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Reference: Tool Rolls & Contents
69-73 contains:
P208 generator pulley holder wrench - this is the only piece showing any use, at the end.
Klein 21mm solid spark plug socket
DIN 911 SW 10 - Klein 10 mm Allen wrench
160 mm combination pliers with cross-hatched handles and chrome plated jaws
-Klein Phillips screwdriver with red plastic handle embossed "10000 VOLT W-GERMANY"
-Klein elongated-blade screwdriver with red plastic handle embossed "10000 VOLT W-GERMANY"
5 "Drop-Forged-Steel Germany" open-end wrenches:
* 8 x 9 mm
* 10 x 11 mm
* 12 x 13 mm
* 14 x 15 mm
* 17 x 19 mm
Klein 19 mm lug wrench with tapered end
Chrom Vanadium 19x22 mm box wrench
Like new basketweave vinyl bag with grey interior and perfect Cad plated clasps
1 Porsche Phoenix 9.5 x 710 Fan belt
Small Fuse Pouch with 5 fuses (4 sealed)
Unused Porsche Towel with label "Made in Germany 100% Cotton"
Reference: Tool Rolls & Contents
901ers and 1964+ production 911 owners,
Here is a very early SWB toolkit. As distinguished by the two-tone toolbag but with 356-like tabs on the snaps, unique to early 901/911s. When the transition to the grained tabless bag is hard to say, probably sometime in 1965. Included in these pics is a toolkit (the last and next to last picture with the jack is from the very nice original car, not for sale here; all other items in the post are the for sale item) from a late 1964 VERY nice 911. We will note that in this last photo with that jack that one wrench is wrong and most-probably the pliers too. However, should the buyer like pliers as pictured in the subject kit, we can substitute an identical pair of Hapewe pliers (further if YOU have info. that the Hapewe are correct, PLEASE advise.) I've added a second photo, at the very end, the bag shown with tabs-identical to the kit I'm selling- in the front compartment of the Dec. 1964 Production 911. All tools are mint or excellent; the bag is excellent. All tools including the Klein screwdrivers are guaranteed to be correct original OEM tools.
Price including shipping in U.S. is $3,250; outside U.S. is $3,300. Please email directly to DrRSR@aol.com. Thanks!
-Allen-
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SWB Spark Plug Socket Wrench (SPSW) also Towels
Here is the 12mm hex Allen drive version of the subject. Also, tool kits are often photo'd with a "PORSCHE" or "Porsche" towel. There is some debate as to whether tool kits originally came with towels. Some say ONLY the travel kit originally (not even later factory made up travel kits) came with a towel while others say even these had no towel. I've no opinion. Any documents or proof? Thanks.
-Allen-
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Drop Forged Large and Small Font and Pliers
Here are some photos that show: large and small font Drop Forged Wrenches. We can see from previoulsy posted "specimen" tool kits that the Large Font were de rigour for Long Wheel Base, post 1968 kits. Exactly when and how the small script Drop Forged came into use, I don't know. Opinions? We know the large font was present, of course, also for the 356 C kits BUT the 356C/SC (T-6) kits did not have 13mm wrenches only four not five wrenche like 911 (SWB and LWB) kits. Now the pliers have a satin finish for the SWB Porsche. Sometime, though, the pliers changed to a shinny chrome finish, also shown, exactly when? Opinions? These pliers are unmarked but some 356 pliers, at least, were marked Klein. As for the Hepewe pliers, IMHO we did not see them until at least 1972 if not later. Again, opinions? Thanks!
-Allen-
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Drop Forged Large Font Tool
Tool geeks,
Here is a 12/14 DFG'd, large font. This is from a 1964-1965 356C/SC kit. We know this because 12/14 is unique to these kits. Starting for the 911 kits, which gained 13mm nuts (which a 356C/SC did not have) there were five wrenches including a 12/13 and a 14/15. The 356C/SC kits only had four wrenches and this is one of them. Note the light machining at the ends.
Also I just checked one small font 14/15 DFG'd, and I can confirm what Eric wrote: the ends don't appear to have been machined. I'm guessing by this later point in time, casting/drop forging improved, so that maching was not required. For me, the ends of these look very smooth/excellent. And, of course, no post machining means lower manufacturing cost. Thanks.
-Allen-
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SELECTED STEEL wrenches / data point
I had 2 others of similar manufacture (10 x 11 & 12 x 13). they went to the original owner of a '69 to replace wrenches that had gone missing.
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Late Model Year 1966 Tool kit
Highly original tool kit from 304572, ~May 1966 production. Note bag color among other items including Messko in gray vinyl pouch and, mostly hidden, spark plug wrench. Large font Drop Forged Wrenches and tip of the Allen wrench for the spark plug wrench, 10mm? or is it the larger 12mm which we believe is from much earlier kits.
-Allen-
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1968S Elepphant Hide Toolkit
Here is a proper SWB (short wheelbase) toolkit with Messko that has the very rare Elephant Hide bag. Actually, I'm not 100% sure this kit came with a Messko. Opinions? Missing I suppose in technical sense is a fan belt and lug nut. Thanks.
-Allen-
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1968 Toolkits Spark Plug Wrench and Messko
Recently, I had a off-line conversation with a well-known knowledgeable list member regarding the pictured SWB spark plug wrench(s) and when they transitioned to the later knurled knob version. My 901 friend and I have assembled a picture and data database of a few thousand SWB cars and of about 400 1968 911s. So, I looked through the pics for toolkit photos. About 10% of the cars (these came from for sale cars on eBay, the list and other places) had toolkits pictured. I especially like photos of unrestored cars and photos of their toolkits for authenticity. Many of the toolkits were clearly wrong with waffle bags or even totally wrong much later bags. Most all the kits that had screwdrivers had the correct Klein drivers, some had the later 10,000 volt screwdrivers but were clearly, from other clues in the kit, not original. About eight kits had the 10mm drive spark plug wrench pictured below, where we could tell and the wrench wasn't down in the bag so we couldn't.There were some knurled knob spark plug wrenches in the kits but most of these were in "assembled" incorrect kit with, say, 10,000 volt screwdrivers. There were, somewhat suprisingly, several kits with 356 or 912 tools: the generator and/or the spark plug wrench.
There were ony a couple of cars with photos of the Messko but this is not suprising as these are often not in the toolkit, having either been lost, stolen or in the glove compartment. However, I just recalled I purchased an original 1968 912 kit from a gentleman who took it out of this 912 when it was new, put it away and sold it to me many years later and it HAD an original dual scale Messko in a grey vinyl pouch, just as we might expect ! So, to me a maroon/red Messko tire gauge was included in 1968 Porsche toolkits.
BTW it is distinctly possible that Klein, an international tool company still today, sold the "Klein 21" spark plug wrench at your local German hardware or automotive store. Just like Drop Forged Wrenches which, Porsche used, and were sold to the general public. This would explain the various versions of the open-end wrenches as well as the Spark Plug Wrench. Of course some special versions were apparently made just for Porsche. The 12/14 Drop Forged apparently was made for Porsche for the 356 kit as it is very rare. And, for example, the Hazet (little "a") 450 10/14 open end wrench found in 356A kits or the 11/12 found in the same kits; these are very rare and probably were made special for Porsche. For Drop Forged and Hazet wrenches, on eBay for example you'll see lots of "Porsche" advertised wrenches in odd sizes (and asking BIG Buck$) that were NEVER in a Porsche kit; frankly, mostly in-Germany sellers preying on the innocent and ill-informed or, giving them the benefit of the doubt, ill-informed sellers (although I've emailed many of them with links to, for example www.356tools.com.
And also my conclusion is the the 10mm drive Spark Plug Wrench pictured below was used consistently in SWB toolkits up and through 1968. I make the usual disclaimer that there, of course were exceptions and, we are ALWAYS open to addional information and are more than happy to change our opinion with more or better data. Thanks.
-Allen-
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Late 1973 and RS Screwdriver
RSers and Mid to Late 1973 Toolkit guys and girls,
Ran across this in my pic file. Correct reversible screwdriver used in the mid-1973 toolkit and for the RS toolkit too. Note bag "ties" from the most-accepted and common bag for the kit. Thanks.
-Allen-
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Open End Wrenches thru the years
Tool geeks,
Here are my guesses of the progression of 911 (and late 356) wrenches thru the years. Please give us your input !
1964-1973? : Drop Forged, large font, found in late 356 an early 911 (SWB and up) kits. These had machined ends. Believe some of these found in MUCH later kits
1969-1972: Drop Forged, small font, with machined ends, guessing around 1969 to 1972 (see above too)
Circa 1972: Drop Forged, small font, with non-machined ends
1972-1973: Selected Steel
1973, late: Selected Special Steel.
Sorry for the POOR finishes on some of the wrenches. Just for clarity: they should all be "shinny."
Note: VERY uncertain of dates for smaller font and SS and SSS. PLEASE supply your input ! Thanks!
-Allen-
PS Wish photos would show up in the order they are uploaded !!
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Selected Steel Open End Wrenches
Tool geeks,
IMHO Selected Steel open end wrenches may be THE rarest SWB and LWB up to 1974 toolkit wrenches. It has taken me over a year to find just ONE missing wrench to complete my "RS toolkit." I believe these wrenches were only used in, perhaps, late 1972 and almost for sure in 1973. All comments and data points always welcome ! Thanks.
-Allen-
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DFS Small Font Non-machined edges
Tool geeks,
Do you have a set of Drop Forged Steel (DFS), small font with non-machined ends like the ones posted just below? If so, PLEASE post a photo of your 17/19mm. Why? Some say it doesn't exist. Also, what date toolkit do you think they belong to? I THINK they came after the large font version but before Selected Steel BUT I'm not at all confident of this. Please contribute to this thread. Thanks.
-Allen-
PS I'm looking for my missing wrench and would like to trade or buy to get it. Also note the plating on this wrench is more yellowish with much less silver tone than large font, machined end DFS.
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Non-polished end DFS wrenches
Quote:
Originally Posted by
LiveFromNY
I've purchased dozens of these wrench sets over the last several years, and looked at dozens more, and have yet to see a 17/19 with non-machined ends. I'm confidant they don't exist which is why I'm of the opinion that only the wrenches with machined ends are 100% correct for our cars.
But I'm open to being proven wrong...
Well, I think this 18/19mm (no NOT Porsche and sold on eBay from Germany in a "Porsche set," ) I think proves that larger wrench sizes were made with small font and non-machined ends. Now we just need to find a 17/19mm. As I stated, I wish I'd paid more attention, say, ten years ago from what kits wrenches like this came from. Personally I do think they were authentic Porsche but, YES, the large font DFS are "the standard" Thanks.
-Allen-
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10MM allen wrench font types ?
top: small font DIN 911 SW10 KLEIN GERMANY
bottom: in a large font DIN 911 SW10 ...and in a smaller font about the same size as the above KLEIN W. GERMANY
comments please.
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19mm LWB tapered end Lug Wrench
Tool Cognoscenti... I haven't seen much discussion regarding 19mm tapered-end LWB lug wrenches. I have what I believe to be a correct tapered end lug wrench; however, I have another which has a slightly different angle. Which is correct?
Thanks,
Scott
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Green dot Jacks and more.
Tool and Jack geeks,
So, I don't know jack. :) Recently I purchased a jack as (mostly, yes I do that sometimes) a learning experience. Jacks may or may not?, be part of a toolkit but they certainly are an integral part of a 911s equipment. So, Let's start with the "Green Dot Jacks," and work our way down from here. I found this on a post here http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ighlight=jacks BUT, let's not use links and get it ALL here. So, is there consensus, this is correct info? I have another question re. "the Green Dots" how about the ones with the SOLID (not heavy pressed or formed sheet metal) for the part that goes into the jack receiver, the solid ones, are they PORSCHE? After we figure all this out we can go to earlier jacks. Thanks !
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the long and short of it...
2 "LWB" lug nut wrenches of differing lengths and different 19MM stampings.
comments ?
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Very early 901 and 911 tool bags
Tool geeks,
Very recently I found another very early SWB 901/911 bag with a few tools. This is further confirmation that the early bags were two-tone and, shinny and had 356-like tabs on the snaps. Note the 12mm (hex drive) SWB spark plug wrench (not the later 10mm drive one). This series of bags are made of heavy vinyl; I've also seen a similar vinyl on some (there are many colors for late 356 bags) 1964/1965 356s but those bags are not two tone. My car database still supports that there were about 1,000 of these bags delivered up through about May 1965. Please also note that one of the tabs unfortunately is missing on the posted bag here.. Thanks.
-Allen-