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Hello All...
I'm sure this has been covered somewhere, but I could not find it.
My understanding is that there is a difference between blood orange and tangerine, but I'm not sure what the difference is, or when it occurred in production. Dave P indicates that I have a tangerine w/ paint code 002L.
My follow up question is what paint source do I use to replicate the color for a respray?
thanks all...
td
Its the same color, with the same code. Its the English color name Tangerine(a citrus fruit) and the direct translation of the German color name Blut Orange(a citrus fruit, looks like a red orange).
blutorange
1968/1969, code 1 6809, and code 2 P2002
1970/1972/1973, 018
1971, 2323
Code varied by some model years.
John
No, I don't think there is any difference between the color names, blood orange comes from blutorange, the German name, but in English we call it tangerine.
blutorange is color # 018 and code P2002 in 1967 with Lesonal brand paint, 6809 in 1968 & 1969, but possibly P2002 if Lesonal brand paint was used, then code 23xx (2323 or 2310) used for 1970 & 1971. Finally, from 1972 through 1983 code 018-x-y was used.
Now I am a bit confused since the Lesonal list shows P2002, but all others of that type were Rxxxx codes. I need a good photo of the badge to document what they actually stamped onto the badge. This is the only one I have, and it does not show P or R:
Hello DaveP
the image you show is exactly what I've got on my car....only mine is a bit smudged and hard to read.
I will try and get a clearer image of it for you...
cheers
tom
OK, just to throw something else out there.....:)
Our friend, Registry legal advisor, and PCA concourse judge Fred Stewart tells me that the original color, and matching the COA, on his '67S was 'special order' 1957 356 #5711 Orange.....
http://www.stoddard.com/57-59paintsamples.htm
Fred also says that #5711 Orange was referred to as Blut Orange as well until 1969 when Tangerine and Blut Orange were referred to as one of the same......
BTW - Fred's '67S is now finished in beautiful Signal Orange......
Paint police........:rolleyes::)
We will never know BUT the 356 color looks a LOT darker than the "modern" blood orange or tanergine...IMHO...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Miller
-Allen-
Allen,
You're absolutely right ... it is a completely different color...
Fred's point was #5711 was referred to as Blut Orange before the #018 Tangerine/Blut Orange reference.....
Again, this is from evidence he's found... not me
Cheers
...as a previous owner of a '69 T in tangerine / blutorange , this looks pretty good to my ancient eyes ...:D
halfway between orange and red...
Cheers,
Dennis. :)
How does it compare to Continental Orange? Anyone have a side-by-side shot of a Continental Orange and Blut Orange 911? :)
I believe blutorange is "blood orange" in English, although I suppose there could be a fruit by that name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zithlord
Jack
It was supposed to say:Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldog
Its the same color, with the same code. Its the English color name Tangerine(a citrus fruit) and the direct translation of the German color name Blut Orange is BLOOD ORANGE(a citrus fruit, looks like a red orange)
BTW in Norway the Orange is translated to Appelsin. This comes from Apple Chin or the Chinese Apple!
I guess I am off topic now, sorry!
John
After I posted it occured to me that the German word for tangerine (the fruit, not the color) might be blutorange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zithlord
jack
It most likely is, Jack.
Blood Orange: the citrus fruit that is not orange on the inside.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_orange
This is a mutation of a sweet orange that has more anthocyanins (like in blueberries and raspberries) in the flesh. These are powerful anti-oxidants and make the fruit very healthy. It also tastes good.:)
I`m painting mine an organic rot-orange, it will get better as it ages, I hope...USA
I agree, lighting makes a huge difference to this color.
Does driving a Tangerine colored car count as one FDA serving of fruit?
Hey everyone....great comments all!
however, the question still remains, what source do I use to find this paint in the 2009's? is that a hard thing or an easy thing> I just don't know.
anyone done a recent respray of this great color? (that is colOUr for you across the pond chappies!)
thanks!
tom
I recently had my bumper painted, I told the painter the paintcode, he looked in his "books" and it turned out exactly like the rest of the car!
We Canucks also use colour, but in deference to most of the chappies in the US of A, I use color and ignore my spell-checker.Quote:
Originally Posted by tadink
Is there a way to get a PPG cross reference?
Raj; I bought it 3 years ago from the US. Two previous owners. The first, a lovely lady that is now retired and lives in Florida. Her name is Neva Burton, and she had it for 25 years and drove it about 170,000 miles. The second owner was Chip Habercam, he is in to muscle cars I believe. The car was a bit tired, but I bought restores leather seats(original) and restored the door pockets and bought a perfect original dash. Chassis wise I have welded two rust holes in the back seats bottoms(leak through the rear window seal) and due to battery leak has changed the front pan and support. There was no other rust found. I changed the S bumper to a correct 71T bumper and refurbished the gas tank. I also changed the instruments to Euro standard a long with the turn signal lenses. The under carriage has all new bushings. Engine was rebuild prior to me buying it, but I refurbished the flywheel and changed clutch. I also had it set to euro ride height and corner balanced. Probably a few more things! Its a nice numbers matching car, with a nice owners history!
BTW I communicate with Neva on a regular basis to let her know if her car is doing fine!
Best
John
Also curious about any recent resprays of this color and opinions on ppg vs glasurit . Also I am only considering single stage though many painters prefer clearcoats, the thought of the clearcoat bubbling off in another 40 years when I am 85 makes me retch bile.I can live with single stage fading to a generous "patina" thats how it is now.Steve
Steve,
I had a recent job done with two stage PPG envirobase. You can see the result in my blog: http://mk911.blogspot.com
It looks oranger than I was expecting, and not as red-orange as many of the pictures I've seen (in this thread and others), but I think most of that is just variation with the lighting. There's a 'show your oranges' thread active on the Pelican tech forum right now, if you haven't checked in there lately.
I don't have any direct experience with single-stage jobs or glasurit, so can't comment there.
The attached pictures shows the paint, with codes and such on the can. Let me know if you can't read anything important.
Mike
THAT is a very accurate photo of the Tangerine color.
Brining back an old thread. So, tangerine and blood orange are the same? Some folks mention the blood orange has a little more red in it. I hope there the same because I'm ordering paint soon!
Its all the same hue.
Code however depends to the Modelyear.
We forget that officially it was not only called "Blutorange", "Blood orange" or "Tangerine"..but also "Orange sanguine" as well as "Arancio sangue".
Source: Colour Chart for RoW, 1970, printed 8/70, code W28
Something I posted on DDK a while back....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darren65
I'm pretty sure a blood orange and a tangerine are different fruits: a tangerine's an easy-to-peel variety of mandarin orange which grows in my back yard while a blood orange is an orange with a distintly red flesh. However, Porsche used "tangerine" for a color they celled "blood orange" in other languages. There's a 1969 color chart on Charlie Whites 911/912 website:Quote:
Originally Posted by beetle08
Color code 6809 is both "Blutorange" and "Tangerine."
Yes Jim, as fruits a Blut-Orange and a Tangerine fruit are not the same.
The Tangerine is also usually smaller and has a thicker skin…and easier to peel, as like in general all Mandarines vs Oranges...
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For the records, here are period colour folders.
Note that this on paper printed colours are not 100% similar to a car's paint.
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1967
Special order colour/Sonderfarbe
1968 US market
1968 RoW market (content similar, cover different)
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...968USRoW-1.jpg
1969 US market
1969 Row Market (content similar, cover different)
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...969USRoW-1.jpg
1970 US market
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...rior1970US.jpg
1970 RoW market
1971 RoW market (content similar, cover different)
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...ior1970RoW.jpg
1971 US market
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...rior1971US.jpg
1972 US market
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...rior1972US.jpg
1972 RoW market
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...ior1972RoW.jpg
1973 US market
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...rior1973US.jpg
1973 RoW market
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...psjtjoapg7.jpg
BTW here is another car in Blutorange/Tangerine, code 2323, 1971 MY (yes, mine)
http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/...ps43d1342c.jpg
6809. Tangerine