Is there any difference between the 3 items?
Richard Newton
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Is there any difference between the 3 items?
Richard Newton
From the wealth of info I've learned on this board...
- You can't get a Kardex for a post-1969 car
- The letter is rarer
- The COA is much prettier
There's a 4th --- applies especially to the post-'70 carsQuote:
Originally Posted by Richardnew
Maybe a year-and-a-half/two years ago, someone showed-off some kind of Porsche build-sheet --- not the Kardex (warranty)
Gotta find that post, again
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I think post-70 cars had Kardex written on microfiles, hence lost or not available as a copy.
As posted on another thread. Kardex for my 1970 911S.Quote:
Originally Posted by 72targa
Attachment 424343
Sept 69 printed form above...i think somewhere 1970 was the cut-off when they went microfiche..
And a February, 1970 delivery date.
it all depends... never say 'can't'
Putting it in print always seems to drive out new alternatives! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules Dielen
Probably a dealer invoice from the factory, like this...Quote:
Originally Posted by LongRanger
Attachment 424425
Cool, from Holland!Quote:
Originally Posted by beh911
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...970-car-wantedQuote:
Originally Posted by LongRanger
Post #5, member HughH references his previous posting of a 72 or 73 build sheet. I've been unable to locate the post he's referencing.
Don't forget that to make the microfiche you need the paper copy to photograph. The microfiche is a backup copy of the original. Nowadays we just have digital images; a whole filing cabinet worth on a CD.
There is also the Fahrzeug-auftrag or Vehicle-order. Very hard to obtain and apparently expensive. Normally only the cover sheet is seen. This was a full record shown by a tour guide.
The picture that Dave posted is what I was referring to although this is a close up of the first page on another one.
the RS book has a number of them pictured for different RS's and I think that is what I posted originally
I think I have 2 or 3 different copies of that full sheet that Dave just posted (but unfortunately none for posting on the web)
Attachment 424509
Dave's + Hugh's posts look to have the doc that I remembered --- those colored parts come to mind
This Fahrzeug Auftrag = 'vehicle order' seems to have exactly the sort of details that a Kardex would --- I'm noticing the option numbers
And? --- since there's no 'customer details' showing . . . you'd think there would be no 'privacy' issues w/ Porsche releasing these, eh?
Great stuff, You Guys!
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Great. I have only seen covers of this kind of document. What is it on the others pages?Quote:
Originally Posted by davep
Hmm, kinda strange that there is a Kardex available for 9110300991 but not for my 9110300114...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules Dielen
Not that I would really need the Kardex itself but at least I'd find out the correct trans# for my car.
--edit--
BTW, Jules. Nice handwritten note on your Kardex: "Auf Leistung gebracht"
OK here are some of the sheets used in the build process. I have taken identification off a couple of them and am not posting some others as they identify the car(s) but the most interesting point to me is where there is identification on most of the pages that dont have the VIN number , engine number and transmission number stickers on them seen on the "cover page" above the identification of the car is always by production number - proving to me that the VIN is added late in the process. these are from a different car than shown above and not all are necessarily from the same car to protect the identity but all are from 1973 MY :) These show a very manual process which is reinforced by other form,s I cant post that shows different people signing off their part of the process all on a master document
Great. Interesting to see this kind of documents. Thank you for sharing ;)
Tried to get a Kardex for mine, but I was informed a COA was all that was available.
My COA has the engine and transaxle numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomster
Very interesting Hugh. I would guess that these detail pages vary according to the year of manufacture. The transmission sheet appears to have the gear serial numbers, so they went into some detail where it was available.
I have collected several hundred COA`s and the details on them vary a lot. In the UK PCGB seems to provide additional detail such as selling dealer or distributor even for US delivery; I have not seen PCNA provide this. It almost appears that different national distributors work from different data sets.
yes I noticed that on the gearbox papers - there is an equivalent one for engines as well but I cant edit it enough to post a meaningful one without putting too much information out there
Relying on that would take "matching numbers" to a whole new level :D
As Dave stated above. COAs seem to vary from country to country.Quote:
Originally Posted by dummkopf
Porsche Germany will only state engine and trans #'s on the COA if you have filled them in correctly on the application form first. If you put a wrong number or none on the form the COA's fields will be left blank.
I did get information on the selling dealer's location though as my car was US delivery. I also contacted PCNA by email but they won't ship COAs outside US/CAN. The lady replying was kind enough though to tell me that the original trans # was a 1100'ish off the one currently installed. So now I know it must be somewhere + 7105995.
But even if I did get the correct # I assume it is rather impossible to actually track it down as I think it was replaced due to technical failure. Broken trans's would most likely not be stashed in someone's mezzanine...
I've been in contact with PCGB and they say everyone uses same database to assemble COA's. I had a COA from PCGB I don't recall it having dealer information on it for GB delivered car.
Phil