I'm hoping someone has a diagram showing how jul '67 radio would be mounted in the dash.
Can someone help, please?
Thank you, in advance.
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I'm hoping someone has a diagram showing how jul '67 radio would be mounted in the dash.
Can someone help, please?
Thank you, in advance.
wiring diagram? mounting/brackets/hardware? Photos of dash? Which diagram are you looking for?
-dallas
my apologies. i thought the request was clear.
i am looking for a diagram of the mounting mechanism/parts/pieces that are needed to properly mount a 67 blaupunkt frankfort to the dash of a porsche 911.
I looked everywhere - the original user manuals, the parts manuals, etc.. None show an exploded diagram of the mounting pieces and hardware. I'll dig a bit more.
Maybe try the source in Europe who deal in vintage radios,,,Koenig is the name I think.
I am currently knee deep in a bit of an over the top restoration on a Frankfurt.
I believe the attached picture is what was used but am unsure if the thick solid washer or the cupped washer were used. Order would be washer, dash, chrome finishing nut, chrome serrated knob, black bakalite knob.
Can take picture of the mounting bracket tomorrow
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ahhh ... now we're talking ...
as dmaddox found, the documentation is not very good. the parts manual has virtually nothing, and the blaupunkt material is almost as bad.
718RSK has the right idea! thank you for getting it started. however, my radio has a thin hex nut that would appear to go over the dash, before the bezel and knobs.
the sequence of washers, nuts, and knobs is what i'm trying to figure out.
the suggestion of joris might be worth following.
it'd be cool to have a definitive diagram, or at least a photo with the proper parts in the proper sequence. let's keep this going.
Mike, the thin zinc plated hex nuts are used to tighten the tuning and volume pots to the radio housing. The cupped washers shown cover them. I am pretty sure the chrome finishing washers with the two holes are what is used against the dash facing the driver
718RSK,
REALLY!?!? that's totally different than i was led to believe, but it makes perfect sense.
so, the chrome finishing washers snuggle down into the cupped pieces to solidify it to the dash?
so, where do i get the cupped washers?
ms
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Ingo should be able to help
I will give Ingo a call!
Then I'll share what I learn.
Let's keep the line open for more education.
Sorry. I typed "Ingo" but my phone is sure it is smarter than me.
Does this help at all?
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Some further clarification
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718RSK, THAT is really helpful!! THANK YOU!!
Now, where do i get the cupped washers?
and do the cup washers go behind the dash? or in front?
you guys are amazing! (i'm coordinating with Mike Fitton, also.)
also, as i continue to dig, i found this old 'for sale' post that shows the fastener sequence for the posts. (it appears that the exact fastener sequence changes from model-to-model.)
Mike Fitton's diagram is incredibly helpful. it usses a face plate, which might change the details, a bit, but i'm continuing the research. thanks, mike!!
the breadth and depth of knowledge on this Registry is always impressive.
I just got off the phone with Ingo Prangenburg and he filled me in on a whole list of details. So, my deep appreciation to Ingo, as to "cdenegaar" for performing the introduction.
I am still searching for more details, but it also appears that different Blaupunkt models had slightly different configurations of the minutia (washers, spacers, nuts, etc.), so it would appear that "one size" does not "fit all."
Be careful to look at information from the correct period if sourcing the detailed installation parts for the base radios — some information above is later than swb. It might be a general guide to installation so prove useful in that regard even if some details changed.
Below is the set of components from Bosch for 911 of era you are asking about. Source is the technical guides ring binders used by the official Bosch Blaupunkt service network who installed and repaired this stuff in aftermarket back the day.
This is the “installation overview” in one of the service books it gives some of the particular part numbers as printed on 60s.
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Generally the radio units were supplied plain generic core without ancillaries - done way to to allow a generic core Frankfurt (or whatever) to fit many car marques and models. An installation set was available separately to provide the appropriate installation and configuration components to fit it into the particular marque/ model dash. Each component within had a part number and various components were usually contained in a separate box labelled with the intended car application. In this case the installation set for Porsche 911 (date as picture). Not just containing the physical brackets, clips and electrical connectors tailored to the application but also the correct knobs chrome face etc to ensure the plain core radio once installed in dash was visually in keeping with the OEM dashboard style of that date. Usually these sets had instructions and even more detailed parts. The example above appears to be the diagrammatic part of one if these instructions (probably from 74ish ...judging by the Porsche models shown). Not too much changed however and the line diagram maybe a carryover. The fitting kit for 911/912 64-68 was part number 7 608 564 000. There was a different part number with or without speaker; also a later versions with different part numbers (but that is not era you’re interested in)
Hope the information helps supplement what you’ve found from others. Good luck with the install. By the way always make sure speakers are connected before switching on as there wasn’t protection of no speaker in that era!!
Steve
You guys always amaze me!
Steve's input (above) is source material of the highest reliability and explains a great deal about the actual procedures at the time.
thank you!
If “Knopfe” refers to the 2 black radio knobs than I am surprised that the 356 and 64/67 911/912 shared the same knobs.
My observations are 356 /901 tulip convex knobs, (most) 64 911 and further concave style.
Richard
P.s. Joris I am impressed you get cars finished w replating, etc of practically (in this case w the exception of the shafts?) all the parts a car has. That is why I prefer drivers :D
Richard, for me this hobby is much more about the journey and the challenges you have to overcome on it than the destination. Don't get me wrong, enjoy driving the cars but the restoration process for me is much more enjoyable.
We do know that 356 series and early 912/911 radios did NOT all use the same knobs; there were variants in size (and color e.g., black or ivory). As just one example, the "Y" series radio (67 only) used a knob that was distinctive to that radio. So, I don't understand the implication of Knopfe in the document shown above.
Do you have a photo of the unique '67 knob that you cite?
Ingo is indeed knowledgeable, he restored mine... with modern internals. Amazing how light it is now!Quote:
Originally Posted by mshaver51
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Just to follow-up on this thread, attached a picture of the bracket which I believe was used to mount the radio on <67 cars. With regard to the washers posted by me in an earlier post, I believe these were only used on cars without the wood dash.
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Yes, MShaver, although Bullethead, provided one shot of these distinctive 67 (Series Y) radio knobs, here is another photo if you are willing to scroll through the photographs of this car until you see the dash shot. https://goo.gl/photos/D5LLEwxMxAxzM3wJA
Are the big dished washer/spacers used for 68' steel dash cars? I too am deep into a Frankfurt restoration.
Couldn't sleep last night and had to do something about my half missing labels. PM me if you need one.
Casey