in the Navarrese Basque Rally, the car became to remake (more work for Juan the chapista of Lalao) with an aesthetic different good: a nose with square lights and aesthetic resemblance to the Ligier of the World-wide one of Resistance. It was the third nose, really ugliest of all, and the loss of the identity of the Alpine body. Reverter won, - in addition to both You laugh Low commented -1972 and 1973 -, the Rally 2000 Turns, the Criterium Luis de Baviera, the Rally de Asturias, the Rally of the Pazos and some ascents in hill like Almofrey and Manzaneda, the this one last only victory of the orensanas earth car. A sample of the good one for doing, valentía and the liking of this man, to whom the adventure of the Alpinche took to him already with more than 40 years. JEAN-PIERRE NICOLAS PROVES THE ALPINCHE With occasion of the Rally Firestone in which Reverter participated and Jean Pierre Nicolas (then pilot of official of Renault and recent winner of the Montecar it), the French requested to him to Lalao that let to him prove the Alpinche. When one lowered of the car suggested to him would have to make a series to sell, because it would be an unbeatable weapon in the World-wide one. It had enchanted to him."
Ed Matsuishi's 911R from my first visit to the bay area in 2003..
these two pics taken by me...
http://gallery.rennlist.com/albums/albup80/911rass.jpg
http://gallery.rennlist.com/albums/a...911rengine.jpg
this front image found on the web (dont know who owns it)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/...1a6e03f0f7.jpg
although i looked up his name on the internet to check the spelling, and to see if i could find the vin to post here.. many sites and images note it as a 911R, the CSRG website calls it a 1967 911S/R... so im not sure what that means or why its noted that way..
http://www.csrgracing.org/profiles/matsuishied.html
"1967 911S/R - I am the third owner of this car that was oringinally built for Eberhard Mahle (the 1967 European Hillclimb champion and of the company that made pistons for Porsche at the time) to run in various hillclimbs, rallies, and FIA GT events in Germany and France. The car was purchased, sight unseen, in early 1969 from the Porsche race department by Bruce O'Niel. The car was air-freighted to LAX and appeared to have "just come off the racetrack". Bruce first tried to race the car with the SF region SCCA as a "production " car until numerous protests were filed."
John Thornton knows more about the car than i do.. maybe he can chime in. or maybe Bob Tilton does too..
That car was featured in John Z Goriup's Porsche Picture of the Day thread. As I recall, it was an S special ordered by Mahle for competition with R/906 bits from the factory to make it a clone of an R.
I agree with RAJ. I'm sure the car was built to compete but it was probably hard to hide the race modifcations from the scruteneers. We had in America similar "rule bending" cars that ran in production road racing. They had 911 production serial numbers but had many race modifications. Ed's car is the next step but still tries to appear as a production car. It however clearly goes too far to be mistaken for a production car. I'm sure it started out as one.
You'll notice that 911Rs frequently ran with "stock" front turn signals to appear to be a production car. For both advertising and I imagine also for "rule bending".
I remember the road race cars referred to as "cheater cars". Sometimes they got away with it and sometimes thay were protested. They wanted to distance their car from the 911R by noting that it's "just" another production car. It is/was the case of how many changes are allowed and still be raced as a production car...
H
This is moved over from the "Barn Find 1967 911S" thread.
"super9064 : One of the four R prototypes was bodied in aluminum, (R3) 307 671, the other three were fiberglass. Interestingly, the aluminum fender looked just like the standard steel one, not the characteristic "R" style."
I believe the other three prototypes (305 876S , 306 681S , 307 670S) had normal type fenders also (made for standard turn signal housings). So unless they were fiberglass but not normal R type ? The fenders on these other three prototypes had to be either steel or alloy.
And was the 1967 Marathon de la Route / Herrmann - Neerpach - Elford car the same ....or a differant chassis than the 68 / Linge - Glemser - Kauhsen car ?
Ok , I am not a 911R buff . So before I ask any more questions , or put my foot in my mouth.
Of what material were the fenders made on the original builds of R 1 , 2 , 3 , 4. And originally , built with normal turn signals , or the small individual type referred to as 911R front turn signals ?
As I have photos from 1967 events , of at least one of these cars (or 2 if it is not the same car) with both style lights.
Well , I do not know if this info. from K. Morse is irrefutable. But in the third paragraph he basically states that R1 had steel fenders : "The serious work started on R2 , which featured the first set of fiberglass fenders"
If this is accurate info. , it correlates with this photo & then would mean also that the fiberglass fenders were made for the small individual turn signals right from the start.
I have this noted as being R2 / 306 681S :
Elford - Stone , 1967 Coupe des Alpes (retired in ES 2 / camshaft)
And it would also mean this had to be R1 / 305 876S (the other three had glass fenders with small lights). And also R1 winning the next edition of the event (1968 Marathon de la Route) as that car had standard turn signals also.
The only thing that puts a slight kink in this , is that R1 is recorded as originally being light ivory / hellelfenbein. Maybe they repainted it soon after ?
1967 Marathon de la Route.
The '67 Marathon de la Route winner (shown above) was the third of the four 'prototypes' - R3 - which was fitted with aluminium front wings, bonnet & doors (skins).
It was also the car featured on p1 of the 911R Driver's Manual:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3044/...10538c22_z.jpg
did any one say* sportomatic*?
VERY interesting !
Peekaboo feel that may be the "S-ZZ 829" (MdlR n°14) could be R/1 repainted.
In my side, I feel that S-YZ 28 "(i.e.: Hart Ski Team, as seen at the Mugello in 68 with the n°9, D. Spoerry, B. Pon) and said to be the Prod 007R , is may be not "James Bond", but could be well R/1 !!
My "motivations" for this personal guess :
. Light Ivory
. Original 911 lights (not "NSU /R" type.)
. Porsche System Engineering Lic. plate : one digit less than R/2 ! (S-YZ 29)
. Possible confusion on "7" and "1"
OK, I admit that this is extremely thin, ..but until I would see an old picture of R/1, or anything substantial about the Hart Ski Team car history, I will still have this doubt !
Anybody knows where is R/1 these days ?
As I stated before , this was only a determination (actually hypothesis) generated by the K. Morse article information. If that information is accurate (?) , there is no mention of alloy bonnet or wings. It is only the logical conclusion that can be drawn from THAT information . But again ...maybe it is inaccurate ? I obviously have no idea either way.
Someone who was present when all 4 of these cars were built has to still be surviving today , to know how each was built and possibly which did what . And I would think the factory would have some type of notation regarding whether alloy was used for these parts at this time on R3 . And also which , car/s were built with sportomatics (or refitted). And which car was used where , for which factory entry.
I just study photos or documents , and ask questions. When I read somewhere that this car did this or that. At the end of the day , I always end up at : "wheres the proof ...how do you know for certain" . Not that I am a skeptic by nature , just that I am a realist. If something occured. Then there has to be a shred of something related to that event...which will verify it. Even if it is just verbal verification by someone who was there.
Again , I have NO idea . How any of these 4 R prototypes were originally built. Nor which was used by whom/where. Maybe R3 has been verified by Porsche as having the extra alloy pieces originally. Maybe there are factory records showing it was used at 1967 M. de la R., or possibly a Wagenpass/Carnet du Bord is surviving.
They just do not seem to be mentioned anywhere. But the people involved with the car probably have them.
Here's the Factory's confirmation that R3 was built with aluminium parts :
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3441/...60677c44_b.jpg
Neat , & thank you for pointing that out. I had looked at that. But never started translating all the sections.
The line in the K. Morse article about R1 being rallyed till late in the 70's reminded me of this photo. I seriously doubt this is R1 , but I thought i'd post it. It is probably a 'special'..but you never know. For one , I cannot see any of the side windows ..nor the rear passenger qtr, to look for an oil tank cap. But from this view, it does not look like the oil cap is there.
It is listed in the original organisers official Classement as a "911R" . This crew placed 11th overall here.
1973 Ronde de la Durance / Pilots : 'Lab' - Raymonenq
A little off the current topic, but here is an interesting artifact same as used in R #3 Marathon de la Route winner. You can see the Hella Spotlight in quite a few period photos. The one below gives about the best detail I can find.
About a possible view of R/1, Peekaboo wrote :I do not think that "8619 DV 13" could be R/1.Quote:
1973 Ronde de la Durance / Pilots : 'Lab' - Raymonenq
(Note that this is typically a French licence plate, the "shape" and the numbers.. and the end with "13" means that it is from the département des "Bouches du Rhône", i.e.: the area around Marseille)
For your info, Before getting this plates, this same car had "temporary" licence plates "5203 WW 13" (the "WW" means temporary, and still the "13" is the departement.
In my opinion this is NOT a R at all, but a creation, may be from the Almeras Brothers.
You can see below what is supposed to be other photos of the same car, i.e.: under lic. pl. "5203 WW 13" : Jacques Tognoni at the Ronde Cévenole in 1972 or the same driver with this time the l.p. "8619 DV 13" at the Rallye de Lozère, in 1973.
Photos that let you see the "sides" of that car : (IMO, not an R.)
(I think the copyright is to Jacques Privat)
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7...zere201973.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/551...tognoni202.jpg
I think at this point, it may be good to repost one of the articles of Kerry Morse :
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/410...rototypesa.jpg
Out of this K.Morse text, I can read interesting things :
First, about R/1, Kerry Morse write:
Well, I would love to see the photo (of R/1) that seems to go with this text !Quote:
"The first prototype, shown here, shows little difference from its production mates, Plexiglass windows and an outside oil filler on the right quarter are the only visible signs."
And, if this is true, it would means that R/1 has a side rear quarter oil filler. A small, but good point to remember !
Second, about R/4, in the center of the second column, Kerry Morse write:
With the time, we got a similar story, with some more details, so, may be, a more accurate story could be :Quote:
"R/4 is virtualy intact as it was sold to Sonauto in 1969, later stolen and hidden in a warehouse in Marseilles. It was discovered in 1990 and is now in England."
307670 R/4 : the car was lemon yellow.
The 12th of May, 1969 Porsche AG sold it to Sonauto, (the French Porsche importer).
Sonauto sold it to a dealer in Grenoble, the “Etablissements Balas”.
Ets. Balas sold it to Victor Blanc, who register the car for the Ronde Cévenole.
The monthly fees were not paid and the car was returned to Ets Balas.
An auction was set for the 15 October 1970, R/4 had 2’343 km. on the odometer.
The car was stolen the night before the aution
The car was found in Mars 1971 with broken rods, missing seats, and 2’762 km at the odometer.
Back to Ets. Balas, and went to storage up to Jan 91, and was repaired.
A new auction was set and the car was bought by a*U.K. collector, Martin König.
The car got the U.K. Lic. pl..: CYY 244G (UK) and was partly-restored by Moto-Technique.
During “Tour de France” 1995, the car had an engine failure, and was repaired with appropriate parts.
In 1995 the car was sold to (*? )
Car was sold at Monterey Christie’s in Aug. 2006 auction, with the odometer*at 7’500 km.
The car is now in the USA, and went to a complete resoration by B. Canepa, Scotts Valley, CA.
For the results, you can now see R/4 : www.canepa.com/racing/911R_final/index.html
Wow. Car looks great. Thanks for starting the day right.
Here is some interesting reading about the BP Record Run car (a 911R which Helmuth Bott ..."could have readed at short notice" .... the car was suppose to have been 11899001).
From Paul Frère :
"Only when the engine - the only one available - was in the car did the engine development chief , Ing Paul Hensler , realise that this was far from being a raceworthy engine: it had previously been used for a 100 hours endurance test on the bench , dismantled for inspection and hastily put back together as it was - not even with care , as it was not supposed to be used for racing at all ! But time for the availability of the track was running very short and the car was nevertheless driven to Monza overnight , heavily laden with spares which had to be carried in the car during the record attempt. On the next day the run started and the car , eventually bettered five world records and 14 international 2 litre class records up to 20,000 kilometers , with an engine that had already done the equivalent on the test bed before !" .
Raj, hope you have a giant mop and bucket for causing all this drooling !!! : )
Reza
Wow, nice find. ;-). BTW, The handle looks like a volkswagen bus part.
Raj,
I'm thrilled to see the car back in your hands, and hope we can do some drives with you/it again soon.....great detail photos and a fantastic thread....thanks for posting all of this.
Lewis
ah, the very common 'coat hook' as used in whatever application the grab handle came from, VW??
Any pictures of Jack Croul's 911R?
Raj, I've used a handle like that in one of my father's previous cars, but I can't for the life of me remember which one! :( Like others have said, it's very VW-ish...
Any chance I can convince you to take pictures of that Scheel seat...?
Since some time, I had the envy to translate the info that was posted into the Autodiva forum, that Pgxif mentioned in April this month.
Instead of a Google translate, this should be a (..may be ??) little better:
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Porsche 911R status Registry 29 May 2011, result of a work done at Autodiva Forum (Fr.)
Notes : a) Be careful to not mix-up the 4 prototypes (« R/1-4 ») with the 4 first « prods », i.e. : 11899001 – 11899004, that have numbers that end up in general with an “R” (..except, at least : 002P) ! I.e. : nickname « R/1 » is not equal to « 01R » !
b) The “white” color mentioned below should be accurately named "Light Ivory". (In French: « Ivoire Clair », which pronounces like “to see clearly” ! a kind of joke in such a case). The color code is 6804, where “68” is for the manuf. year..
a) 4 Factory Prototypes : R1, R2, et R4 in fiberglass (front fenders + hoods + doors), but, R3 had (?) those parts in aluminum (R3= «Sportomatic»)
305876 R/1 : white, ( ? ) Long time at Porsche > sold to ? > According to Kerry Morse : this car is currently in France !
306681 R/2 : fire red, lic. plat. S-YZ 29, driven by Vic Elford/van Lennep at the Mugello 1967, also N°115 at the “Coupe des Alpes” year ?, > ( ? )
307671 R/3 : “blood orange”, Im.: S-ZZ 829, “the Sportomatic !” Winner in 1967 of the Marathon de la route (Hermann, Neerpasch, Elford) > Alex Soler-Roig (Spain) > ( ? ) > UK, collector > sold, c.f.: http://www.gmundcars.com/cars/612/911r.html Note: not equipped with “NSU lights” Fr. & Rear, but with “std.” Porsche lights !
307670 R/4 : lemon yellow, 12 May 1969 Porsche AG > Sonauto > dealer in Grenoble : “Etablissements (Ets.) Balas” > Victor Blanc, Ronde Cévenole > returned to Ets. Balas > auction 15 October 1970, odom. : 2’343km. > stolen the night before the auction > found, Mars 1971 with broken rods and missing seats, with 2’762km at the odometer > Back to Ets. Balas, storage up to Jan 91, repaired > auction > U.K. collector, Martin König, Lic. pl..: CYY 244G (UK) partly-restored by Moto-Technique. During “Tour de France” 1995, engine failure, repaired with appropriate parts > 1995 sold ( ? ) > Monterey Christie’s Aug. 2006, auction (odometer : 7’500km tot. !) > (now in USA) Complete Restoration by B. Canepa, Scotts Valley, CA, beautiful results, see: www.canepa.com/racing/911R_final/index.html, owner ?.
b) 20 Production cars, c/o Karl Baur
Notes : a) According to Porsche files, in the 20 K. Baur production run, 19 have been fitted with race engine type 901/22 (210 hp). The engine numbers of this serie goes from 508 0001 to 508 0022. This tend to show that some engines were built in reserve, over the 19 cars. Note that we can remember that this engine was already used for example with the Porsche type 906.
b) Only one car of the 20 production unit has been sold as a “road car”. This car was sold brand new, but equipped with an engine type 901/02 (or 901/10) i.e.: 170hp and this 911R was the only one produced and sold with this type of engine.
11899001R : white, red lines, 1967 ”BP” Monza Record Run (Spoerry, Steinemann, Siffert, Vogele), > “Tour de France 1971, D. Thiry/R. Witz (Fr), > ? modified “S-T” > 1991 Roy Walzer, via Kerry Morse, restored and painted white with green lines !!” by Jim Newton Automobile Association. (USA, Connecticut). Roy Walzer > Collector in Costa Mesa. > sold to a Collector in L.A., #01 is now on the US West Coast.
11899002P : White, lic. plate: S-04516, Nov. 1967, orig. engine is N°. 508 0004, Gearbox N° 928 4012. During 23 months, Porsche Engineering (Racing dept.) of the factory. No external fuel cap in the center of the front hood. This car was the back-up car (parts) of 001R car during the Monza Record Run, Also seen at the Press Day in Hockenheim with Vic Elford. > Sep 1969 sold, no engine, no gearbox, and Scheel seat set supplied separately par Porsche. New engine, n° 5080022 and gearbox sold also separately to Dr. Mario Daolio, an Italian MD residing in Ethiopia. In 1980, Dr. Daolio retired, and returned to Italia, ..with his 911R. > 1984, sold to collection Jun Euda, Tokyo, Japan > sold Sep 2004, with 32,969kms on the odom. to Symbolic Motor Car Company, via Bill Noon, South CA, USA, La Jolla, CA. > Sold in Oct 2006 to a Belgium collector, car seen many time in action at the Abbeville track, France, i.e.: with Gijs van Lennep driving it.
11899003R : ( ? )
11899004R : white > Porsche > Jo Siffert, > Gaston Hofer (Switzerland, Jan 79, > Collector (France), 1989, Gulf livery (now in France) for sale, sold ?
11899005R : white, lower part of front hood red. Lic. Plate: S-K 2403, 1967 “Tour de Corse”, “Tour de France”, with G. Larrousse. > ? > Jo Siffert (CH), ? filmed during “Le Mans” movie) > 1977, Paul Harrison (in Germany) > 1979, Ron Armour, (CA, USA) > ? > Now : Collier collection (USA)
11899006R : ( ? ) According to internet US forums, this car is in Europe. > ?
11899007R : white, lic. plate: S-YZ 28, “small truck lights” on the hood (in French slang: some time : “lumignons”. Car driven by Ben Pon/Spoerry during Mugello in 1968. > J.M. Fernandez > Palomo > Gargalo > ? > ? Doug Braun, restored in New York, USA.
11899008R : ( ? ) > burned in a garage, sold late 2010 via http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/pages...1967_911R.html, being restored by Gunnar Racing (USA). See photos: http://www.gunnarracing.com/ and “Projects”
11899009R : ( ? )
11899010R : Manuel Nogueira Pinto (PO)/Joa Andrade Villar > Alex Soler-Roig > Max Pedrazzi.
11899011R : white, > ? > Jeff Zwart, Photographer, California, USA > Jerry Seinfeld, in California (Santa Monica)
11899012R : ( ? )
11899013R : “slate gray”, ordered by Michael Green (source: Excellence Magazine Aug. 1992) > ? > Dirk Layer, resprayed in white > ( ? ) Jack Croul, (Newport Beach, CA, USA).
11899014R : ( ? )
11899015R: “Cadillac gold”, Jim Mc Daniel(USA)/G.Sullivan(USA) Daytona/Sebring 1968. (Was part of Collier Collect. > sold to > ? USA ?
11899016R : ( ? )
11899017R : white, “the 5th Prototype” that was equipped once with a 4 cam engine. > sold Feb. 1970 to Mr. O’ Farrill Avilla, Puerto Rico, USA. > ( ? ) > now equipped with the engine that won the Monza record (N°. 508 0004). n°017, Peter Kitchak Collection, USA, see: http://www.toadhallracing.com/toad-023.html
11899018R : ( ? )
11899019R : “white, with green and orange lines. Imported. by Vasek Polak, in 1968 > brand new, sold Cullen Crabbe (racer IMSA, n°32 son of the movie actor Buster Crabbe), 1978 > Bill Lanphear, Burbank, California. It was restored in 1985 by Dan McLoughlin of AIR (American International Racing) > sold to a collector in Japan, with no engine and no gearbox. 2l engine (type 901/02) et R gearbox installed in 2005 > back to USA, United States, purchased by Symbolic Motorcar Company, San Diego, CA., for sale via Autosport Designs, Inc.
11899020R : “Reventlow blue”, Zipper Porsche (Bev. Hill, CA) order by Woolworth for Lance Reventlow (Scarab team), order cancelled > Vasek Polak Porsche > Bert Olander > Jim Lipps (street only driving) engine failure, repaired 1970 > Keith Bleecher used only on the streets. 1977 > Porsche collector Sam Cabiglio > Matsuda collection (Japan), re-sprayed metal gray ?, 2001> back in USA, back to “Reventlow blue” and part of a collection in USA, ?Blackhawk Museum? > New Jersey, private collector. (In the Autodiva text : Mr. Raj, that seems to drive the car on a regular base ! :))
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Some interesting information (IMO) about #001R and the Monza 1967 records:
According to the latest photos posted at Autodiva, it seems very clear that both 001R and 002P came from the factory, (..in rush to take over, in the time allowed by the records rules, after the first tentative with a 906 that aborted because of front suspension failure), we can very well see that both 911R were plain white (light ivory) color and no stripes at arrival.
Side note: the 906 (#906-153) that suffered front suspension problem, was the property of Dieter Spoerry, who was one of the 4 drivers during the records. This car was red with a white stripe and, except the BP and Firestone logos, it was the colors of this car during the 1967 races.
So, the stripes that have been shown in all black & white photos, ..except the two in colors that resurfaced much later, and seems to come from an exhibition in Zurich right after the records (these Monza records were sponsored by BP of Switzerland), are the only known color photos (..at this time), shows 001R with red stripes, not green.
The old question was : Why 001 have been restored with Green stripes ?
Well, first of all, it seems to me that with the limited time available, 001R have most probably not been painted in the spot, in Monza. I’m convinced that the stripes were adhesive material, (and not painting) this like the BP and Firestone logos that have also been applied on the spot (as per these new photos, we can see that both cars arrived in plain white).
I read somewhere that when 001R was restored in East Coast, they found residual green color under the white, and this, together with the BP colors, seems to have been at the base of the decision to go for green stripes.
The question could be then: Were the green color found could come from ?
Well, in 1971, a French driver, Dominique Thiry, won the “Grand National” of the “Tour de France” with a 911R (racing number 376). There are very good guesses that this car was 001R. At the time of this race, ..this R was green !
If the above assumptions are correct, this could explain the presence of the green left over, that led to a wrong choice at restoration time for the stripes of 001R !
I can add that the 4 drivers that were beyond these records tentative were all Swiss drivers (Joseph Siffert, Charles Vögele, Dieter Spoerry and Rico Steinemann) ..and the Swiss colors are red and white (a white cross over a red background, ..not to mistake with the “Red Cross”, (founded by a Swiss gentlemen named Henri Dunand), that ..reversed the Swiss flag colors!
A post that is a bit like digging into the history, but, I felt that this may interesting some of the readers, ..in this Ultimate R Thread !
Wow, how about that. Thanks for the history lesson. It is fun to discover those little details.
D. Thiry / 1971 TA (911R fenders)
1971 Rallye de Franche Comte / Dominique Thiry - 'Christophe' (2nd overall)
By 1972 , D. Thiry had a differant car with 2.4 power (grp. 4 , Blue with orange bumpers and stripes). This blue car was being used by Valentin Bertapelle by 1974.
Heishman Porsche/Audi Alexandra Va.
Which one was the Heishman 911R? I was speaking with Heishmans son a while back and he told me the had one in their showroom. What ever happened to it?
Raj wrote :Well, if we look at all photos of the Monza records, ..there is no center gas outlet on 001R ! (And, btw, same thing is also true for 002P.)Quote:
?No center gas tank outlet?
(1971 Tour Auto Int.)
I only know of the international race listings . In this Int. race , groups 4 , 5 , 6 , where all listed together. So I cannot tell you for certain. I would assume group 5 or 6 ? If I find out I will let you know.
Interestingly in the international listings . The Barth - Dolhem car (No. 132) is listed as 2.6L. The other Porsche entries in this grp. are all 2247cc , 2395cc , 2396cc , & 2.4L (listed all as 911S) . With one 911T 1991cc entry.
The group 3 entries are all 1991cc (13 of them , all listed 911S ...for whatever that is worth regarding listed model).
I've never seen an entry list with vin numbers. Only on VERY rare occasions ...a licence plate #.
Peekaboo,
I doubt that it is a different car, and I doubt that it is blue. (I.e.: look at some small details, too many things seems to be the exact same as the “green” photo.)
But, most probably, the engine have been changed., i.e.: remember, there are some words that the original engine of 001R is in another car (991R still.)
In my opinion, the car that Dominique Thiry used was the same in all of these photos, and, IMO, there are good chances that it is 001R.
At the beginning, (i.e.: hill climb of Wissembourg, in the French dept. of “Bas Rhin”) it looked like :
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...ique-Thiry.jpg
Note that in the B&W photo that you did posted above, the (D. Thiry) license plate, seems to be the same, i.e.: 3287 QJ 67 ! (Note : 67 is the department (state) of “Bas Rhin”, were D. Thiry was from.)
And, at the arrival of the “Grand National” in 1971 :
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w.../dscn0678p.jpg
..and before the restoration, it seems to have been like that :
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...-sfo/R20wr.jpg
At that time, the license plate changed, the car has plates from another French department “state”, i.e.: La Vendée, so, at the time of this photo, the car was most probably no longer the property of D.Thiry !
No , my referance to D. Thiry's 1972 car (later used by V. Bertapelle) was just saying that by 1972 Thiry was not using the green car with R front fenders (with extra wide flair). At least I don't think so. Unless this blue car was the green car with a complete make over (including new fenders & spoiler...or the old fenders modified to accept production lights).
As noted the Black & white photo I posted on post #190 was 1971 Franche Comte. And as you can see , yes it is the same green car.
I don't know how to put text in between photos on this forum , so I did not include a photo of the 1972 Thiry blue car I mentioned also in post #190.
Here he is in it. Again this is a 2.4 group 4 . I mean I think this is a differant car ? (you never know) . By 1974 (maybe earlier) , V. Bertapelle was using this blue car with the same exact paint scheme.
1972 Alsace-Vosges / D. Thiry below (2nd overall)
Here is a photo of it / Thiry at 1972 Dijon , prior to the custom stripes . Blue here also.
Car No. 2
Here's the blue car in 1975 with V. Bertapelle at Ronde des Alsace-Voges . Beside the paint. You can see the same plates as here with D. Thiry in 1972. Well , at least the same plate number ...they were just painted on in front.
Bertapelle finished 2nd overall here behind J. Henry. I believe there is a ducktail that you cannot see. Because in 1974 , it had a ducktail. Yes, Plates ending in 67 are from the Bas Rhin area.
What year is the Course de Cote de Wissembourg photo from ?
Here's one I have of Thiry prior to the wider flairs & green Paint.
1970 Ronde des Alsace-Vosges
Notice another 911R / pilote Lutz...."Alsacien Lutz , au volant d'une Porsche 911R louée à Wicky". You can see it has a Swiss plate : louée à Wicky / 'Leased to Wicky' (i'm not sure if this is a mistake by the author, and should actually be leased FROM Wicky. With the Swiss plate I would assume so. And I see Wicky on the front fender).
But this Wicky car has pivot vent wing windows. On the 1970-71 Thiry photos car. I don't think I see pivot vent wing windows (although from the photos weve just been looking at , it's hard to tell). But I do not seem to see the 'normal' plexi 911R door wing or rear qtr. windows. Or are they there ?
Hello Peekaboo,
I think we are now 100% in agreement, somehow I misunderstood one of your post, sorry for that.
Yes, I also think that the D. Thiry car, that was at the beginning mostly white, (the Wissembourg hill climb photo should have been taken in 1970) and that later the car become more green, (i.e.: at the "Grand National" victory. This car (the R), carry the plates 3287 QJ 67, and also IMO, is not the same as the the "Blue" one. Btw, to my eyes, the "Blue one" do not looks like an "R", and note also that it does carry a different plate number, but still in the "Bas Rhin" (it can translate as "Lower Rhine") that is part of a French area called "Alsace".
Like you wrote, my confusion came from the post where you mention “D. Thiry, rallye du Franche Comté” and next to this mention, you have “by 72, D. Thiry had another car…” ..and then come the (very nice) photo, that now, it is all clear, do refers to “rallye du Franche Comté” comment.
Btw, I did not know about this great photo, thanks to have posted it there.
For your info, the “Franche Comté” is another area of France, that touches Alsace and also Switzerland, and includes the Jura department.
Another “hint” : About French license plates, at that time, I remember that painted license plates was very common ..and legal in France !
(I even have seen French plates made using chalkboard..)
So, this is not something special at all. True that today, with Europe, it is not the same anymore.
Also, the last two digits, normally separated in the right side, are the number of the department (State). In France, each department (or parts of a department) have a fixed two digit number, and you mostly use these two numbers like in the USA we use the two letters for the States.
(So you have this way to tell from which department is a license plate).
Back to the R from D. Thiry, at this point there are only guesses that this was 001R. It would be great to have more facts in this assumption.
I also recently understood that 001R is no longer in the USA, but was then in Austria, and now in Switzerland since few days. But, it is true that I do not know if this is the “same” 001R that is known to have been restored in the East coast, ..or another one !!!
For sure, ..more to come !
Peekaboo wrote :This is also a very interesting post !Quote:
Notice another 911R / pilote Lutz...."Alsacien Lutz , au volant d'une Porsche 911R louée à Wicky". You can see it has a Swiss plate : louée à Wicky / 'Leased to Wicky' (i'm not sure if this is a mistake by the author, and should actually be leased FROM Wicky. With the Swiss plate I would assume so. And I see Wicky on the front fender).
First, to make it easy, when you say “louée”, it is not “leased” (I made myself this mistake in the past, in the other direction a few times..). The French verbe “louer” means “to rent”.
I agree that "louee a" could feel wrong, this is not perfect french, but, It could mean "rented at..", yes, it is confusing.
André Wicky, beside being a driver, was also a car dealer, specialist in performance cars and did rented race cars at many drivers, so this should explain this rented car.
(By the way, there is an entire topic about André Wicky (he is still alive) in Autodiva, with pictures and a lot of stories about him.)
Now, is this red car an R or not ? Very often, I had questioned myself about this, but, ..never found a firm and good response yet.
gva-sfo,
When I enlarge that page of the 1970 Echappement report of Ronde Alsace-Vosges. As I said , I can swear I see pivot type door wing windows on the Wicky car (do you have a better side photo of this car ? showing side windows . Or even better , one showing the passenger side to see a possible oil tank door ?) . If it does have pivot wing windows. Or does not have an oil tank door. Then it is probably not a factory built 911R.
A forum member here knows Monsieur Wicky, maybe he can ask him sometime.
PS - do you have a passenger side photo of the 70-71 Thiry 911R Type , to see an oil tank door ?
I have this one, sorry, ..wrong side !!! ..and wrong owner, you wrote Thiry, ..not Wicky. (I bet you know it already.)
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...0Alpin2070.jpg
If this is an R, ..the next question would be, which one it is ????
Nice shot thank you
No , I didn't type the wrong name. I think it would be productive to see period photos clearly showing the side windows and body passenger qtr. panel of Both cars. One should not assume anything.
Your last photo is of Criterium Alpin , what year / crew ?
Sorry, wrong name was a self comment to me, not to you!.
You asked for a right side view of Thiry's car, ..and I posted a (above) the left side of Wicky's car ! (..so the comment for this photo was "wrong side, wrong name".
But questionning, is the car of André Wicky an R or not ?????
And, still up : Was Dominique Thiry car's 001R ?
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http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...ique-Thiry.jpg
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Here is somethjing I just noticed . I do not know if this is any kind of tell tail sign / clue of anything factory vs. private built. But I was just looking through photos of rearends of 911R type cars.
In the photo of Thiry above at 1970 Wissembourg . It looks (?) to have the T-grab decklid small rubber tie downs (or at least nothing as long as the type below) . Look here at Chasseuil's 911R at 1968 Cevennes. It uses a completely differant rubber fastener. And this seems to be a factory 911R as the rear vented plexi Qtr. windows are present , along with the rear oil tank access.
I have included a 2nd following photo that shows this type of tie-down even more clearly. Robert Barret 1969 Rallye de Printemps , of which he was the vainqueur.
As far as I know this car is a factory 911R. And since these are 1968 & 1969 photos. Not much time had transpired to have had pieces changed out.
I don't have any rear end photos (I don't think , I will look again) , of known 911R's to know what type were used by the factory ?
I have one other . 1969 Targa Florio / Toivonen - Spoerry. So I don't know which is more correct. I quess the shorter T-handle type ?
For whatever reason, I cannot see the photo above (got a "red X")
But, per your writing, in the 1969 Targa Florio, the 911R driven by D. Spoerry and P. Toivonen, (DNF), should be the one with the race number 240 and the lic. plate S-K 2403. This car was light ivory with red stripes on the front hood, to my knowledge, this should be (the famous) #005R.
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http://gmundbrokerage.blogspot.com/2...ts-wanted.html
Slide show...
https://picasaweb.google.com/gmundbr...81933582015186
gva-sfo
How strange , your CC de Wissembourg photo . That I brought to my 2nd to last post with the quotes feature . Shows when not signed in to the forum. But once signed in ...it disappears ? In any regard , It is just your Wissembourg photo you posted in Post #195....nothing special or new...just showing T-handle rear rubber tie downs on the Thiry car in 1970.
Since I brought it out , anyone know the story of the other type rear tie-downs . Just a type used by the owners of this particular car ? Seen elsewhere in the Porsche world ?
The Targa Florio 911R is actually 911R 04. Porsche tended changed the license tags on their cars.
OK, I read already few times that Porsche have done that, and not only with the R !
..but:
Could you share with us how do you know that the Targa Florio car was 004R ?
(Is 005R or 004R that was sold later to Joseph Siffert ? ..or, both ??)
Thanks a lot in advance
Both were sold to Siffert, and used in the film Le Mans. You can tell the difference between 04 and 05: the back of the car. 05 had two reinforcement strips going down the rear window while 04 did not.
This photo shows the 908/02 "Flunder" taken at Porsche (1969 ?), behind it are 2 911R's parked side by side with what looks like plastic and tape covering the engine grills. Notice the R on the right, License plate S-K 2403 you can make out whats left of the Targa Florio start number. Also the exhaust pipes.
Appears that both of those cars had 4-cam motors in them at the time.
Note how the exhaust pipes have a wider spread than the normal R muffler. They are actually notched into the bumper corners.
Targa Florio R with 4-cam exhaust, and photos of #4R rear bumper taken at Rennsport, also 2 web photos of special exhaust.
Back to a page 22 post: A right side photo, for Peekabo, of Vicky’s car (an R or not ?):
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w.../photo037o.jpg
IMO, looking for example at the “A pilar side window”, it does not look like an R original type.
Ernie, thanks a lot for these nice photos.
A strange thing about the Targa Florio car is that we can see another photo, showing the same race number (240), on the same race, ..but with a kind of different “look” : Rear race number under red stripes in some cases, as you posted one, ..but one with no red stripes under th race number ?
See :
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...florio1969.jpg
Why can we find two type of back colors of this car ?
Is one photo about the trials, and the other from the race ? (..and car, even keeping the same license plate, have been swapped ?)
Now, to be back at the picture of the PSE “parking lot”, another strange comment : According to Targa Florio results: “240” Did Not Finish with a reason mentioned, i.e.: “fire” !
(At what we can see on the PSE photo, I do not observe any visible trace of fire on S-K 2403, ..with the red stripes !)
Anyway, the content of the PSE photo could make us thinking that it should in 69, after the Targa Florio, ..but prior to other races, so, around May or June.
About the mufflers, I did not realized before reading the above post, that the 4OHC engine) would lead to a larger muffler, and thus, a different "cut" under the rear valence. We can also observe a third case in the above photos : no muffler at all, where the pipes goes straight on the rear, from the headers, and in this case too, the exhaust pipes are looking to be more in the sides of the car ..than with the regular engine/muffler setup.
Yes, Cornpanzer, you may are right on the point.
On this one, it is even more difficult to see that subtle difference :
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...florio1969.jpg
same location different angle, plus colore...
OK, with this latest photo, 100% of my doubts are out.
(I'm now sure that the b&w was overexposed and the red stripes were washed out.)
Note, it is very funny : the guy at the driver door of the R is no longer here on the color photo, ..but the blond girl in beige pant, ..is still sitting on the fence ! True, in the B&W photo, ..we can see only one leg !
Either, she did stay there long time, ..or the two photos were taken at pretty much the same time.
Well, as we are showing above a good number of photos of 004R, that was one of the car the was later property of Joseph Siffert, I would like to mention, for those that will not be in Pebble Beach this Sunday, that there is an event in Altbüron (Switzerland) were many cars that were in close relation with Joseph Siffert will be shown. (The Altbüron retrospective of this year is a tribute to Joseph Siffert.)
Véronique Siffert, daughter of Joseph, will participate at this event, driving a 911, and about "R", Charly Cuénoud will be there too, with his car that some of you think it is not an original, (see in the photos of the last Ollon-Villars retrospective, i.e.: over 6'000 photos of the event, on line at www.photos-ollon-villars.com), when myself, I'm still convinced of the opposite..
I hope time will tell.
another view of the bumper cutout on R #4 along with the engine that was in the car when I took the photo, you can see two oil thermostats and a pressure relief valve, all for the Type 916 ?
Ernie, are you sure that your last photo shows an engine type 916 ?
For me, it should look like that :
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...ngineR4cam.png
While a “regular” 901 type 22 look like that:
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...o/moteur21.jpg
The top rows (left and right) of the OHC makes a significant bump, that should be visible. (And we should not be able to see the top row of the spark plugs.)
He wasn't saying that the 916 engine was there, simply that the car still has all of the ancillary oil fittings and pressure relief pieces.
Very sorry for my misunderstanding.
Please accept all my excuses.
no worries, hope I didn't come off "snarling". That's why we have these discussions, right? :)
the yellow factory prototype R (911S) also had/has 2 oil thermostats, the series R's have one. photo shows a Type 901/22 looking engine. Maybe each one set at a different temp. range, for the filters, and coolers to open each circut ? any ideas ?
Some pictures of that car here: http://www.titchati.be/porsche/Abbeville.htm
I wonder if 911R 014 is still around.
Heard a story yesterday that there was an original owner R here on Long Island that sold just a couple of years ago. I find that hard to believe but I am throwing this out here to see if anyone may know about this car. He thought it went to someone in the Carolinas.
Don
For those who will be at RR (Laguna Seca), 005 should be present, ..and the driver should be : Mr. Gérard Larrousse himself !
A pretty nice "réunion".
(I also understood that beside 005, at least 2 others "R" will be present.)
Another photo.
H
Harvey wrote :..my turn, I love this one (same car, i.e.: the Monza Records "Spare Parts") :Quote:
Another Photo..
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...eville-181.jpg
Note : only 33'249km on the odometer, ..may be the kms done on 3 wheels only count for half !
When RennSport IV comes around, you guys are going to be in for a lot of surprises. Who knows how many Rs are supposed to show up?
I don't know. 05 is supposed to show up. I don't know about the others.
1971 Rallye Vasco Navarro - Estanislao Reverter / DNF (cambio ...gearbox ?)
Attached are photos that I shot in 1991 of sn 11899015R
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hmentid=196097
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hmentid=196098
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hmentid=196099
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hmentid=196100
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hmentid=196101
Thanks Curt, nice photos.
According to what I heard during the Monterey week, 015 should be present during RR IV, so, a good time to take new pictures !
:)
Peekaboo wrote :Nice photo, thanks, but, ..do you have an idea about the chassis number of this car ?Quote:
Estanislao Reverter
Yes the rrIV should bring out a number of outstanding R's. Just to wet our apatite attached are some photos that I shot in 1990 in Monterey. I think this is sn 11899013, at one time was raced as a gray car that Dirk Layer re painted white
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hmentid=196200
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hmentid=196201
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hmentid=196202
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hmentid=196203
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hmentid=196204
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...hmentid=196205
Great photos, thanks. FYI, #13 was originally light ivory. The slate gray paint job came later. It was not originally grey.
Love the recent vintage shots Curt. I wonder what the market value was in 1990 for a 911R?
I expect that the factory race department had weighed all the color pigments and white was the lightest, so all the factury 911 R's were painted white and only new customer cars could order the red, blue, gold and gray cars as a weight to power disadvantage over the factory team.
I wonder which ones we will see at RennSport.
Sorry to hijack this thread but I have been interested in 911R engine lids for some time.
The above engine lid doesn't seem to have the central bar that I had believed was fitted to all SWB Cars.
An early photograph of a 911R shows it fitted with a standard engine grille rather then the expanded metal used on the above engine lid.
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...ane/911R-2.jpg
Could it be that the later 1969 Lid was fitted the the 'Larousse' Tour de France Car and this has now beome accepted as the standard fitment for all 911Rs.
It is interesting that Historika offer a reproduction 911R engine lid that has the central bar which must prevent the use of the Expamet Grille.
http://www.historika.com/porsche-par...ine-Lid/65.htm
Anyone know for sure?
The car shown is R#3 - the third of the four 'prototypes' & was fitted with an aluminium engine lid (the only 911R so equipped).
Bear in mind that the 'production' 911R's all had grp engine lids which were quite 'basic' - I would imagine the only proviso was that it looked vaguely 'stock' from the outside so why go to the added complication/expense of including the central bar (&, besides, I'm sure that the steel production 911 engine lid without the central bar would already have been in prototype form by this time).
Well, if someone would have told me: "One day you will see the reflected image of 001R in the front left of your car", ..I would had hard time to believe it !!
(Being Swiss, for sure, 001R is my favorite, as Mr. Joseph Siffert spent good time with this one.)
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...ise001R800.jpg
Is it not great to meet 001R across a stop ?
PS: It is interesting to note that now, 001R get the right deco colors, according to the glory days of all the Monza records.
001R engine
BIC car...........
Bic car... or "Magic-Fix" car ??? :)
During the Tour de Corse, I think, (Baron) Bic was not there, only "Magic Fix" (le coiffant qui ne graisse pas), i.e. something like: "the hair gel that do not make you greasy", ..which I feel it is funny to read right there !
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...o/Magicfix.jpg
That's none other than Tony Callas driving R#1. He's been working for over a year to get that car (along with the 904 that's behind it) ready for the current owner.
Tour de France = Bic and Magic-Fix
Tour de Corse = Magic-Fix
About 001R, in which Joseph Siffert spent quite a good time driving it, i.e.: the Monza records, or, one of those : 20’000 kms at an average speed over 200 km/h !
Few words to say that today mark the 40th years anniversary of his awful and fatal accident !
R.I.P Joseph, we think about you.
The second photo was taken 40 years ago today. :(
The above are REAL beautiful photos, I like them a lot.
May be, to stay inside the Topic, we should also post this one :
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...sche911r-1.jpg
Ernie W wrote :
Yes, exactos !Quote:
Pens and Hair Gel
Tour de France = Bic and Magic-Fix
Tour de Corse = Magic-Fix
..and during the 22nd Lyon-Charbonnière-Stuttgart-Solitude, ..it was “Scandale” !
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...usse20-202.jpg
But I think, for this race, Gérard Larrousse was not with 005, but with 008 ! (with Lic. Plate S-K 2402).
(..and 008 was equipped with a 4 cam engine at least for this event)
Would you agree on this ?
Just to be “accurate” on “Scandale”, I think one image is better than 1’000 words:
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...o/scandale.jpg
:)
#11899010R Manuel Nogueira Pinto/João Andrade Villar, here in this first photo, at the 1000k of Nurburgring in 1968, finished 24th.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7...2011820920.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/848...oconte1968.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5937/91120r20.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2173/91120r20a.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9896/granja1.jpg
Great photos and info 51reutter .
And it seems Senior Pinto , won some type of Portugese National Championship for 1968 in this R (I think this means for class : 'Turismo Especial') . And then switched to a 906 the following year , and won that years Grand Prix de ACP :
"Após Nurburgring, Mané Nogueira Pinto continuaria a correr com o Porsche 911 R , vindo a vencer o Campeonato Nacional de 1968
Ainda com a matrícula original, podem ver-se as linhas agressivas do 911 R, um carro bastante potente, mas que foi sempre penalizado (quando em compita com os mais leves carros de Desporto) pelo seu excessivo peso. Esse facto levou aliás a dupla Mané-Villar a trocar o carro por um mais leve Carrera 6, no ano seguinte.
Com este carro de Sport, Nogueira Pinto conseguirá apenas uma vitória, no Grande Prémio do ACP de 1969, disputado no Circuito da Granja do Marquês."
(about the 68 Championship) :
"Em 1968, adquiriu um Porsche 911R que estreou nos 1000 km de Nurburgring e subsequentemente utilizou no Campeonato Nacional de Velocidade, onde veio a conquistar outro Título Nacional (Turismo Especial)."
here is another picture of the Scandale car at Lyon-Charbonaise with a picture of the engine (or at least a part of it). I am interested in what evidence there is of what chassis it is and if it is the same car Elford drove in 1968 rallies also carrying the licence plate S K 2402.
Where did 911R 010 end up?
Great info aswell Pekaboo :cool:
I read on another Porsche forum it had the factory option rear flares.
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7939/r20homolog.jpg
I heard it went to Spain to Mr. Julio Gargallo here are some pictures, of the car at the "1973 Vuelta a España", not sure if if this is the #010R...
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9...allovuelta.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9...allovuelta.jpg
and here in other competitions,
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6477/hp72p01f34.jpg
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/337/hp72p01f35.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5...guerrerosh.jpg
cheers
Pics #2 to 5 are a 2.5 ST, only last pic correspond to the 911R.
Here you have another pic of this car and Julio himself ... (sorry for quality, pic took with my phone). Car arrived to Spain 1st november 1969 directly from Stuttgart with hillclimb suspension and gearbox specifications including 9" rear wheels, 7:37 gearbox, etc. weighing 860 kilos. Car was competing 6 days later in the "I Guadalest Hillclimb" (Alicante) which he won against a bunch of Austin Cooper, Renault Alpine 1600 / 1440 and Alfas...
Is 911R 010 still around, or does it not exist anymore?
DaveSR ,
If Pinto's was 010 , and he was racing it in 1968 in Portugal. That means if Gargallo's did not arrive until Nov. 1969 from Germany , it must have been a differant car ?
Also look at the Pinto R front fenders , there is an extra small light that is not on the Gargallo car front fenders.
That's it. In the racing biography of Julio Gargallo "16 Porsche...un piloto" he says that: its 911 R was sold to another pilot about mid december 1970 to a collector from San Sebastián (North of Spain). Julio himself says that this specific R unit never compete again.
The book has even the personal 911 settings for hillclimb, tarmac rallyes, etc. but unfortunately it is not the chassis number.
David
About "BiC / Magic-Fix" (005R), if any body knows the "painter" at the Miles Collier Museum, can you pass him the information that the name of Mr. Gérard Larrousse does spell with 2 x "R" :
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...fo/005800b.jpg
check your old fotos...It was restored that way, in error
Thanks Ernie,
I never noticed that one !!!!
..and still, I had photos too, i.e.:
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...a-sfo/1969.jpg
This is strange, as it looks like Mr. Larrousse was in charge himself of the stickers.
May be he was short of one R, ..or, simply to make it lighter ?
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w.../1969_tdfj.jpg
What is the decal forward of his name on the door ? : "......RALLYE SERVICE".
(And on the roof)
Julio Gargallo, ran many great Porsches here in Spain, had a direct relationship with factory. Many of his porsches, were either taken back to germany, factory or sold. The last prototype was sold from here, # 3 if not wrong, sold in boxes to the UK, Andy from the UK can corraborate more on this since he help restore this car.
Now, some say that there is still one of those prototypes here in spaiun, where ? thats the million dollar ? I am looking though!
The decal is :
Oui Gerard Larrousse
RALLYE SERVICE
13 km rallye LYON
JD
1965 Rallye FIA
1967 S R Clone
2010 997 GT3 3.8 L
Thank you all , very informative.
Thank you Raj
I too am very interested in the Rallye Service decal
Do you have a clearer picture of it? The one of your dicast is a bit out of focus.
Thanks
Dan
Raj,
..Pretty perfect French, (I would love to be as good in English ! :) )
and thank you for the accurate explanations about Club Gérard Larrousse - Rallye Service.
It is funny to note that depending on the versions of the stickers (the one in my photo looks different than yours), it shows different addresses !
see:
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...bGLSticker.jpg
So, in my photo, I have:
Club Gérard Larrousse
Rallye Service
13 Quai R. Rolland, Lyon
Note: R. for Romain, i.e.: you can Wikipedia or Google “Romain Rolland”, it is interesting.
I could add that "Quai" means a street that is in the front of water, i.e.: next to rivers, lakes or seas..
While we are right there.. I would recommand to any reader here that would visit Lyon, to stop ..just above this address, in the top of the hill and visit the "Basilique de Notre-Dame de Fourvière", this is just an amazing and beautiful place.
Here is a picture from this "basilique", (quai Romain Rolland is just underneath, in the front left of this picture, that I took this summer) :
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...eFourviere.jpg
Back to the topic (sorry for the H.S.),
These stickers are not really relevant, but, in my opinion, what is strange and somehow interesting in the details, is the fact to have seen Mr. Larrousse driving "his" car all over the France in 1969, with his name on his door written incorrectly !
I suppose that there is an "explanation" behind this anecdote.
gva-sfo that is a nice shot of the decal, Thanks
Would you happen to have any more?
..Yes, I do.
But, these are from last month, taken during RRIV, there are **Not** old vintage photos !
Still interested ?
I think we should "go back in Spain" and try to learn more about 010R, I feel a bit guilty to have disturbed this research with 005R "decals" details !
The only things that I "know" about 010R is :
11899010R : ? > ?> Manuel Nogueira Pinto (PO)/Joa Andrade Villar > Alex Soler-Roig > Max Pedrazzi.
Any news from Spain ?
gva,
I do know that prototype left here, from Barcelona in Boxes, but like i said Andy from the UK has much more info on it, knows the chap and the car, its 03, but theres is still an R around here.
from what i could gather, and i have tried to get info on it, being at it 5 years, its some where in the center of spain, barn, yard or something.
The latest car to surface was an RS, from a barn in good shape too. I will see what else i can find on this, and i do wish i could find the R, since its one of my dream cars. Ahh the car in question was white, and it was raced by either Gargallo, or by a driver in Galicia.
I am getting the book next week, will post pics of the cars raced here.
Platas, based on the inscriptioins there were many R's competing in Spain in the 60's and 70's. There were units coming from other European countries to participate in the main venues (Madrid and Barcelona rallyes and hillclimbs) but only two examples authentic from factory came to Spain: the one I've referred of J.L. Gargallo and another one of Víctor Palomo (ex -Baviera) which seems to be #11899007R ...
Recently published a book on JM Fernandez which could bring some light about those cars.
Also JLGargallo and me share the same Porsche specialist workshop (a well known profesional here in Madrid) so If I met him maybe could do some research...:rolleyes:
David
gva-sfo,
Yes I am very interested.
I apologize if folks feel I'm hijacking this thread or making this about one specific chassis I did not mean to. I am just a very detail oriented person and this car has some rather unusual markings.
Thanks
No problem Vintage_Racer 005 is a great piece of history.
Here are a few:
Un tour autour de 005R:
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...fo/005800a.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...fo/005800h.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...fo/005800i.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...fo/005800g.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...fo/005800f.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...fo/005800e.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...fo/005800d.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...fo/005800b.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...fo/005800c.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/w...fo/005800j.jpg
..And, to be back in Spain :
We should not forget the one of Reverter, that seems to have been destroyed (Pavon) during the Ourense Rally in 1971.
(The one that seems to have his engine ending up in a Renault Alpine !)
This car seems to have been originally bought in Italy (? de Leonibus ? / Jolly Club, and seen for example with the race number 1 in 1968, during the Costa del Sol Rally)
I never read about this chassis number, but the question could be : Did this chassis ended on a dismantler somewhere in Spain and disappeared, or ???
I would be very curious to hear what are the local rumors on this one.
More pics of Gargallo's unknown factory R. Taken with mobile phone sorry...