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18,500 fully documented original miles. White w/Black interior, original paint, 5-speed, 5 Fuchs alloys, correct original Blaupunkt radio, books, tools, etc. Absolutely incredible cosmetic and mechanical condition. Fanatic collector owned. $67,500. Located in Southern California. Contact 310-344-1971
http://picasaweb.google.com/mikdonov...ORIGINALMILES#
Sounds nice. You might want to mention whether or not it's a CIS car as well.
Cheers,
-Mike
I like the "faux" California blue license plates...too bad the originals were lost...
Based on the car having black metal guards it is probably a late 1972 production (73 MY) with MFI. The car looks great but has no options(Air, SR, Wheel Well Trim etc) which is unusual for the late 72-73 cars
Car looks pretty nice. Guess the "Dorian Gray" toolkit took all the aging. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by spike
-Allen-
Yeah, interesting about the tool kit. We have a documented 27,000 mile 73.5T that is in literally perfect condition - original everything, but the tool kit suffered from similiar corrosion. The plating on the car is perfect for 27,000 miles, but the tool kit was not. Interesting if the factory changed the plating technique/material that would cause it to degrade over time.
Actually no. The early 1973's had black bumper guards. Later on the US models got the bigger rubber bumper guards. The toolkit is another give away that this car is a 73'.
The question was does it have MFI or CIS and based upon the fact that the car has the black metal guards making it an early 1973 I would guess the car was MFI.
The black metal bumper guards were on late 1972 production but 1973 MY US 911s. I had a very early 73 911S production number 9113310005-15 (dont remember exact number) that was a 9/72 production date with the black metal guards. My 10/72 911S has all rubber guards so I would guess that the black metal guards were only around for a very short time in 1972.. Also the 911T CIS injected cars were often referred to as 1973 1/2 and always had the big all rubber guards.
I had 73S #43, it had the black painted bumper guards. I guess it would be interesting to know what the serial number on the car is.
As far as the toolkit goes.. welll... I doubt that it's the original one based on the black bumper guards...which indicate a very early car. Early to mid 73's have the clasp kit rather than the string tie kit. Owned several 73's including #43S, and all had clasp kit's.
just my .02.
E
My 1972 S Targa had the black metal bumper guards. Its number is 836 of 989 built that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by execmalibu
My 12/72 date code '73E, #579, has the black early bumper guards:
http://www.911e.org/microsite.php?9113200579
Thought I read somewhere that during MY'73 for a period these were optional with the rubber ones, and at some point the rubber ones were manadatory.
For example, Tom McMahon's very original '73E, which is date code 9/72 #098, has the rubber version.
http://www.911e.org/microsite.php?9113200098
Bob
As I know from nearly 40 years of dealing with 356s anything and everything is "ORIGINAL" on vintage Porsches! I have been told many times that part is "not original Porsche never made those". Even when I have the part in my hand and a photo of the car when brand new with the part on it.
That being said it does seem odd that a 1972 #836 (with the oil filler in fender) would have black metal guards. Since normally the other trim (horn grilles, trim around TS lenses etc ) is chrome. But again anything is possible...
If memory serves, this guy has some VERY nice, low mileage, original cars including RS #815, (Blood Orange) and an UNBELIEVABLE 70 (or 71) Conda Green 'S' which has shown up at a few events over the years.....:D
I agree, it was strange. But, what can I say? It is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by execmalibu
I'm sure stranger things have happened on early/late model year cars.
Could they have been changed by the original owner at the dealer after delivery when he saw them on early '73's when they came out? Sure. As you said, anything's possible. The rear guards were the same black, too. It did have the blackout "Targa" emblems on the silver roll hoop cover. Also, the engine grill, "911S" and "PORSCHE" emblems on the rear deck were all black, too.
However, since the car came with factory AC, it had the front condenser/blower installed under the front license plate. As such, it also had the protection bars for it installed. That required special front bumper guards which had a large hole on the bottom for mounting the protection bars.
When I acquired the car (1985), one of the front bumpers was damaged in that area from scraping the protection bar on a driveway or something. I placed a "Wanted" ad in the PCA's Panorama and recieved a call from someone in Oregon that had a pair. So, I immediately bought them.
Anyway, that's how the car came when I bought it. I was the third owner. The original owner special ordered a new car every 2 years, from Bob Smith Porsche Audi in Hollywood, CA. This one had paint to sample as indicated by the "999" on the paint color plate and confirmed in writing from the factory. This was before they offered the COA service.
I bought the car from the second owner who bought it from the dealership in 1974, as original owner traded it in on a new 1974 model. The second owner kept it parked most of its life, as it only had 32k miles when I bought it in 1985.
Through the years (40 year PCA member) I have seen only 2 or 3 other late 1972's with the black guards. Not many, that's for sure:D
I thought that the black bumper guards (not the all rubber 73.5 USA only guards) were the Euro guards?
They appear to be somewhat transitional as "late '72" guards. I have them on my 2/72 build car.