65 911 302631 (rhd)

Hi all,
My boss is part way through restoring a 65 RHD car here in New Zealand. It is #302631. As far as we have heard it was delivered new to Afn in London and was owned by the mayor of London when new???
I am hoping some the historians on here may have some info on this car.

One of his current jobs is trying to sort out the dash, we have my Lhd one for reference but the RHD one is constructed completely differently. It is a moulded plastic frame but we can't tell if it should have a one piece or two piece covering.

I will try to get some photos up soon but it is in a bit of a state currently, it suffered the usual 70's bodywork and interior update but luckily the original engine and solexes etc seem to have survived.

Any help much appreciated,
Reuben

The brits know rhd, the link below is the uk forum...

http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/index.php

Also, Classic British and German, in Sydney australia, apparently make rhd dashes.... Fishcop got a 69 or 70 from them. Hope they can help,

Early RHD's are a one piece upper covering; pm me an email address and I'll be sure to send a pic & details. I can check my old RHD records too on that VIN.

Cheers

Stewart.

I have the chassis numbers of the cars that came through AFN and it's not on my list. I'm showing cars both before and after so it's not that it's missing. Doesn't look like it came through AFN, sorry. Maybe it came through Hamiltons, Stew's your man for that :D

Thanks!
I guess the rumours we heard about the car are untrue. Apparently the previous owner found lots of history on the car but refused to pass it on when my boss purchased it.
Apart from Hamiltons and Afn were there any other RHD dealers back then?
Lgk6d, thanks for looking at your list.
Stewart, I hope your list shows up something. I will pm you also for some pics.

Reuben.

South Africa, Hong Kong, Kenya, Zimbabwe (am assuming there was one distributor for Africa at that stage?

Hi Reuben,

A new one for my list!

Good news for the custodian I can confirm the car was a RHD UK delivery with the following;

Paint: "Agablau 6608" (Aga Blue)
Interior: "Kunstl. beige" (beige leatherette)

**a great colour combo, and the 2nd built of two early RHD's I have listed in this colour combination**

It was a UK delivery but I am not sure of the handling dealer, could it have been other than AFN? No ownership details available.

The Kardex lists the ever important term "Rechtslekung" signifying RHD; without this term specifically listed on the Kardex a car's not an original RHD, despite what some would have you believe about what are LHD conversion cars. The only other listed option was Lautsprecher (speaker).

Build date was October '65 but delivery was not until the end of January, 1966.

Welcome to the 65/66 RHD 901 "<20" club.

Congrats!

Early 901 RHD dash images as requested....the small holes are from an aftermarket accessory fan fitted to the dash top in period.

MMU 911 C (photo LONDON 08.1965) 1st RHD delivered ?
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/9808/mmu911c0001.jpg

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Thanks! That's great news! Do you have the kardex? If you could send a copy that would be amazing. Dave(the owner) is trying to get a COA at the moment but porsche nz is being very frustrating. They want us to supply the original details like engine number etc so that the document will be correct?? I thought we were requesting it so we could check that we had the correct parts.

The pictures are very helpful Stewart, and fap901 that is a great pic! The owner must have been the coolest guy in town in 1965.

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Hi Reuben,

A new one for my list!

Good news for the custodian I can confirm the car was a RHD UK delivery with the following;

Paint: "Agablau 6608" (Aga Blue)
Interior: "Kunstl. beige" (beige leatherette)

**a great colour combo, and the 2nd built of two early RHD's I have listed in this colour combination**

It was a UK delivery but I am not sure of the handling dealer, could it have been other than AFN? No ownership details available.

The Kardex lists the ever important term "Rechtslekung" signifying RHD; without this term specifically listed on the Kardex a car's not an original RHD, despite what some would have you believe about what are LHD conversion cars. The only other listed option was Lautsprecher (speaker).

Build date was October '65 but delivery was not until the end of January, 1966.

Welcome to the 65/66 RHD 901 "<20" club.

Congrats!

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Stu

Out of interest I changed the tyre on the the other Aga Blue one ;)

About 13 years ago I was on the hunt for my current car and out of sheer coincidence I stopped to assist a lovely little old lady driving that '65 Aga Blue 911 on Wardell Street, Southport Qld. She had a flat and was was struggling (pre common mobile phones). After changing the tyre for her and absolutely drooling over the original condition of the car, I gave her my card and asked her to call me if ever it became available for sale. She smiled and said it was her husband's and promised to another family member. I forget her name, but I do suspect the car is safe. The experience cemented my desire for an early car!

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MMU 911 C (photo LONDON 08.1965) 1st RHD delivered ?
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/9808/mmu911c0001.jpg

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Fantastic Pic, thanks for sharing. That's the AFN RHD demonstrator, Bali Blue with black, not 1st RHD delivered as used as a demonstrator & sold to a private client later in '66/7 sometime, without grabbing my records. I've all the details on this car filed away; but I have not seen that image before, brilliant.

I'm currently working up the histories of the first four RHD chassis; three of which came to Australia: stay tuned.......

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Stu

Out of interest I changed the tyre on the the other Aga Blue one ;)

About 13 years ago I was on the hunt for my current car and out of sheer coincidence I stopped to assist a lovely little old lady driving that '65 Aga Blue 911 on Wardell Street, Southport Qld. She had a flat and was was struggling (pre common mobile phones). After changing the tyre for her and absolutely drooling over the original condition of the car, I gave her my card and asked her to call me if ever it became available for sale. She smiled and said it was her husband's and promised to another family member. I forget her name, but I do suspect the car is safe. The experience cemented my desire for an early car!

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John,

That's a great story, I bought this same car off the street in Noosa a few years ago around 2003/4; I left a note on it, received a call later in the day and did the deal. It was owned by an architect (not an old lady) who also had a C Coupe and had done some slight recommissioning of the car; reg QLD 'SSS-67' despite it being a '65. It was planned to be turned into a race/rally car by me until I researched it & saw how original it was and decided against any movement away from original.

It now resides a block- literally- from me here in Adelaide. Here's two pics whist I had it in Melbourne, one with my Heuers and a correct wood wheel which I put on as it was lacking this........

If it's not the car you changed the tyre on, then there's still one out there.

Cheers

Stew.

Pretty sure that's it! Though it looks to have 15" wheels? Pretty sure it had 14" when I changed the wheel.

Bum. When I passed on my card it was my old work desk number and sans mobile (I always wondered if someone had ever tried to call it :D)... Glad to hear it has been left stock, it really was a bit a of a time capsule.

Hi Reuben. There can't be many 65's in NZ. I came across one 13 years ago when I was looking for my current 911. It was in Akl, RHD, red paint and had a fibreglass body kit on it & whale tail!. I remember not being particularly interested. The vendor was youngish, but made a real point of saying that it was tricky to find parts for ..and that there wern't many 65 911s around. Meant very little to me at the time. LOL! How times change.
Wonder if this is your bosses car?

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Hi Reuben. There can't be many 65's in NZ. I came across one 13 years ago when I was looking for my current 911. It was in Akl, RHD, red paint and had a fibreglass body kit on it & whale tail!. I remember not being particularly interested. The vendor was youngish, but made a real point of saying that it was tricky to find parts for ..and that there wern't many 65 911s around. Meant very little to me at the time. LOL! How times change.
Wonder if this is your bosses car?

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This one 302773 showed up about a year ago in NZ, claiming to be the first NZ delivered 911

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Seems it was painted red at one time so perhaps it's the car you looked at.

andy

I'm still suspicious of this car actually, it's said to be factory RHD but a few things are leftish, for instance:

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See the mounting holes for the "911" script are on the wrong side, symptomatic of a glovebox which was originally mounted on the right.

Also, when I asked Porsche about this car they said no to "Rechtslekung". However they said yes to Webasto. There's no way you'd get a Webasto to fit into the smaller RHD smugglers box.

My $0.02.

andy

although Andy - Stew's photo in post 14 has the 911 script on the right too .. ??!
Though i accept your point on the Webasto !

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although Andy - Stew's photo in post 14 has the 911 script on the right too .. ??!
Though i accept your point on the Webasto !

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I can't explain post 14. Stew's other photo in post 9 has it on the correct side for a RHD.

andy

Hi matt,
Yes it might be the same car. It was red and had awful bodykit, seats and wheels fitted. Dave brought it off a customer in taupo.we had been doing the engine and gearbox for its restoration but it had gone down the common path of us doing a small amount of work, requesting some payment for parts etc and not hearing anything for a couple of years. The previous owner talked about selling it on and off(I offered him money years ago before I brought my Lhd one) for years and save finally waved some money under his nose at the right moment.
It had been registered in NZ and australia as a 1970 car which is what it had been changed to look like. Not sure when or why that happened.

Thanks

Ruben, Yep, that looks like the one. Had BBS alloys too. Wow. Rusty??
Are you in Early 911NZ? John and Gary will be listening in, no doubt :-)

Umm, quick serendipity check here, but does 'Dave ' do upholstery?

I'm not sure about the wheels, something horrible I think. It had old ford escort seats in it we think!
No not a member currently. I have talked to and brought parts off John before though. I work at powerhaus (euro car repair shop)in Wellington, I should post some photos of the work we do. Not much porsche stuff going on at the moment though unfortunately!

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MMU 911 C (photo LONDON 08.1965) 1st RHD delivered ?
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/9808/mmu911c0001.jpg

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This is a great photo, not seen it before. MMU911C was the first RHD 911 to be built, it's far earlier than any of the others. It lives about 30 miles from me, but I've never actually met Simon it's keeper. If I remember correctly from an article it was featured in, it was built in the competition department. I think that's also true of all of the 65MY RHD cars because they were in such small numbers they didn't want to disturb the main production line.

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It was a UK delivery but I am not sure of the handling dealer, could it have been other than AFN? No ownership details available.

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Stew, curious to know where this info came from? AFN were sole importers?

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Stew, curious to know where this info came from? AFN were sole importers?

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Hi David- I reached out to my contacts at Porsche who summarised the Kardex details for me; it is interesting it's not listed on that old AFN '1 Pager' we have.....that was a suprise to me too.

Hope you're well mate.

Cheers

Stew.

Listening with great interest too, Matt & Reuben. If this is the same car - it lived in a garage 2 blocks from me until it was sold.

this Auckland rhd 65 is now here http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...901-numero-uno
there still seems to be some doubters on the authenticity or this car,porsche Germany told me it was rhd,we spoke with the son of the original
owner,who confirmed,and also the vehicle archives in wellington also confirmed this as the first 911 imported into nz,when I had the car it was in
primer but did have a lot of red paint on it so sounds like the same car,hey reuben I think I spoke with your boss about a 65 car,does he also own a
early 356,its nice to see these early cars cropping up