FS: @Paul Russell & Co -- '73 RS . . .

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03-28-2016, 10:31 AM
LongRanger

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FS: @Paul Russell & Co -- '73 RS . . .

VIN = 9113601154
Eng# = 6630613
Trans# = ?

'. . . Paul Russell & Company is offering for sale this wonderful 1973 Porsche 911 RS Touring Chassis# 9113601154. The car is fitted with a proper RS 2.7 engine (Engine# 6630613) however; one that was not originally assigned to this chassis. The car is Grand Prix white with Blue graphics and a black interior. This is one of the only 1580 2.7 RS’s built and one of the cars that helped Porsche solidify their racing reputation around the world. It features Porsche’s almost bullet proof 2.7 liter, 210 hp, flat 6 cylinder engine; while weighing in at only 2250 pounds it’s light weight allows for excellent acceleration and superb handling. This particular car was purchased by its current owner in the mid-90’s from noted Chicago vintage racer and collector, Joe Hish. It has been used sparingly since and is in excellent cosmetic and mechanical condition. This car runs and drives extremely well and is situated perfectly for weekday cruising or spirited weekend PCA track events. These iconic Porsche’s continue to appreciate and are wonderful cars . . .'

Asking = $600k

http://www.excellence-mag.com/classi...6#.Vvl1cvlVhBc

(Not mine)
03-28-2016, 05:10 PM
RSTarga

Ive never seen seats like that on an RS.
03-28-2016, 09:22 PM
72targa

https://paulrussell.com/rSales/class...ng.9113601154/

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongRanger

VIN = 9113601154
Eng# = 6630613
Trans# = ?

'. . . Paul Russell & Company is offering for sale this wonderful 1973 Porsche 911 RS Touring Chassis# 9113601154. The car is fitted with a proper RS 2.7 engine (Engine# 6630613) however; one that was not originally assigned to this chassis. The car is Grand Prix white with Blue graphics and a black interior. This is one of the only 1580 2.7 RS’s built and one of the cars that helped Porsche solidify their racing reputation around the world. It features Porsche’s almost bullet proof 2.7 liter, 210 hp, flat 6 cylinder engine; while weighing in at only 2250 pounds it’s light weight allows for excellent acceleration and superb handling. This particular car was purchased by its current owner in the mid-90’s from noted Chicago vintage racer and collector, Joe Hish. It has been used sparingly since and is in excellent cosmetic and mechanical condition. This car runs and drives extremely well and is situated perfectly for weekday cruising or spirited weekend PCA track events. These iconic Porsche’s continue to appreciate and are wonderful cars . . .'

Asking = $600k

http://www.excellence-mag.com/classi...6#.Vvl1cvlVhBc

(Not mine)
03-28-2016, 11:18 PM
HughH

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSTarga

Ive never seen seats like that on an RS.

are they sports seats without headrests but with the pleating done the wrong way (matching the rears as well)

the engine is out of RS 0584
03-29-2016, 04:42 AM
72targa

Quote:

Originally Posted by HughH

are they sports seats without headrests but with the pleating done the wrong way (matching the rears as well)

the engine is out of RS 0584

Search reference 9113600584
03-30-2016, 03:55 AM
edmayo

Looks like magnesium intake stacks ?
12-05-2023, 10:29 AM
DOUGS73E

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FS: European Collectables - Light Ivory Touring #1154

European Collectables, Costa Mesa, CA
1973 Porsche 2.7L 911 Carrera RS Touring
VIN: 9113601154
Engine: 6630613 (original in another RS, chassis 9113600584 [6631128])
Trans: -
Color: Light Ivory/Black Leatherette
Mileage: 20,328 km (indicated)
Price: US$547,500

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Dealer Description:

This 911 RS was completed at the factory in April 1973 and was built with the required specifications for delivery to Italy. It was finished with Light Ivory paintwork and a black leatherette interior. Individual options included Touring Equipment (472) and Sport Seats Left and Right (409).

Porsche factory records indicate it was sold in Verona, Italy in 1973 and was later imported to USA where it was issued a federal compliance label. Ownership records confirm it was in Maryland and Massachusetts until 2016 when it was exported back to Europe only to be reimported to USA in 2022.

The exterior body is very good condition with correct RS fender flares, correct panel gaps and white paintwork that shows well. Inside the cabin, the sport seats are comfortable, the dash top has the correct speaker grill, the door pockets and map pockets are brand new (from Porsche). The steering wheel is the correct size, 380mm as opposed to the 400mm model installed on T/E/S. The front trunk is unrestored, tidy, and shows no signs of accident damage or rust. The undercarriage is straight and solid, and the fuel tank has been covered by a protective skid plate. The Fuchs alloys have the desirable frosted finish and are 15x7 up front and 15x8 in the rear. New Pirelli tires in the factory recommended sizes were fitted in November 2023.

The current engine, number 6630613, was originally fitted to an earlier '73 RS, chassis number 911 360 0584. While there is no doubt that having the original matching numbers engine in an RS is the most desirable scenario, the second most desirable is to have a “real” '73 RS engine from another car. This is a great running and driving example that feels strong and well-sorted on the road and is an excellent choice for spirited weekend drives and long-distance rallies/tours.
12-05-2023, 06:06 PM
911MRP

“The current engine, number 6630613, was originally fitted to an earlier '73 RS, chassis number 911 360 0584. While there is no doubt that having the original matching numbers engine in an RS is the most desirable scenario, the second most desirable is to have a “real” '73 RS engine from another car.”

Hmm? Really? I wonder if owner of second series 0584 thinks the original engine being in some other RS from third series is in any way desirable other than the comfort if knowing it extant?

Unless the engine can be flipped to its original earlier RS at premium and a replacement RS spec still non matching sourced for lot less ? Might shake a few dollars out that way albeit with some cost and effort to locate owner and agree deal but this car would still be not matching RS after.

Isn't it binary — either matching vin & production number engine gearbox as factory fitted and recorded — or it is not the match of those things? Whatever other ( 911/83 ) number on the engine seems rather irrelevant as it’s simply a non-match? What am I missing in the logic of that sales blurb’s second most desirable assertion?

Steve
12-06-2023, 04:13 AM
Perry911

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911MRP

“The current engine, number 6630613, was originally fitted to an earlier '73 RS, chassis number 911 360 0584. While there is no doubt that having the original matching numbers engine in an RS is the most desirable scenario, the second most desirable is to have a “real” '73 RS engine from another car.”

Hmm? Really? I wonder if owner of second series 0584 thinks the original engine being in some other RS from third series is in any way desirable other than the comfort if knowing it extant?

Unless the engine can be flipped to its original earlier RS at premium and a replacement RS spec still non matching sourced for lot less ? Might shake a few dollars out that way albeit with some cost and effort to locate owner and agree deal but this car would still be not matching RS after.

Isn't it binary — either matching vin & production number engine gearbox as factory fitted and recorded — or it is not the match of those things? Whatever other ( 911/83 ) number on the engine seems rather irrelevant as it’s simply a non-match? What am I missing in the logic of that sales blurb’s second most desirable assertion?

Steve

Better to have an original RS engine than a non RS engine. So yes it would be the second most desirable scenario.
Here is a link to the other RS 9113600584. I wonder what engine # is in 0584?

https://radical-mag.com/2017/01/01/9113600584/
12-06-2023, 05:23 AM
911MRP

While not all owners know or care about RS details it would be nice if the owner of earlier car was at least aware its engine is still around. May make no difference if armed with knowledge but who knows a second series could be made matching again. Should increase value — to my question not sure that a different non matching particularly hurts the later car. Arguably if owner pays a premium to reunite to its factory match that would offset any loss of value the later RS . The of used “phrase close and
handgrenades” comes to mind. It either matche or don’t.

I read again assertion it is second best — I’m asking again why an engine liberated from another RS is second best? To me only second best because value could be released if removed reunited. The third series car will always be not matched regardless of if motor happens to be from some other RS or a RS type motor. I’m open to be persuaded but need the reason to be convinced.

Steve
12-06-2023, 06:02 AM
928cs

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911MRP

While not all owners know or care about RS details it would be nice if the owner of earlier car was at least aware its engine is still around. May make no difference if armed with knowledge but who knows a second series could be made matching again. Should increase value — to my question not sure that a different non matching particularly hurts the later car. Arguably if owner pays a premium to reunite to its factory match that would offset any loss of value the later RS . The of used “phrase close and
handgrenades” comes to mind. It either matche or don’t.

I read again assertion it is second best — I’m asking again why an engine liberated from another RS is second best? To me only second best because value could be released if removed reunited. The third series car will always be not matched regardless of if motor happens to be from some other RS or a RS type motor. I’m open to be persuaded but need the reason to be convinced.

Steve

I'm not convinced either with the "second best" option.
I don't see how this is better than a factory provided replacement engine, stamped as such or not.
12-06-2023, 07:11 AM
LongRanger

6631t28?

From the Lehrenkrauscafe Forum

VIN = 9113601154
Eng# = 6631T28
Trans# = 7831121

https://www.lehrenkrauscafe.com/vbfo...ad.php?p=66656

Curious what's in the Konradsheim book

Anybody check?

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12-06-2023, 12:18 PM
ibmiked

Quote:

Originally Posted by 928cs

I'm not convinced either with the "second best" option.
I don't see how this is better than a factory provided replacement engine, stamped as such or not.

I agree, although I may be partial. A documented factory replacement would be a 'second best' option in my mind, followed by an engine with the correct engine type but a blank case with no documentation, then lastly an incorrect engine with the correct engine type.
12-06-2023, 10:46 PM
HughH

it is 6631128

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongRanger

From the Lehrenkrauscafe Forum

VIN = 9113601154
Eng# = 6631T28
Trans# = 7831121

https://www.lehrenkrauscafe.com/vbfo...ad.php?p=66656

Curious what's in the Konradsheim book

Anybody check?

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12-15-2023, 12:03 PM
LongRanger

9113601154

Now at EC . . .

'. . . This 911 RS was completed at the factory in April 1973 and was built with the required specifications for delivery to Italy. It was finished with Light Ivory paintwork and a black leatherette interior. Individual options included Touring Equipment (472) and Sport Seats Left and Right (409).

Porsche factory records indicate it was sold in Verona, Italy in 1973 and was later imported to USA where it was issued a federal compliance label. Ownership records confirm it was in Maryland and Massachusetts until 2016 when it was exported back to Europe only to be reimported to USA in 2022.

The exterior body is very good condition with correct RS fender flares, correct panel gaps and white paintwork that shows well. Inside the cabin, the sport seats are comfortable, the dash top has the correct speaker grill, the door pockets and map pockets are brand new (from Porsche). The steering wheel is the correct size, 380mm as opposed to the 400mm model installed on T/E/S. The front trunk is unrestored, tidy, and shows no signs of accident damage or rust. The undercarriage is straight and solid, and the fuel tank has been covered by a protective skid plate. The Fuchs alloys have the desirable frosted finish and are 15x7 up front and 15x8 in the rear. New Pirelli tires in the factory recommended sizes were fitted in November 2023.

The current engine, number 6630613, was originally fitted to an earlier '73 RS, chassis number 911 360 0584 . . .'

https://www.europeancollectibles.com...911-carrera-rs

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