Carpets for 1965 911's

Some help required from the collective early 911 brainstrust please?

I'm helping a friend with the restoration of his 65 911 interior. The car has an extensive Australian history, and there is only the interior to finish.

He wants the car to faithful to its history, it has not been over-restored.

However, just when he is set to commit to a type of carpet (interior and in the trunk) he reads something which conflicts with the conventional wisdom.

We have used Johnson's book quite a lot, but the low resolution, black and white pictures of carpets aren't much help to us in this digital age!

Can anyone with an original 65 send pics of their carpet please? If you have information on where to source carpet kits - that would also be appreciated.

Regards,

Justin

Justin here is a shot of the carpet and interior out of a early 912 I know it is not 911 but....I can get you some trunk carpet shots tomorrow.

I have a 65 911 number 1145 with 37,000 original miles. The interior and trunk carpet is the German square weave like the 356's had. My carpet is original salt and pepper look, black with a few white fibers. The drivers side mat was falling apart so I had Autos International in San Diego make 2 new front mats for the car. They actually weathered the mats so they matched the original carpet. I think there web site is autosintl.com, ask for Augaustine.

My understanding is square weave carpet as well.

I know that Tony from Autobahn Interiors recently did a complete interior for a 1964 production 911 that's being completely restored.

You can reach Tony at www.autobahninteriors.com

regards,
Eric

Square weave is the ticket. Looks really great on an early car. I got a set of the german stuff from World Upholstry and is was quite good.

Justin; would you mind posting a few pics and give us the VIN for the arcive of 65-models?

John

Justin,

I have 65 no. 301111. It has the german square weave in the trunk just like the 356 cars and plush in the interior. Talk to Tony, he did the 64 and it came out good.

John

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Originally Posted by John Straub

Justin,

I have 65 no. 301111. It has the german square weave in the trunk just like the 356 cars and plush in the interior. Talk to Tony, he did the 64 and it came out good.

John

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Need to make another post regarding Tony.... when he opened his business up, he went out to some of the best restorers in the business to get original interiors etc. to re-do all of his patterns..... he's now got the best "original" patterns of any interior specialist. Others have "corrected" patterns that make installation easier (that means less man hours to install... and time is money!). There's a reason why people like Nate Cantwell and Skip Shirley use Tony...

Just my .02

Eric

Here are some photos of the interior of 300771 that I recently sold (but have not been paid for): http://picasaweb.google.com/unfinishedprojects56

I believe the interior to be entirely original with the exception of the front seats. Notice the leather shift boot and binding around the heat lever. The car even has original door seals. The front trunk carpet is squareweave, but the cabin is not.

Trunk carpet....

My new car is a June 66 / 911 which has been parked since 86. When I checked the carpet earlier today, I noticed that the trunk is square weave as shown, however the compartment is not. It's more black hairy.

My June 65 had the same combo. Others have this as well?

Richard

I have a dealer parts department sample book from the late 60s, which shows the different carpet materials for 356 B and C and for 911 0 series, 911A and 911 B series. Your friend's car would be a 911 0 series, I believe.

The options that I find are: red velour (color no. 000) and a grey/charcoal velour (color no. 700). The square weaves are only indicated for the 356s, as to which there is red (also numbered as 000), blue/gray (200), gray (300), beige (400), beige/white (500) and charcoal (700). I am missing one sample for 356C, designated as color 600 and probably a tan or light brown, based on its place in the sequence of samples.

There are some additional colors for 911A and 911B series, but nowhere does it show square weave for any 911 "0 series" car.

I can try to post some close ups of the two samples shown in my book for the 0 series, if you think that it might help.

My 1966 911 (long gone) had square weave in the trunk. This I recall distinctly, but I can't remember what kind of carpet it had in the passenger compartment, only that it had rubber mats in the footwells.

Mine is salt and pepper square weave, cabin and trunk.

I believe that Salt and pepper square weave for the interior and trunk is correct for a 65

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Originally Posted by ret9191

I believe that Salt and pepper square weave for the interior and trunk is correct for a 65

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Could we get some closeup photos of your carpet? There can't be too many low mile, non-barn type, 65's around. Good interior photos of a car like your's would be a great resource.

Zithlord,

Chassis is 300882. It is presently in the Southern Highlands of NSW (about 100 miles south of Sydney, Australia).

History from 1966/7 is known, we are trying to clarify a few points before then.

Picture to follow soon. It is one of at least 4 other 65 901 /911's in Australia

After taking some pictures and looking at the carpet again i think that I was wrong on the carpet in chassis #301145 The original carpet in the trunk is the square weave stiff carpet. I thought the interior carpet on the inside was worn down square weave but it seems like a more plush fuzzy carpet. I have picture and if you e-mail me direct I will send you photo's. Thanks Ron rthomas@heattfs.com

After taking some pictures and looking at the carpet again i think that I was wrong on the carpet in chassis #301145 The original carpet in the trunk is the square weave stiff carpet. I thought the interior carpet on the inside was worn down square weave but it seems like a more plush fuzzy carpet. I have picture and if you e-mail me direct I will send you photo's. Thanks Ron rthomas@heattfs.com

GAHN.com lists a number of different products for German Carpet

Haargarn (German, 40" wide)
Multiloop, solid and two tone ((German, 65" wide)
PC Velour (Porsche, 60" wide)
Perlon (Porsche Trunk, 48" wide)
Sliverknit (Porsche, 60" Wide)
Square Weave (German, 52"-54" Wide)
Velour (German, 60" Wide)
Velour (German, Backless, 60" Wide)
Wilton I Wool (English, 40" Wide)
Wilton I Wool (English, 50" Wide)

Each is different by width and price/part number. So it seems they are each a unique product.

GAHN has a search feature for each model and year Porsche. (The 1985 911 coupe only lists the Sliverknit. (It seems the name is S-L-iver not SILver knit -like the hunk of wood that gets stuck in your hand as opposed to the color of metal coins).

The 1967 911 lists two options for interior carpet - Squareweave or Haargarn. When researching the carpets for the 1964 911 the trunk was Squareweave and the interior was Haargarn. After cutting up samples of the material and sending to sources, (see photo below) Autos International had the right stuff and could meet the deadline - so we went with them. We did have a few rounds of the pattern sent for verification - paper trace of original to them - first pass from them - sample cut and fit returned to them - final trunk carpet is a perfect match to original.

It seems you can choose samples from Auto's International, GAHN, and Tony - Autobahn Interiors in San Diego. Prices seem to be about the same accross the board for the same product. Less weight and quality/density (or limited color choice) of the material is the only way to beat the price.

The weight difference for an interior set of the Haargarn (looks live the velour) was close to 30lbs and the heavy carrera felt/Perlon was less than 12lbs.

I am sure Tony at Autobahn Interiors is fresh with the match for Eade's car, (squareweave trunk and Haargarn(velour) interior).

Sorry for the flash on the photo - the black plush Haargarm white highlight is not as obvious in real person as this hot flash makes it look.

Justin, the photos Tom has directed us to also show the rubber heel pad in all of it's original glory. It is black rubber with a hint (or whisp) of an irregular white trace. It is not available but the close match from Auto's international will pick up a use pattern (yup a little dirt is a good thing) and after it is "well used" will look very close.

No problem Bob. I'd have posted them myself but the resizing process is just such a pain. If you don't mind, post the closeup of the leather shift boot as well.

I wish we could increase the early S membership fee just slightly to pay for some sort of automatic resizing feature. I guarantee this site would have many more photos posted.

These are some good photos Tom.

Was full carpet an option after 65 and when did they switch to the rubber floor mats?

Hi Tony, someone is going to have to scour the original PR materials and option lists to find that answer.

A few years ago some guys who looked at my car remarked about the front carpet as being non original - rubber mats were standard. But it had been worn out carpet with the rubber heel pads on both the drivers mat and the tunnel carpeting and it matched the rest of the carpeting for age, color and edge trim. The heel pads were the same as Tom shows in his photos, (in the above post) and in the Drivers manual photos.

In an old 1965 review (I wish I knew which - if anyone finds them please post here) there was a comment that the original 911 had came with the carpet with the wide rubber heel pads "ON THE CARPET" and newer models came without the rubber (heel pads). That same review was in another publication but had been edited down to read essentially "original rubber pads - now carpet". That was pick-up by other magazines and, from then on the Rubber mats standard /Carpet optional was gospel and any early 911 with carpet floor mats was suspect.

I think (and I could be wrong again) that 911's always came standard with carpet.

It was only the 912 model that came with rubber mats - carpet optional.

I was wrong about the carpet, after taking photo's for Tom F I realize the trunk is square weave and the interior is plush, it looks like worn down square weave, maybe Tom can post my pics?