Pulse of the club

We had our monthly Registry meeting yesterday…

The Anniversary event was a big success … and even put us a few bucks in the black...
Thank you all for the support and help at the banquet.
Also for your participation in our fun run… it was a blast.
… And generally for all the support and participation in the entire Ventura event…
It was GREAT... :)

We need help!!!
We have 4 active board members doing all the things that keep this club running…
This takes an even greater toll during an event like last months … it’s the same for the R-Gruppe, PCA, POC, and all active clubs.
We need more people to help with the responsibilities. The requirements are that you be somewhat local to El Segundo CA. for our 4 hour monthly club meetings and be willing to do some work at home for the club. Please let me know if you are willing to help and share the some of the responsibilities.

We are still hovering around 500 paid Registry members with a registered message board participation of 1617.
This still baffles me. :confused:
If you don’t feel that this information source, quarterly newsletters, club roster, and the sense of community are worth the membership PLEASE tell me what would be.

Also… as far as INCLUSION … Does anyone not get that the Early 911S Registry, in spite of its name, represents ALL things early 911 regardless of distinction… We have stated it in our newsletter’s ‘editor's editorial’, and I have stated it several times on this forum. If anyone does not get that this club represents ALL early 911’s please let me know.

Besides needing help on the board, and needing more members in the club, we seem to be plugging along as we have for the last 10 years here in California and 15 years all together...

If there are other ways you feel we can better serve the Early 911 community PLEASE let me know and we’ll see what we can do… This is your club; please remember we need your help to run it…

Cheers and thanks,

Chuck,

I certainly can't measure the perception of others as it pertains to your comment, ALL things early 911 regardless of distinction… however, I myself, did not join the Registry until I bought the S,simply because I thought ownership was required. I guess that I was wrong, but nevertheless, that was my perception. Come to think of it, I'm not certain that a casual visitor to the Forum would come away with the (here's that word again) perception that the group is all inclusive.

The S Registy has a great name and logo, but I suspect that the name alone is going to make for an uphill struggle to attract the remainder of the long hood crowd. I'm certainly not suggesting that the name be changed, but it's kinda' like owning a German Shepherd and having someone suggest that you join the Rottwieler Owner's Group; "Say What"? Please excuse the lame analogy, but there's probably going to have to be a concerted effort, as opposed to word-of-mouth, in order to demonstrate the "open door policy" to all folks with early cars.

There is a recruitment method used by the three major German Car Clubs, which might be worthy of consideration. In most issues of the BMW Roundel, the PCA has a small ad which reads "Is you other car a Porsche"? One can see the same strategy by BMWCCA in the Panorama. The Benz club does the same sort of thing. Subject to affordability, of course, perhaps Excellence could help us to reach that massive lower extremity of the proverbial iceberg.

Because You Asked,
Jim

Does the club now have a T registry? E registry?

I didn't join until I got a '73 (T) even then thought maybe I was cheating - years ago tho.

Also, a pls join the club msg that goes out with the intial Email to register for the bbs might help.

Jim and Randy,

Thanks for your comments...

Jim,
I understand your comment would be more in line a while back ...

However, if you had a friend who owned an early 911 T, E, L or whatever, and they where seeking information, advice, counsel or just a place to hang they're early 911 community hat...... where would you send them? Then of course, after getting that information why wouldn't they want to join?... :confused:

Randy,
If I'm not mistaken, we now indeed have a direct membership pop-up or hyperlink when you register for the message board... thanks, I think you suggested that before... ;)

Also about the T, or E registry.... well, if you look at your club roster you will see the ALL club member,s early 911's are listed buy the same information as the S's ... Chassis #, engine#, and as much info as the member is willing to give.... :)

Cheers,

Chuck,
I think all early 911's (1965-1973) are unique cars. Whether it's a 911, a 911 T, a 911E or a 911S; I'm happy to have them a part of our group...
PS. Great time at GAF and nice banquet...
Rich
Richard Sutliffe
#37 or something like that...

or six seconds on the phone. I am willing and able to help, if that helps?

I hate to say it (again), we discussed this near the hotel pool in Ventura last year, the membership fee will need to be increased.

I attempted to shame non-member forum users by instigating a "show your membership number" drive. That attempt made me look as a deek head.

You guys have been running on empty for too long. Some others need to provide time and assistance to this p car community.

I will be honered if asked to help out. #447 Shawn. :)

edit: that is the only picrure I have of the earlys911reg tent and management crew.

I would love to help out as well. Being in the Bay Area, I couldn't make any face-to-face meetings very often, but I do have phone/e-mail/fax. How can I assist?

Have you considered reserving www.early911registry.com and linking it to the existing website? I'm not sure if it is available, but this might be a way to bring in our "T" and "E" friends to the board and all it offers.

Chuck,

How is it we only have 500 members and I see Registry member #'s listed in the 700+ numbers??? :confused:

Thanks for your offers and suggestions so far... will be getting in touch

Sweet,

The discrepancy comes with the original club started 5 years before 'we' got it and approximately 100-150 original members (like Paul) had received the first prototype newsletter and somewhat sequential member numbers... most are no longer with the club... In deference to the original members we started our numbering system after those numbers.......... i.e.... I was in the original club only after about 10 months... and I'm # 109 ... Paul jumped on it a little sooner back then and owns #15

Hope this helps,

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the membership fee will need to be increased.

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That's a bit like the government raising the taxes of honest folk, instead of collecting arrears from the non-paying deadbeats. Folks in Boston will dress up like Native Americans and throw stuff into the harbor. ;)

Jim

Actually, I'm #8 in the S registry, #15 in R Gruppe. Guess I know a good thing when I see it! ;) C'mon guys...as early 911 owners, we all know that you gotta pay to play. Send the check!

I joined the Regisrty as soon as I purchased my car. I was hoping to find as much information as I could specific to the "S" cars to assist me with my restoration. To a degree, I have found just that. The message board has been a great source of information. I follow others who are involoved in their own restoration projects carefully. I keep tabs on the sources for those hard to find items and service providers. I feast on the project pictures posted by other members.

The news magazine is a fine product. But even though it is well written, it frequently lacks the information portion that I crave. I read the write ups of events, but I feel like a total outsider. Unless you were at the event, the names, faces, and insider "jokes" miss the mark.

I'm sure some will be thinking "Get involved with the events and it will not miss the mark." I understand that. I try to attend as many PCA events as my schedule allows. Fitting in Registry events that are rarely in my area is next to impossible. And since my car is in pieces, driving my Toyota double cab to a Registry event wouldn't be much fun.

I would like to see more beginner type information on the cars. Focus on the restoration and care of certain elements across the various years. For example, restoration of the interior of a door. What are the differences from 66-73? How about Brake systems? What are the options? Steering wheels seem to be of great interest. How about an article devoted just to Rims? While technical information regarding compression ratios or gear ratios may be the cat's meow to some folks, it is lost on me. Perhaps a balance of information would attract more folks.

I'm relatively new here and certainly do not wish to step on any toes. I ceratinly do not know the history of the ideas that have already been attempted. I am just offering my perspective.

Thanks,

Joe

Thanks Chuck!!

If you need any help out here in Colorful Colorado - just give me a shout :)

A couple of comments. Most (if not all?) the activities are regional. Being in the midwest prevents many from participating. It makes the registry feel exclusive. If there were more regional events, maybe more people would be compelled to join?

Some perceive the 911Sregistry as an extension of R-Gruppe and exclusive rather than inclusive. Maybe simply from the fact that many of the more active members here also happen to be R-Gruppe members that own some really nice (and unobtanium for some) cars. I think some get intimidated by that (obviously, not someone like me who is also a proud GruppeB member :) ). Perhaps that perception discourages some?

Just some thoughts...not sure what, if anything, should/could be done about it.

I'm in South Florida most of the year and would like to help out. E mail me if needed.

Branding and convenience sell.

We have neither.

It's to hard to pay and the club's name is too exclusionary. You can say "we love all things longhood", but perception will always be of exclusivity until we walk the talk. Not be a voice of discontent; as an 'S' owner, the 'S' part of the registry is cool by me. BUT, if we want to get more registered members, we NEED to address the convenience and perception issues or we will be stuck where we are. I know I am sounding like a broken record here, but the truth is the truth.

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We are still hovering around 500 paid Registry members with a registered message board participation of 1617.
This still baffles me. :confused:
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Bear in mind that 600 of these 'registered users' have zero posts, and likely do not visit the board reglarly if at all. I'm sure a few are 'lurkers' in those 600, but there are also hundreds of 1-3 post 'users' that also are probably not close to being regular.
There are probably a few duplicate usernames as well in that list (from people forgetting passwords & starting new accounts).

Is it possible that there just aren't more than about 500 people who are truly passionate about these cars? Passionate enough to consider all other Porsches (and all other cars in general) as 2nd class citizens to the early car? Passionate enough to join the club and participate? Just a thought.

I visit a couple of M3 forums occasionally. Most of the regulars on those boards are as passionate about the M3 as we are about the early 911. Personally, I don't have any real passion for the M3 even though I think they're great cars and I own 2 of them! But I wouldn't pay to join an M3 club. Maybe there're early 911 owners who feel the same way?

My only thought on Curt's point is that all M3s are truly modern cars. They can act as great transport, for the enthisast and non-enthusiast alike. Driving an old 911 is a great pleasure, but not without the pain that is commensurate with driving a 40 year old car. It takes a decision clouded by enthusiast reasoning to drive these cars. Early 911 owners drive their 911s for one reason: LOVE. You have to be crazy about early 911s to drive one...period.

I know a lot of M3 drivers who drive them only for getting from point A to B in style. That coupled with the sheer number of M3s on the road and I don't think the comparison holds except in very general terms.

I'm talking about the original e30 M3. It's a real cult car and closing in on 20 years old. Fewer of these built than early 911s by far. Guys who are into the e30 M3 (insert 'early 911') consider the later e36/e46 M3 (insert 'SC/964/993/996/997') versions to be sacrilege - overweight, overpowered, overrefined, and overoptioned - and have no interest in them ..... sound familiar? ;) Anyway, the point being that we may be a little too close to the trees to see the forest.

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I'm talking about the original e30 M3. It's a real cult car and closing in on 20 years old. Fewer of these built than early 911s by far. Guys who are into the e30 M3 (insert 'early 911') consider the later e36/e46 M3 (insert 'SC/964/993/996/997') versions to be sacrilege - overweight, overpowered, overrefined, and overoptioned - and have no interest in them ..... sound familiar? ;) Anyway, the point being that we may be a little too close to the trees to see the forest.

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Good point. Early 911s are counter-cultural. Why spend money on an old "dilapidated" car when you can buy new, shinier, faster 993 or 996, blah blah blah? :rolleyes: I guess it could be as simple as that.

Ah, we were talking E30 M3s. We are talking apples to apples with E30 M3s, except they are still much easier to street daily than an early 911.

Branding is the key!

We need to stop piggybacking on the R Gruppe and either lead the way or be an equal. It seems R Gruppe members organize (I appreciate the effort on their part) most events and just let us follow along. I understand many are members of both groups, but the R Gruppe is the one that gets the attention and talk. Look at any recent magazine featuring an early car and the article will mention R Gruppe and nothing about the registry. Also at events like GAF the corral for our cars was not referred to as the early 911 corral or the 911 Registry corral it was the R Gruppe Corral.

The fact is we are not recognized as a club or group we're just a bunch of registry members with a slow but helpful board with a minimal amount of events, very boring. The fun factor is what's missing, we need to host events and invite the other groups to join us and brand the events as Early 911 Registry events.

B.D.

Sounds like you have some good comments and ideas...

How would you like to come to our next meeting and perhaps volunteer to help with events and our image.... I'm serious... WE NEED HELP

Costa Mesa isn't that far...

El Segundo for about 4 hours on the 1st. Sat. of the month.. every month...
and a little work at home depending if an event is close... then it's lots of work at home......... but the more people - the less work

I agree with most of what you're saying...

Please step up

We are still hovering around 500 paid Registry members with a registered message board participation of 1617.
This still baffles me. :confused:

let's say there is a concert going on at the local venue. doors are open for all to enter but you still have to pay the guy inside for the event - the honor system. some people stay for the show and pay. some people stay for the show and don't pay. some people enter, listen for a tune or two and leave. all who entered are counted. the money is counted and does not equal the number of people - big shock. the honor system is obviuosly not working. who do you blame? FLAME AWAY!

i think this is a great site and gladly pay. i don't want to get into the whole "for paid regesterd members only" and exclude other people. seems to me a hard decision needs to be made or we'll be reading about this again in a couple months. FLAME AWAY!

"we need to host events and invite the other groups to join us and brand the events as Early 911 Registry events."

On the positive side, the awareness and popularity of the club is growing, outside of southern Calif. anyway. We've got a meet coming up in a couple of weeks here in Michigan. Looks like we could have 10-15 very nice early cars in attendance - that's huge by midwest standards where members often have to drive hundreds of miles (or load their cars onto ships!) just to get to the event!

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Please step up

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Chuck I tell you what I'll step up and I'll see you at the next meeting. I would be happy to volunteer to help with events and the registries image. PM me with the meeting details.

Just got this email from my future wife (getting married on 10/15): "I can help you organize events, I love making calls etc. Get your butt up to El Segundo!"

As a lurker I'll answer the easy question first, why haven't I joined? (or rather why didn't I renew, as I did join the Registry back in '99)
Main reason is one that has already been stated, I live so far from the epicenter of the group, that it really wasn't realistic for me to participate. And active participation is the biggest reason in my mind to join a group like the S registry, or the PCA.
2nd reason was even though I was welcomed to join as an 'L' owner, I wasn't a "member", I can't remember the term that was used at that time for non 'S' owners, but there were members (S owners) and the others. Sounds like that is being resolved. :)
As to what to do about those early 911 owners that don’t join because they are distant from CA (or Michigan ;) ), I see it as kind of a chicken and the egg problem. In order for there to be "chapters" of the registry around the country there has to be members around the country, but if folks won't join because there is no local chapter, how do you gain any members? I don't know the answer to that one.
Regarding what Mr. Tilton said above, his analogy is perfect.
I think having this board available to the general public is a great promotional tool, so to make it for members only might be counter productive. It has opened my eyes to what is going on in the registry, and has made me feel sufficiently guilty about not being a paying member. :o

Thanks B.D. will get back to'ya...

As for difference in 'sexiness' between the Registry and R-Gruppe...
Well, allot has to do with the time available... Roger and the Gruppe does a bang-up job organizing events and runs and alike... We wish, with the 4 board members we have, we could have the time to do more of that with the Registry...

However...
The Registry keeps a very accurate club member/car data base
We also publish, write, and edit a quarterly news letter...
We also have a well run club merchandise concern...
We try to keep up the clubs web site and message board...
And... every once in awhile do events as well...

So...

We are the reliable - steady Freddy - on time - go to - information source for all of us to turn to all the time.... We're always here...

If that isn't enough for the price of a $30.00 membership please you tell me what is.

When we have more board members and more time I promise we'll be more sexy... ;)

I am # 771, but one of the reasons that i think people do not pay, its because they either come accross the web site looking for an early 911 or they think why pay for somehing if a can read it for free. Its the web :rolleyes:
I would pay double or more, since i think that most of the guys here have really great inputs and not to say experience with early cars, besides being very entertaining, the kind of info giving here would cost a lot of $$$$ if you where to take your precious to the shop every time you had to do something to it, or if you needed advise before buying, so please all of you great participants who post with out being a paying fee member, join us so we can keep this great site alive and if i can help from here,let me know.
For us guys who live abroad i know that its a dayli fix to log in :) .
May be a emblem or something to let some one know that you have joined, or just the membership #, like some one sugested .

If one wishes to observe a highly successful "model specific" organization, look to the 356 Registry. They have:

25+ years of history
Low profile President and Board of directors
Highly acclaimed semi-monthly newsletter
A useful and informative website
A somewhat primitive, but very effective daily tech question web board.
A minimum of two (356 Holiday) events, in different regions, each year.
Many local and fully autonomous chapters who host the above Holidays.

I like darn near everything about this group, and what I don't like is trivial anyway. The absolute best part of their whole deal is unquestionably, the Holidays. They are high on comradrie; parking lot BS runs from start to finish, a couple of low key (no PCA suits and ties) dinners/lunches, two or three drive-your-car touring opportunities, a people's choice concours as well as ample time to scout around the city you're visiting. Throw in a tech session or two, a club goodie store, a hospitality room, Memorbilia/NOS & aftermarket displays and then top it off with a Sunday morning swap meet. Ask a 356'er who's been there.

Lots of the ingredients which comprise the 356 Registry are already present in the Early S Registry, and perhaps, just for the sake of experimentation an event somewhere in the heartland should be considered.

I aint' complainin' about what we've got here, but if we seem to be at a crossroads, then perhaps we should consider where we wish to be, say five years down the road.....


Jim

I know that when I first found this board, I immediately branded it as rather exclusive since the Registry was deemed for S's, by definition. I was hesitant to post since I did not own an S, but was shopping. As an aside, I bought an S from an owner who posted on the Registry classifieds. But back to my main point - to a non-S early car owner - the club does appear to be exclusive to S's unless one prowels the posts or 'confesses' to owning a non-S, upon where the individual is welcomed in with open arms. Getting back to the exclusivity notion, there is a major misunderstanding as to exclusivity of the R Gruppe which shares this board - and thus it becomes guilt by association. (The main peve about the R Gruppe posted by Pelican members is the limited # of openings, having to own an early car (usually), and having to be nominated for selection. The point of this rambling is not only to paint that perception creates reality but the reluctance of many to perhaps join. Off the main page, "A website devoted to early 911S Porsches (got an early 911? Join us)" If one doesn't bother to dig deeper, one might miss, "You do not need to own an early 911S to join!

"Since most of the information we publish pertains to all early 911 Porsches, we welcome owners of any early 911, including the 911T, 911E, 911L and the rare 911R, 911S/T and 911RS. In fact, you don't even need to own a Porsche to be part of our group. All you need is an appreciation for the car and a desire to communicate with like-minded individuals. If this sounds like something you might enjoy, please contact us, or use the membership form."

A suggestion might be to change the name of the club to be more inclusive. One proposal is 'The Early 911 Board and 911S Registry'. The later message and early S rhetoric would need to be toned down.

But all of this begs the question as to the real purpose of the group/club/registry? This is something beyond my humble brain.

To be honest, I didn't know it was possible to become a paying member of the group until I read this post... Maybe I should have read around the website more but in the forum area (where I spend all my time) it's not clear at all.

Personally I wouldn't change the "Early 911S" name or structure. I would just add further divisions for the other models.

I terms of getting people to make the jump from being purely a forum viewer to a fully paid up member why not have forum areas which are only for full members? Whilst all the info is free there is no reason for people to pay.

I guess I should get a full member ship now... :rolleyes: Where do I go to sign up?

http://www.early911sregistry.org/members1.html

We seem to keep hitting this subject under different thread headings. I started here because I needed info, even though I have an "E". At some point, someone (I think that it was you, Chuck) suggested that I join. The check was immediately in the mail.

There's a wealth of info here, and some people just won't join no matter if its easy (read - PayPal) or hard. No matter if it was called the 911Everything Registry or not. But I think that a regular reminder for those who post but don't pay is in order. I think that restricting this board to those who pay is wrong, and would limit it's value.

I also like the informal gatherings, like the Midwest is going to have this fall. When we started this last year, someone on the West Coast suggested that it was an "unsanctioned" event. I don't know if it was tongue in cheek or not. I think that any gathering of early cars deserves mention and kudos. There just ain't a lot of us out there.

And I truly love ya guys (sniff) I really do. ;)

larry

Jim,

What are the annual dues for the 356 Registry and approximately how many members are in the club? Is any of the material on their website protected for members only? Thanks.

some of the groups I belong to limit certain features of the forum to members only, often the ability to posted wanted and for sale items....this way, if you want to sell and item, you need to pay the $30 membership first...the only downside is it might reduce the number of items for sale.

I gladly spend the $30, it takes very little to justify the expense. I think the only reason not to do it is laziness....maybe accepting cresdit cards or at least paypal, even if there is a $1 or $5 surcharge would make it easier....but still, some will claim laziness....it is also possible to set up a recurring annual paypal payment, or subscription service....this is done by the registry folks, so the subscriber could select to join for one year, or to renew automatically.

-Lewis

The 356 Registry site has sections accessible only to members, as does the RGruppe site (although not much is on it) I wonder if a tiered membership arrangement would make sense. I think the Rennlist site also has sections accessible only to members. The 356 Registry holidays are organized by volunteers years ahead and are highly concours focused. I suspect the demographics of the 356 crowd are somewhat different - likely older, less driver-focused. Even the 356 Holidays are not without their detractors - principally on the grounds of expense. At some point the complaints about the cost or inconvenience of joining the Early 911S Registry seem more than a bit disingenuous.

It's my understanding the 356 Registry has about 7,500 members, according to one of their Trustees :)

If how you pay is the problem i think its an excuse, yes it would help to have pay pal or credit, but i bought a calling card 5 € and called directly and michael took my credit number and joined, sent me my decal and still waiting for my esses :rolleyes: but i joined, and hey i am in spain wich is a tad far.
I know also that there are guys who are farther than my self and have joined.

Platas,

Please e-mail Fred Trueman and see if your ESSES has been sent... If it has not, he will fix it... fctruem@socal.rr.com

Cheers,

I am in the process of joining, its just that I sent Michael Hammond a question about CC's etc and I have not heard back yet. It's only been 5 days, so I will wait and see.
I do not have a 911 but hope to, in the near future.
I also notice that the domain name early911registry has been acquired by this board. Perhaps it forebodes a change in name? Remove the "s" to be more inclusive of all longhoods?
Thanks,
Karl.

Karl,

What are you referring to with CC's...

May be I can help...

Cheers,

Thanks Chuck.
I was under the impression that payment was via cheque but that renewals for existing members was possible via cc.
Then when i downloaded the form i see that it refers to cc as a form of payment. Before sending in my cc info, i wanted to verify that as a new member, i could pay via cc.
Thanks,
Karl.

A few months ago, via Chuck's generous invitation, I attended a monthly board meeting. And let me tell you, these guys work their butts off for y'all. It's very impressive.

At that meeting, I brought up the idea of changing the club name to "The Early 911 Registry." I feel there are dozens, maybe even hundreds of early 911T, L, and E owners worldwide who would be more than willing to fork over the membership fee, and more, for t-shirts, keychains, hats, etc., if they felt that their car model wasn't being excluded by the name of the club. (While I'm a paying member, I don't own a T-shirt or hat because I feel weird wearing something that specifically excludes my 911E. And I was thinking I was alone in this feeling until I started reading other posts from people who apparently feel the same way.) I suggested that changing the club name would help enhance the club "brand," shift the $$$ balance sheet permanently into the black, and help the club expand and grow over the next five years.

I wasn't invited back to another board meeting. No hard feelings. I'm a TV writer. Rejection is 95% of my job. (Plus, I want a ride in Chuck's awesome car some day so I'm not out to flame anyone on the board.)

But let me ask a question of the folks who own a 911S...

Would it ruin your club experience if the S was removed from the organization's name? Or is that exclusive designation important to you?

Just wondering...

It ouldn't bother me a bit, Sandy. Legacy and history are hard to let go of, but I think it is worth the trouble. As a newer member, I don't have any of the historical affections to the name. To the contrary, I remember considering buying a T or E many years ago and thinking I would not be welcome here as an equal. I think the name has problems. Imagine if the NAACP were called the National Association of (enter race here) People: do you think that other minorities would feel welcome or feel like second class citizens if one race were explicity called out in the name? Think about it...

Sandy,

So sorry you felt you needed another invitation … I was under the impression that you were not interested in attending another meeting… Please, you are more then welcome … And as you know, they are almost always the first Sat. of every month…

And … you can have a ride in my car any time… ;)
BTW - please look at this thread: http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ead.php?t=8055

BTW II - Never heard how your last short track weekend went … You missed Ventura for it … was wondering if everything was OK ? :confused:

We are indeed going through allot of discussions and proposals at the meetings…

Nothing happens over night in our little club… Considering where it was when it started 15 years ago, and where we are today is quite an accomplishment…

We just need to get healthier, and perhaps more diversified...

Cheers, and thanks for your comments

Top 10 rejected name changes from the last board meeting:

10. The Newer Than 64 But Older Than 74 Except Maybe 74 And 75 Carreras But Definitely No 4 Cylinders Unless Maybe If You Also Own An RS That Isn't A Clone Registry.

9. The After Bathtubs But Before Buggy Bumpers Registry.

8. Pgruppe

7. 'L' 'E' 'T' 'S' All 911 Together

6. The Southern California Owners Of Old Porsches Who Occasionally Acknowledge There Are Cars In Other Places Too But Not As Nice As Ours Of Course Society.

5. Fraternal Order of Sport Seat, Tool Kit and Grill Light Police.

4. The Dash Cracks On the Same Place On All Of Them So Who Gives A Crap Registry

3. The Fuchs You Buddys.

2. The All Cars With Opening Rear Quarter Windows And Some With Opening Vent Windows Too Registry.

And the number one rejected name change from the last Board meeting -

1. Pelicans Anonymous!

John, I like your brand of humor.

However, limiting non paying members to access would be wrong. My free access to this site was the reason I joined (and paid) the Early 911S Registry.

I once again state that we need membership costs at $35 per year. Then we need an icon that inicates non members that post. How about a large "NON MEMBER" ghost like image in a light red color across the screen?

I am just a guy with an early car that benifits greatly from all the knowledge that is posted here. Please do not consider loss of the 911 S designation.

Shawn.

When I first joined the Registry in '98 or so, I didn't have a true S car but rather a '66 converted to '67S specs by a previous owner. I did not feel excluded or "looked down upon" in the least, but maybe that's just me. I just really don't feel much shame, perhaps? :D

I met Craig Stevenson and a couple of other Registry members at an autox at the old EVOC track out in San Berdoo and he encouraged me to join even though I didn't have a real S, so I never knew or felt that there was any prejudice towards the "lesser" models. Since I beat his time in his real S that day by several seconds, I didn't really feel inferior... ;) I'm not sure where other people got that impression. :confused:

I don't really care one way or the other about broadening the scope of the Club by changing the name, but if it will help the financial picture and keep the Club alive, I am all for it. I have two bastard cars and one real S at the moment, and I love 'em all. It's all good...

TT

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At that meeting, I brought up the idea of changing the club name to "The Early 911 Registry."

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Directionally, this could move the ownership benefits of our cars (all early 911's) to the next level. Rather than the T, E, S, L and other clubs/registries, we could all be under one banner. The synergy of one combined organization could be much stronger than the individual parts. A key challenge I see is the current fragmentation:

http://www.911t.org/
http://www.911eregistry.org/ (defunct?)
http://www.911e.org/
http://early911sregistry.org/
http://home.comcast.net/~68911/home
http://www.sportomatic.org/
http://www.early911s.com/

There are, of course, others. Would it ever be possible to combine these distinct clubs under one banner like this?:

http://www.356registry.org/

My vote is for Name Change Nr. 10. It's to the point, although possibly a bit cumbersome .....

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5. Fraternal Order of Sport Seat, Tool Kit and Grill Light Police.

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I vote for that one. Can someone PM me the secret handshake please? We can come up with all kinds of ambiguous symbology icons. I just read the DaVinci Code so I consider myself an expert. By the way, that book was almost an entire ripoff of another 80s book by an Italian author named Alberto Eco. I'd call it "Eco light".

I agree with an URL change for better visibility on the web. I agree with identifying non members on the BB. This is especially important to those browsing the classifieds to help identify which sellers/buyers are enthusiasts or opportunists.

As to the club name change? I'm conflicted. I browsed, posted, lurked before I bought my car and would have continued to do so no matter what model I ended up with so the S thing doesn't bother me much. I would have joined either way. I like the focus of this board. It matches what I am most interested in.

No matter what name change does or does not happen it will never remove the feeling of exclusion to people new to the boards/club. I'll travel the limb and say it's human nature of the majority of the existing members whether a result of money, power or time. "Is the newbie worthy of a response?" Throw in the "We are them, You are us" RGruppe thing into the mix and it just makes matters worse cause that's not a true statement when you describe the current SReg. club. That doesn't bother me personally either but, I'm positive it does send mixed messages to new members. This is not a jab at anyone cause I've been invited to just show up at Easy on a Sat. even though I'd have to trailer my car there and I don't feel left out of anything at all. When I'm ready (if ever), I'll show. That goes for SReg. functions as well. I do sometimes wonder how long it would have taken to get a RGruppe number if I had simply had the cash to drop on a RS.

So my longwinded point is if the club is to continue to grow and prosper into a true Brotherhood of the Longhoods (I own the rights to that one by the way) which I think we all want, I think the trappings of exclusivity, intentional or not, need to be dropped. Walk the Talk.

Official disclosure: I'm a Pagan Libra so I'm the worst kind of Devil's Advocate. Just ask my wife. Also since I'm still a self-proclaimed newbie I realize this post might be summarily ignored (ref: one of my earlier points).

Crap! I just thought about this...What about 912s? :rolleyes:

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Crap! I just thought about this...What about 912s? :rolleyes:

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Even 912E's? Oops. That's from '76. Never mind...

Lol :D That's what I'm talkin Bout.

I am very much a noob here, and so far have been made more than welcome by you guys. Once I found out about the added benefit of membership I sent in my membership form with check too. This forum has already proven invaluable for me for the info I've gathered here. Whatever you name the group moving forward, I'm in.

As with any organization - you get out of it what you put into it!!

If you are not getting anything out of the "S Registry"( Leave the name alone), then go away and don't pay.

If you are benefiting, great!! You should join so we all may continue to utilize this excellent resource. The answer is in your hands!!:D

I'm in for $100...next?

Me too. Where to mail the check?

I have no problem with a $100 donation, but I'm unclear what that money would go toward. Do we (the club) have an immediate need to pay off bills? Is the money needed to continue publication of Esses? Does Chuck need a weekend in Tiajuana????

Whoa...
Knowing there was no solicitation… and this was completely spontaneous...

I'm somewhat overwhelmed by this response… :o

If you want to make an immediate contribution to the club you can write the check payable to the Early 911S Registry and send the checks directly to me …

I will compile them and deliver them myself to the next meeting…with sincere acknowledgment and great appreciation ...

Cheers, and thanks

Chuck Miller
19403 Elkwood St.
Reseda, CA 91335

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I have no problem with a $100 donation, but I'm unclear what that money would go toward. Do we (the club) have an immediate need to pay off bills? Is the money needed to continue publication of Esses? Does Chuck need a weekend in Tiajuana????

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I'm with Curt on this one, word for word. First, what's broken, and secondly, what's the fix? I don't even know what the structure of the Registry is; I assume that when there's a meeting, Chucks in charge and then whomever shows up has a vote(?). What is it that we need/want to accomplish, and how best do we reach the stated goal? If someone were to put together some sort of brain storming session with sufficient advance notice, I predict that volunteers from near and far would step to the plate. The Long Hood Registry :o , (and this thread, by the way) is good stuff; how can we make it better? I don't have a problem with Sithot's suggestion, but after we empty the extinguisher, what's the plan for fire prevention?

Jim

That's a fair question Jim…

An immediate contribution would give us a slightly more comfortable cushion in the club's treasury … specifically more then the barely $1000 balance we keep.

After all the work at the Ventura event… paying off the hotel, paying for the few unsold dinners, squaring up with the merchandise float… the club netted a few hundred dollars. The participants received the value. In dollars not so much the club. But most good value events run like that... if you're in the black at all you did pretty well… and we except that.

However, now it's time to publish the next issue of the ESSES… and that will in turn bring the balance back to that nervous $1000 once again… and that's the way it's been…

And no, I'm not in charge of the meetings or the Registry… there are four of us that are active and we all have a say and make decisions together…. We would love to have more on the board to help out with all of it…..

One way of 'fire prevention' would be more input and active help running the club

Cheers and thanks,

Your answer is good enough for me Chuck...check's in the mail. Quite a sacrifice for me, a guy who someone seemingly believed can't afford to drive his car, nor pay insurance for it... ;) I do wish some others who post here would pony up tho...C'mon guys, this site alone is a valuable asset...I'd hate to see it go away. But, $300 is better than nothing added to the account. $700 more or so would give a better cushion? Steven & Tom? A tip of my hat to you. So far, we're the 3 Musketeers...wish we were at least a platoon. (edit)...so does this give we who donate $100 a greater right to weigh in than others? If so, I vote for keeping the club name as it is...otherwise the car badge I run would be meaningless. But hey, some of my best friends drive 911T's... :)

I am all for changing the name of the club to encompass all longhoods. Gary Emory and I had just such a thought of starting another club back in the late 90's as we felt there were many owners/cars being "unserved". Too little time to make it a reality ultimately shelved the project.

One of the reasons we need this to happen is not just for the club...it's for the general membership at large, and all longhood owners. If you take a look, the 356 Registry membership is 7500 members strong, and is very visible in the Porsche community. Having that many members allows economics of scale in terms of reproduction parts as the vendors know that there is a large audience for their products. Currently there are very few "vendors" that are oriented to the early 911. Many of the parts for our cars have become more rare than those for the 356 simply due to the fact that we have few options other than OEM parts, and used. Those in the 356 Registry who are familiar with Brad Ripleys operation "NLA" know exactly what I mean. Yes, we do have a few more parts still available from Porsche, but those are disappearing rapidly. I've talked with more than a few fellow members about reproducing a few key parts for sport seats and horn grill lights. Who wouldn't want a new dash that didn't cost $1200?? (and fit correctly...).

Another reason for getting more people into the fold is simply the "brain trust" base of having that many more knowledgable people in the club.

If we can get the membership level up it becomes a self fulfilling profacy (sp?). More members, more dollars to support the club magazine, more opportunities for vendors, more ad $$ that can be spent in the club magazine, we then get a color magazine, more people sign on...etc. etc.

Hey, I'm on a business trip with no Esses in front of me...we do accept advertising $$ right??

just my .02



Eric

Count me in for the $100. The club can use the extra $$. Do we send the $$ to Mike? It's not like the board members are going to take a vacation to Hawaii. They word hard for no $$. This board is valuable!!!! To everyone!!

Now we are four! Do I hear more? Geographically, it's tough for me to make any meaningful (giving hours) contribution to this group. But I sure as hell trust those who do. I've met Chuck. Those who do vounteer with hours spent aren't in it for the $$$$. Wish I could say the same for PCA... ;) (edit) IMHO, as clubs expand in numbers, (sorry 356 registry) and memberships increase, the $ begin to attract people who are in it for the $. PCA has gone there, the 356 registry is teetering on the brink, according to a decades long friend who belongs. Eric, are you sure we want to go there? What scares me is that this group could lose it's volunteers, allowing the pros to take over. When/if that happens, I'm outahere!! Paul

Rick,

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If you want to make an immediate contribution to the club you can write the check payable to the Early 911S Registry and send the checks directly to me …

I will compile them and deliver them myself to the next meeting…with sincere acknowledgment and great appreciation ...

Chuck Miller
19403 Elkwood St.
Reseda, CA 91335

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Paul, Eric, and all ...

Thanks for all the thoughtful and insightful comments ...and support

Hell, I'm in for $100! And I'm not active of a poster. But I do get a lot from this group......

Now we are 5...Hey guys, this is almost enough to form a "secret society".. ;)

Someone touched on the idea of advertising $$$. There are a couple of pp of business card ads and other ads in the last Esses, but no mention of advertising rates that I can see in the mag...please publish the rates in every edition and invite people to advertise in their club mag. It's a start and a way to maintain some continuing $$$ toward the mag production. We're all lazy(me too ;) )...I can't be bothered emailing to find out the ad. rates - if they were in print in every edition we'd be one step closer to more revenue I think.

I'm not sure how many of us visit the Early 911S Registry website, but it's another forum for advertising $$$. You can control the number and type of ads to a certain extent by setting some rules and publishing those along with the rates - hell we'd advertise on the site and in the mag and we're a long way away...but it's a way to support the Registry in a continuing sense. I'm sure you'd find that most advertisers would pay from year to year (takes a bit of credit control sure) once they took the plunge...

The donations are fantastic guys and if the registry will take a credit card payment Mike and I are in (costs more to get a bloody check drawn in USD than what it would be worth)...but I'd much prefer to be pledging to continuing advertising either in Esses or the website or this very board for that matter so you keep getting our money for a good cause!

Cheers,
Lisa

Thanks Lisa,

The ad rates will be in the next issue of the ESSES...

Putting ads on the web site and especially on the message board is a whole other kettle of fish... more book keeping and not by me... perhaps we can talk about someone stepping up for that one...

I wanted to collect these donations personally to present to the board at the next meeting... However Spyder can contribute directly through Mike Hammond buy CC ... Please tell'm that it's a direct contribution to the club so he'll know...

Cheers love, and thanks for the great idea about the rates ... duh!!!!! :o


BTW- The rates are as follows:

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Business card - $125.00
1/4 Page - $180
1/2 Page - $340
Full Page - $500

All ads run for one calendar year from first appearance – for four consecutive issues before renewal.

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Chuck,

I realised I had put you up for even more work than you already do with my ideas (sent you an email on that one)...it would be great if someone could step up to the task of handling the advertising (not you!)...in these days of technology they wouldn't even have to be "local" (not me - I've got enough on my plate downunder!)...

Still think the idea has some merit though - but that's just me ;) .

Cheers,
Lisa

If you change the name of the club to something else,then that Early 911S Registry badge you already have will be an instant collectors item(RARE).Those who already bought one will be lucky(like you Paul).Now there will be a run on those grill badges,good more revenue,but something to think about. :) :D :cool:

I'm happy to put in. Right now, though, I feel like I'm just blindly throwing money. Would it be possible to get a Registry budget?

I think that's a reasonable request...just a simple income/expenditures statement, perhaps posted on a "members only" section. But the bottom line seems to be that without more income there may not be a group to post such a statement. So, if $100 sounds steep to anybody, just send the $35 dues...you'll get the newsletter, and you won't feel like you've been freeloading on this site. Pelican is supported through sales of parts...no such feature here.

Anybody part of the 356 Registry? What's on their "member's only" section?

http://www.356registry.org/scripts/login.asp

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Anybody part of the 356 Registry? What's on their "member's only" section?

http://www.356registry.org/scripts/login.asp

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356 VIN database, Travel Assistance Network, TALKLIST archive, Production # chart, Back Registry articles, Back Issues (PDF), Goodie Store, Update Your Address, Place an ad. Good Stuff......

Jim

I spoke with Chuck the day he started this thread. I wanted to wait to see what other people were saying before I chimed in. For those who say they live in BFE, and can not go to events, these cars are meant to be driven, get out and go. I had to go 680 miles each way to go to the 10th Anniversary in Vegas, and it was great. I had to take 5 days of vacation, but it was worth every minute. I joined in 1999 when I lived in Colorado, and Chuck reminded me the dues were $25 then. Now, even at $35, it seems to cheap for such a great site. Let's see, gas in 1999 was about $1.45 per gallon. Times 15 = $21.75. Mount and balance 4 wheels and tires in 1999, $7.50 times 4 = $30.00. Added up, $51.75. Today, the cost of gas $3.15 times 15 = $47.25. Mount and balance 4 wheels and tires, $15.00 times 4 = $60.00. Added up, $107.25. I would say that for the cost to put in 1 tank of gas, and to mount and balance a set of tires, that should be the cost of the club, rounded off, $100. I would also like to see a balance sheet to see what it actually costs to run the club. I also think that the club should have a full time admin person who does all of the mailings, takes care of getting the magazine published, send out renewal notices, etc., etc., and allow the board to do what they should. That is to meet and come up with great events, ideas of getting more cars together for runs and events, and moving the club forward.
I also think the club should include any long hood 911, regardless of T, E, S, L, 911, or RS. There are T's going for more money than many of us paid for our S and all models are a blast to drive. And all of these people, like Rick brought up, can help all of us who own the long hood cars, by allowing us to have a larger group to draw ideas and parts from. The S cars only have alittle more power, that's it. All of the other models can have all of the options an S has. As far as the name goes, makes no difference to me. I have regular 911's, 911S, 911T, 911E, who cares!
My hat is off to Chuck, John, Lee, Michael, Frederick, Fred, and all the others who donate so much of their time to keep the club going. I would hate to have them get burnt out, and then we would all be out in the cold.
I will put in $500 more to the cause. The thought that our club only has $1,000 in the bank before it goes into the red is REAL SCARY :eek:

As this board is the in my opinion one of the greatest assets of the club, I vote that we make the Classifieds a members only section to encourage more members and less lurkers.

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As this board is the in my opinion one of the greatest assets of the club, I vote that we make the Classifieds a members only section to encourage more members and less lurkers.

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Even better!

Then sellers will have fewer buyers...

Maybe you mean to say that posting an ad be limited (?) That will reduce buyers b/c some are also interested in selling - I have no objection tho.

This is true, dont want to shoot ouurselves in the foot i guess.

Well, I have been reading this thread and after some soul searching I sent in my application.

Why did I delay? Several reasons: I do not own an "S" or "special" 911 (just a lowly, mostly stock "T"); In many ways I feel like an "outsider" who has been invited to the party but not particularly welcome to partake in the entire banquet; It appears that the face-to-face activities are quite a distance from me; and (like it or not) The BBS is free for all.

Why did I change my mind: It's good Karma to give more than you get; the cost is not outrageous; and (in spite of my objections above) you seem like an ok group.

How can we improve? Make our public face more inclusive for early (i.e. long hood) 911's. Seek to have activities in more places where the local members desire such things.

As far as a financial statement goes… also a fair question

As some of our older members know, up to 2 1/2 years ago, Fred Stewart, our own Legal / Financial Advisor and ex-LA County Assistant District Attorney, used to publish a Registry financial statement yearly in the EASES. Because of medical and family issues Fred is no longer an active member of our board… However, Fred used to glean the information for the statement from the same simple resources that we compile for the board every month… namely the running tally that Mike Hammond keeps for the club merchandise … and the running balance that gets deposited in the Registry's bank account mostly for memberships…. Then, of course, the quarterly expenditures on the news letter… and restocking merchandise.

I guess what I'm saying is the numbers are there, in fact there on our agenda every meeting… They come in from Mike, Fred T. and John D. religiously every month … That's how we know how we're doing…

But not in a publishable format… I'm not comfortable posting what we have on the site or message board … and by the time they come out in the quarterly ESSES the info is a little stale… as Fred's were

As far as a formal published statement that's pretty timely? That might take awhile before that happens …

I will bring it up at the next meeting… again another thing for one of only 4 to take care of…. :o

Cheers,

"How can we improve? Make our public face more inclusive for early (i.e. long hood) 911's."

Harry, that's already beginning to happen. Things have been changing VERY rapidly in the early 911 world over the past year or 2. With $25,000 and $30,000 sale prices on T's and E's, they have begun to earn the respect they deserve. Soon, the early 911 world will be similar to the 356 world - one in which all early 911's are considered very special cars.

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An annual budget would do the trick. As a Registry member (and former PTSA treasurer!), I'd be glad to help!

Is the club a non-profit under Calif. law?

Is it a federal 501(c)(3) or otherwise tax-exempt? With some of the 501's people can get a tax credit for donations...

Randy, you mean like the tax credit I got for my donation to the Kelley Wirth for State Rep. campaign? Seriously, I never thought that club memberships qualified for any kind of a tax break, whether or not non profit...but I'm not a CPA. (To be fair to all the board...inside joke about Kelley Wirth...she's a State Rep. up here who just got busted for meth possession.)

Maybe - it depends on which 501(c)(??) it is. A c3 (public benefit org.) means that contributions are tax deductible. ...and it is surprising what qualifies. I'm not a CPA either, nor a tax lawyer, but as a lawyer, I have set up a 501c3 for a group of scientists.

I guess the moral of the meth bust is to keep the police away from your car if you are a meth using state representative and somebody just tried to kill you. (True facts for this very odd case). Maybe she will be in the same prison as the attempted killer...

Call me old fashioned...when I believe the money I send is going to a "cause" or a group I believe in? Any tax break is secondary, not primary, in my decision to write the check. Chuck? The check IS in the mail...IF there is a tax dodge, lemme know, okay? If not? "What's behind me doesn't matter" :D

Chuck,
Mine is in the mail.

A good point - but it wasn't the lack of contributions from Paul and other 'hardcore' types that started this thread.

I suspect that a few more people that pay nothing would ante up something if they could take it off their taxes. Everybody loves to stiff Unca Spam...

There are a lot of quick easy ways to make money from the site, from Esses, and perhaps from events. I work in Publishing (Print Magazine and Online) and I'm certainly up for throwing some ideas in but here isn't the place to get deep on it. I'm local and barring a scheduling conflict I'd be happy to come to a meeting.

A few quick thoughts:

-If you are indeed looking to advertise and expand membership, perhaps an ad trade for a subscription drive with Excellence or other relevant titles.

-For easy money from the site join the "Ads by Google" program.

-On the accounts front, use Quickbooks, its cheap and easy to use, easy to publish reports, and you'll have a clear picture of where you are at.

I'd also be happy to offer services for design and layout on Esses if it would help.

Let me know if I can assist.

Thanks for the offer 8 ... will get in touch

Randy and all...

The Registry is indeed a non profit... set up by Fred Stewart 10 years ago when we first acquired the club from Vern and Betsi

Cheers,

This board is not unlike PBS. Maybe campaign drives should be part of the territory. There will always be a percentage of freeloaders but such is life. They know who they are. Hopefully they'll realize how valuable the board is and get off their butts and step up to the plate.

Maybe you should offer a level of membership like PBS where a $100 membership gets you an Early S grill badge. $50 gets you a mug etc.

A paypal account might not be a bad idea for accepting membership fees. I'm paying more bills online these days just because I don't want to take the time to do it by writing and mailing checks.

I really like getting Esses in the mail. I enjoy it more so than Excellence but maybe the time has come to just publish it online. It might be easier for your global contributors to write stories and post pictures online. Paper print may be going the way of Swapmeets.

Anyway, I think there is an opportunity here that PBS doesn't have and that is the possibility to have limited access areas for dues paying members only. Exclusivity is saleable. Something to think about.

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To make a hobby grow you need good parts sources. BMW (Mobile Tradition) has done this with their early motorcycles and cars and let me tell you that the motorcycle end of it has taken off like an F-18 on afterburner. The North American source, whom I know very well, has even branched into Canada.

And as someone alluded to regading 356 parts, we BMW owners can now by Kolbenschmidt pistons in any size necessary all done from orginal drawings and made from the correct alloys that the factory called for in the first place. Once upon a time all we could get were some Italian (junk) pistons that would either sieze (due to a different coefficient of expansion) or slap because you had to overbore to make them work at operating temperature. These were dark days, indeed. I can now build a motor with a piston that is as tight as a drum which will not smoke, slap or fit incorrectly. You can even use the factory tolerances AGAIN! Eureka!!!


I cannot begin to tell you how much easier this has made it for restoration people like myself and the new owners just getting into the hobby. The fact that someone "has your back" creates a great level of comfort when you go to look at that "Barn Find" knowing in the back of your mind that the parts you need are available. A side benefit is that BMW bike prices have taken off.

People, this is a win-win situation for all of us. Grow the club and grow the businesses that we need to keep our cars going.

Tom

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IMHO, this is one of the more attractive reasons to organize and grow this club. I really think that modelling ourselves after the 356 guys is the right direction too. I would gladly voluteer to compile databases, resources, etc. for the vehicles. I would need guidance on where to start, and what all we want, but would be happy to do it. We could also begin "certifying" the vehicles like the Shelby and other clubs do to authenticate and track the vehicles. This can only help increase the value of these cars. What I perceive as the complete lack of organization around these cars, I would imagine, contributes to their low values. The broad umbrella that PCA affords doesn't really translate to the early cars.

"I would really like to see this take off. SCM would be a good place to start as would Autoweek, PANO and local club magazines."

I'm going to reiterate my earlier observation: are there much more than the current 500 people interested in participating in this club? There probably are, but where the heck are they now? I mean a simple Google search for "early911" brings this website right up as Numero Uno. Are there 1000's of early car owners out there who have never had enough curiousity to do a simple internet search for 'early 911' and then click on this website???? I suppose there may still be people living in the dark ages who don't have internet access and only read print mags such as AutoWeek, Excellence, SCM, etc., so adverts might get the word out to them. But how many of those people are there? I suspect, few.

On the other hand, the number of members of the 356 Registry (what was it, 7000??!!) shocks me. So if they've got that many, there's no reason why we couldn't have a similar number. But where are these thousands of early car owners now?

Tom (sithot)
wow - what a great perspective to apply to owning an early 911! That could be the mission statement.

I sthere a Grill badge, if theres is i shoure would like one, even though i dont have an S, may be grill badges for T,s ;)

Keep in mind.......the 356 registry had a hell of a head start on us.

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Let me know what my password is. :D Really, I have sent a certain dead president in the mail. This information base is far more valuable than that.

Tom B. I found my cell under my passenger seat...nice curves on the road to Prescott AZ. Few cells in the driver. Shawn.

Even before BMW had Mobile Tradition, Porsche had Porsche Vintage.What ever happen to Porsche Vintage? Believe it or not I think there are more people than you think that don't have access or even think to go on line,but still pick-up a magazine.Even on this board, members ask computer questions(like how to post pictures etc.). A lot of the members are "old school" and some have just started using computers,and the 356 registry DOES advertise in magazines. :)

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I sthere a Grill badge, if theres is i shoure would like one, even though i dont have an S, may be grill badges for T,s ;)

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You betcha. I've got one on my grill, but my computer crashed last week, and I am using my laptop, and don't have a picture to show you of it on my car.

But here's the link to buy one.

Early S Boutique

It looks great, and is a really high quality badge. Someone did a GREAT JOB designing the logo. I love it. (Thanks Chuck)

larry

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Curt,

Yes, 7000 is a good number however, they've been in existence for 30 years; there were some faily small numbers in the early going. It's impossible to know the impact that the 356 Registry has had on the 356 community world-wide, but one has to think that it is substantial. The Registry Magazine is chuck full of small companies who's existence would not have been possible without the 356 Registry, and the clout generated by its (now) 7000 members. By the same token, the products & services provided by those small companies provides higher quality alternatives to the owner/restorer....... Everybody wins.

I think that the S Registry is well positioned to evolve into such an organization.

Jim

My little "early911Sregistry" window sticker provides the best service anytime I need service for my car. They all know that we discuss everything right here. :eek:

We may be a cash poor car club...but, there is serious muscle happing here. I am glad to be a part of it. Of course, I am new to America. Nice down here...hot...but, nice.

Hey, what one part can you remove from your early car that will make your car both faster and quieter? (SP)

The passenger seat! Shawn. :D Don't tell Barabara I said that. :eek:

So Chuck, is the money rolling in? I'm thinking my check should have made it there by now...