Good member-suggested section starts here...
Good member-suggested section starts here...
Nice idea for a thread. I'm a big fan of early cars that have been hot rodded -- not so much for the later cars. I know this is the early S registry, but maybe you should specify in the thread title "early" because P-cars of every vintage are ripe for modifications and somehow may end up included here!
CLONE is the operative word in the title ... that encompasses all years.
Leave it alone and let the chips fall where they may.
Porsche Classics at the Castle - September 6, 2015, Castle Hedingham, UK
1971 Porsche 911 E Coupe - 2.7 RSR Specification - Lot 151
VIN: 9111200147
Engine: -
Trans: -
Registration Number: Danish Registered
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: £70,000 - £90,000/~US$107,000 - $137,500
Sold for: NO SALE
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Auction Description:
With the Porsche philosophy in mind, the vendor of this 911E decided to fit a larger 3.6 964 engine for increased power and performance. Built up by the vendor over a period of 3 years, and completed in 2012, this 911E now drives like a completely different machine. Having been tested at the famous Nürburgring circuit, it has been deemed a truly great drivers car.
Now weighing in at around 1150kg, with a 274bhp motor mated to the strong G50 gearbox, Turbo brakes on each corner, Bilstein shocks, and RSR specification Fuchs alloy wheels, this car most definitely looks and drives the part.
This one was on ebay, and did not sell at a high bid of $61500. It is now on Craigslist for 75K.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sf...214417545.html
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WTB R Gruppe or R type 911 coupe!
would be interested in a semi project car as well....
let me know
thanks
A 1970 911 RS clone on ebay listed by Fantasy Junction. 3.6 swap with a lot of suspension work done.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=121755598359
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Great thread idea.
I know of this one...
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...S-1966-R-Clone
Speedo
Some cool big block long hoods for sale. I made the mistake of paying off mine, and now I am itching for something else.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...3-2r-sale.html
The original San Diego owner had this 1977 911s converted into an 86 Carrera in 1986 by ANDIAL using new factory parts which including a new crated 3.2 motor. The car has had 3 careful So Cal owners since; has 68000mi on the chassis and significantly less on the 3.2 motor.
The car had a full tear down and repaint from Sienna Metallic to Grand Prix White with Dolphin Grey IROC Bumpers. Themed as a light weight car everything not needed for comfortable weekend sports touring and canyon carving was removed - 2400lbs with spare/tools and fuel. Many refreshes, replacements and upgrades.
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First week of ownership earlier this summer.
As seen before at Porsche Classics at the Castle, Castle Hedingham, UK - but at a new lower estimate.
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Coys at Ascot, October 10, 2015, Ascot Racecourse, UK
1971 Porsche 911 E Coupe - 2.7 RSR Specification - Lot 158
VIN: 9111200147
Engine: -
Trans: -
Registration Number: Danish Registered
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: £60,000 - £75,000/~US$91,000 - $113,500
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...1&d=1441674875
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...2&d=1441674893
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...3&d=1441674910
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...4&d=1441674925
Auction Description:
With the Porsche philosophy in mind, the vendor of this 911E decided to fit a larger 3.6 964 engine for increased power and performance. Built up by the vendor over a period of 3 years, and completed in 2012, this 911E now drives like a completely different machine. Having been tested at the famous Nürburgring circuit, it has been deemed a truly great drivers car.
Now weighing in at around 1150kg, with a 274bhp motor mated to the strong G50 gearbox, Turbo brakes on each corner, Bilstein shocks, and RSR specification Fuchs alloy wheels, this car most definitely looks and drives the part.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...rs-engine.html
Former Barrett Smith/Jeff Gamroth car with a 3.8L RS motor. Totally sweet but asking $224,990. As an owner of a Smith/Gamroth hotrod this add makes me happy. I would personally love this car but it is a bit out of my reach.
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A nice car for sale in Orange County, CA:
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/ctd/5242951118.html
NO AFFILIATION:
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"1966 Porsche 911 Coupe that was made into a race car that is now street legal."
VIN: 304250
Engine: 907456 (modified to twin-plug)
Trans: - (901/05)
Color: -
Mileage: 99,328
Price: US$99,975
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Dealer's Description:
This is a 1966 Porsche 911 Coupe that was made into a race car that is now street legal. Car is vin # 304250 with motor # 907456 and casting # 901/05. Engine is period correct with twin plug cylinder heads. Weber carbs, headers and MSD ignition. Has fuel cell and battery cut off switch. Car has no heater but does have AC. Interior has race seats, roll bar, cage and harnesses. Doors, deck lid, hood are fiberglass. Front windshield is glass, rest of windows are lexan (plastic). Brakes are later model S brakes.
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A 1973 911T done with an RS flavor and a 2.7 twin plug engine. It is on Bring a Trailer as an auction car now:
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/197...-911t-hot-rod/
Again....not mine.
An interesting car in need of many parts, but has an interesting look about it:
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=321879995668
For the Record:
VIN: 9113103316
Engine: 6135945
Trans: 731372
Auction/Seller's Description:
This 1973 Porsche 911T Sunroof Coupe was converted into an RS-themed hot rod in the early ’90s. This is a well-optioned example delivered new in paint-to-sample Zambezi Green with Comfort Package as confirmed by the included Porsche Certificate of Authenticity. Starting from a clean and low mileage car, genuine steel RS flares were fitted prior to a high-quality respray. ’73-specific sport seats highlight a very clean interior and the car sits on proper RS-spec Fuchs wheels. Power comes from a 2.7 liter twin-plug engine built around a 1970 T case, and the car has been maintained over the past 12 years by its PCA member owner.
The seller purchased the car in 2003 and has enjoyed it regularly since. Zambezi Green (Porsche code 231) is a period factory 914 color, ordered on this example at extra cost on Porsche’s paint-to-match program as confirmed by the included COA, which also shows this car was factory-optioned with an S-style front spoiler. The seller says flares are authentic steel RS items from Porsche, and the fiberglass rear bumper and ducktail spoiler are good quality reproductions. Wheels are staggered six and seven inch wide, 15″ Fuchs with 1973 date stamps. Note also the deleted rocker covers.
The interior has been nicely restored to RS-spec with reupholstered OEM ’73 sports seats with correct double slider locks and tippers. Also fitted are RS style door panels without pockets and 964 RS door pulls. All gauges, lights, and switches are functional, the radio has been deleted with a blanking plate, and the Momo Prototipo steering wheel is new.
The engine was built on a ’70 T case (#6108785) and is believed to displace 2.7 liters. It runs 40mm Weber IDA carbs and twin plug heads, dual coils, and a 12-plug distributor. The seller says it starts easily and pulls strong with a great sound and excellent throttle response. There is a very small oil stain from the LH cam tower area. Recent work included fitment of a new clutch, shocks and struts (all Bilsteins) as well as new brakes. The car has desireable S-spec alloy front brake calipers.
A stainless steel exhaust feeds a Dansk Sport muffler with megaphone-style tips. Power is sent through the car’s original 915 transaxle and all gears engage easily with good synchros and positive clutch feel. The seller says engine and trans are free of leaks. Owned by an active Porsche Club of America member, the car regularly participates in club tours and local shows.
Silverstone Auctions, The Porsche Sale 2015, The Wing, Silverstone Circuit, 25th October, 2015
1973 3.0L 911 RSR Replica, Lot 228
VIN: 9113500727
Engine: -
Trans: -
Registration: -
Mileage: -
Color: -
Auction Estimate: £80,000 - 90,000/~US$121,000 - 136,000
Sold for: Unsold
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Auction Description:
This RSR replica is built from a genuine 1973 German chassis, and as such may be eligible for historic racing events. Essentially this is an M491 conversion which includes a fully documented full engine rebuild by ATG Auto-Team-Glinde, GMBH at a cost of 12,000 Euros (£8,800). The engine conversion consisted of a tuned 3.0 (2994cc) unit, with RSR pistons, rods and pods, and sports camshafts developing 176kw (240PS). It has been totally overhauled and detailed and a lightweight stainless steel sports exhaust has been fitted. The 5-speed transmission has been rebuilt, suspension lowered and uprated and the whole package is complimented beautifully with the fitting of wide Fuchs alloys with performance tyres at each corner.
We are told that externally both the bonnet and rear duck tail deck lid are lightened and secured with deck fasteners, wheel arches both front and back have been flared, correct period decals have been added, spotlights have been fitted to both front wings and finally a lightweight air dam sits up front with an integrated oil cooler. The white bodywork is very straight, the gloss of its paintwork is deep, and its shut lines are reassuringly symmetrical and narrow and almost flawless throughout.
Internally, a 10,000 rpm tacho sits in front of the driver along with a 300 kmh speedometer, a beautiful Momo Corse suede leather steering wheel is fitted, complimented by a superb pair of lightweight adjustable RS bucket seats, lightweight door cards and pull handles and of course, the deletion of the rear seating and radio. Importantly the vendor informs us that the sale includes a full rollover cage front and rear plus race harnesses as seen in the pictures, and these can be easily fitted should the new owner wish.
Sold with UK Nova documentation, fresh MOT, historical 27 page Dekra report (done after the RSR conversion), current German Fahrzeugbrief and Fahrzeeugschein with historic German registration, and Nova UK paperwork ready for UK registration.
That is a VERY nice looking car, Doug. Good find!
A few details here and there and it could be really nice.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...twin-plug.html
That is my car for sale directly above. I was going to post the listing here and you beat me to it, thanks!
I had the opportunity to take a close-up look at this car on Saturday while at Auto Kennel. I must say.....it is very nice, and sounds amazing going through the gears.Attachment 352627
For the record - GLWS.
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FS: 1970 911T Sports Purpose 2.8L Twin Plug Non-Sunroof Coupe
Asking Price: $65,000
Location: Oceanside, CA
VIN# 9110101766
Photo/Video Link (multiple pages so look through all):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/591293...57659310295960
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For the record - GLWS.
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1973 Porsche 911 RSR Homage with Gamroth 3.8L Twin Plug 993RS Engine - US$224,990 (Costa Mesa, CA)
VIN # WP0AB0913ES120316
ENG# 64T01874 (M64/23)
Less than 5,000 Miles on Build
Ferrari Rosso Corso on Black Interior
5-Speed Manual Gearbox
Clean and Clear Title
Backdated from 1984 Carrera Turbolook by Jeff Gamroth
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Auction now live via Bring a Trailer (link below):
1970 Porsche 911T 2.8L Hotrod | Bring a Trailer
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An RS tribute car built from a 1969 911T. Now has a 2.7 twin plug, and a list of upgraded parts. Shows well in the photos.
Seller has it priced at $115,000.
1 day left, don't miss out!
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/197...-8l-twin-plug/
A hot rod / outlaw on eBay. Looks to have a lot of desirable parts on the car:
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=321913184687
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A 1988 hot rod/ back date with some RS flavoring:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=221936837999
I bet it's a hoot to drive. Nice build.
This is a tough group! I should remember to state that the cars I post are not mine.......simply cars I find for sale on various auction sites. But.....in defense of the seller I must say that, building a large, twin plug engine (3.4 to 3.8 liters) with ITB's will easily bring a bill of $35K to $40K. So if you add in the price of the car, the cost of the engine, the back date and paint costs, and figure a shop completing all the work, the build costs would add up pretty quickly.
Like I said, no affiliation to the seller. But as I am building my own car now, it is amazing how quickly the project expenses add up. And all the work thus far on my car has been done in my garage! If I had to pay a shop for everything, my car would not get built. Not on my budget anyway.
When I was at Rothsport to pick up my car, Gamroth stated that he couldn't build my car now for under 150k. The costs definitely add up.
Agreed, looks like a good build. Unfortunately, the downside of hot-rodding to this degree is that you rarely get all of your money back.
My point was that there is hardly anything done to this car, it is not much of a backdate. Except for the bumpers/fenders, it still looks like an SC.
SC? you mean the interior and the flares?
or are you talking about something other than the 3.5L green car?
Yes, talking about the green 3.5 "backdate."
Besides bumpers and front fenders, nothing else is a "backdate."
it's a hot rod and priced accordingly
not every one wants to travel backwards in time
@classiccarswest - 1971-Porsche-911T - 73 RS Clone
http://www.classiccarswest.com/1971_...-RS-Clone.html
so what do people think this green hotrod is worth 65k -75k ?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...lue-3-2-a.html
Former targa. Now a coupe with a 3.2 and RS look.
No affiliation.
Nice RSR clone at Auto Kennel:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281906975052...d=221993228099
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On the surface I look at this and think "$149,990! Who would pay that?" Then I do the math and assuming I could find a rust-free 1970-ish 911 for less than $40k then hand it over to a quality shop to craft a similar vehicle, 18 to 24 months later I would probably have close to the asking price into a conversion. Am I wrong?
Just wish it was white or gulf blue.
color works for me....
looks proper overall......from this pic
geez 150k...
I have built a couple of hot rods for 60% of selling price. To to that, you need 1.) luck, 2.) patience to find exceptional parts deals, 3.) luck, 4.) excellent, reliable suppliers, 5.) luck, 6.) no time pressure, 7.) luck, 8.) rising market.
All of this, plus some luck, and you can do it.
what you really need is your own labor
When I picked my car up at Rothsport (3 years ago) Jeff Gamroth stated it would take $150,000 for him to build my car. It is amazing how quickly the hot rod tab adds up when you factor in rare period parts and the time it takes a true artisan to build them. These things are a labor of love.
It's easy to spend $150K on a quality hot rod build especially if the body is a mess and you need to source a lot of parts and do a proper job on the rust all these old cars inevitably have. The labor adds up quickly and I'm pretty sure we've all been shocked by the price for some of the cool part we all want. $10K sport seats, $5k MFI pumps, $1k H1's, Fuch's are big bucks and that's just a start.....do the math.
The second mouse get's the cheese - build only if you must.
Phil
No engine photos or RS rear fender flairs . . .
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Silverstone Race Retro Classic Car Sale Auction, Stoneleigh Park, Coventry, CV8 2LZ, February 26-27, 2016
1972 Porsche 911E 2.7RS replica, Lot 745
VIN: 9112501695
Engine: 6230033
Trans: -
Color: Light Yellow(originally)/Black
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: £50,000 - 60,000/~US$70,500 - 85,000
Sold for: NOT SOLD - Buy now for £55,000/~US$77,000
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Auction Description:
Offered here is a 1972 Porsche 911 2.7 RS replica based on a German market, Porsche 911E 2.4 delivered new by Reinhardt OHG of Ratingen. Allegedly, its first owner was an American serviceman who specified various options to his Light Yellow 911E. The Letter of Authenticity lists sports seats, roll bars and black Porsche side decals. Today this 911 presents as, every inch, a completely rebuilt RS to Lightweight specification with GRP wings, bumpers, bonnet and interior seats with competition belts. The engine is modified along with the suspension and a rebuilt limited slip differential. The wheels are 8x15 rears and 7x15 Fuchs fronts. This recreation was the pet project of a renowned Porsche specialist, who intended the car for fast road use and occasional competition.
The history file contains bills from various suppliers, but importantly a series of invoices from marque specialists, Francis Tuthill Ltd. The invoices run from 2009 to 2011 and catalogue expenditure on the engine and gearbox, with the emphasis on reliability. The work amounted to circa £15,000 and this is evident in the way the RS drives today. Lots of further detail abouts this cars full specification can be found in the file. It's MoT'd until October 2016.
The 1973 RSL and RSRs just get better looking and more desirable as the years go by, and with that superb marriage of form and function, I can't imagine they will ever look out of date.
This is a pretty, fast and well-sorted evocation of a '73 RSL and with the originals being offered at up to 10 times our guide price here, it's worthy of serious consideration.
Getz:When I picked my car up at Rothsport (3 years ago) Jeff Gamroth stated it would take $150,000 for him to build my car. It is amazing how quickly the hot rod tab adds up when you factor in rare period parts and the time it takes a true artisan to build them. These things are a labor of love.
Often times it's not "Love" by the end of the build ! ...... The "Second Mouse" will definitely get the Cheese w / this car. TB
Here is a 911 Gentleman's Hot Rod offered by Autokennel in Orange County, CA:
http://www.autokennel.com/AutoKennel...storation.html
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1970 RS styled tribute car on eBay:
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=121918729777
I'm pretty sure the the red RS clone has been sold.
Phil
That was a really nice car, he didn't put many miles on it after the rebuild though. I guess some guys enjoy the building more. So many restored or modified builds get sold with almost no miles put on by the guy who paid the bills.
My theory: lots of folks think they want a much more uncompromising experience (loud, super-stiff suspension with no ground clearance, etc.) than they actually do, and when they finally get to drive what they've created they find they aren't having any fun. But please note I am not saying this personal theory of mine applies to this particular car/owner.
alternatively: lots of folks think they want a much more uncompromising experience (loud, super-stiff suspension with no ground clearance, etc.) and they're right! But by the time they finish their build, they are old and want a cushy ride
But at least they're half-deaf by then and the car doesn't seem so loud.
Let me first say that I have no affiliation with this car. Now that that's out of the way this car is certainly not for the purists but for the money I think you would be hard pressed to find its equal. It was $85K and now at $69,500 it should move quickly to a new home. If it were mine I would change the wheels immediately and then drive it everywhere.
http://fantasyjunction.com/cars/1765...t%206-Cylinder
although all of us love the early cars,..not all of us track them. I track/instruct, its a huge passion of mine, and I must say that this car if you would pay for all the labor set up etc of the add ons is quite a deal in todays market. Sure the cage is a bummer for safe street driving but still.
Like stated, its not for every1, but man it is a really really sweet deal if there are no hidden surprises.
Silverstone Auctions May Sale, Friday 20th May 2016, The Wing Building, Silverstone Circuit, Northamptonshire.
1969 Porsche 911 Carrera RS Replica, Lot 327
VIN: 129023001
Engine: 6130603 ('73 911T Case)
Trans: -
Color: Light Ivory/Black
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: £75,000 - 85,000/~US$110,000 - $125,000
Sold for: NO SALE (Buy now for £80,000/~US116,000)
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Auction Description:
This Carrera 'RS Replica' was built in 2005, and immediately purchased from PAR Porsche by renowned US automotive expert Richard Taylor. Since completion by PAR, it has had just one knowledgeable owner and he only drove it on the 1000-mile 'Vintage Rallies' that he and his wife Jean organize in New England and West Virginia. Mr. Taylor had this car regularly serviced by Porsche expert Kurt Palmer at Autosport in Sharon, Connecticut and, pleasingly, it comes with all receipts and paperwork since 2005.
When it came to the engine, PAR started with the engine case from a 1973 911T. This was shuffle-pinned and line-bored, had the oil circuit updated and fitted with a 930 Turbo oil pump. The 9.5:1 JE pistons are on Pauter connecting rods that attach to a Magna-fluxed and micro-polished crankshaft. The new cylinders are topped with ported and polished 'Big Valve' heads from a 1973 2.7-litre engine, E cams and Weber 40 IDA carburetors fed by a pressure-regulated 100 gph Holley fuel pump.
A Euro Carrera distributor with MSD 6200 electronic ignition, K&N air filters, and stainless steel exhaust with dual 3-inch outlets are among the finishing touches, along with Club Sport motor mounts and a 911S oil tank with remote front oil cooler. The classic boxer six drives through a 'Centerforce' clutch and Porsche 901 5-speed transaxle with close-ratio gears.
The front brakes consist of oversize discs from the 3.2 Carrera and calipers from the 944 Turbo, and the rear brakes are 911S with vented discs. All brake lines are braided stainless steel. The suspension includes Carrera front struts and rear shock absorbers and 911 Turbo tie-rod assemblies. Weltmeister supplied front control arm bushings, adjustable rear spring plates, front and rear torsion bars and steering rack spacers. Cornering is sharpened by an adjustable front shock tower brace.
The Porsche body supplied by Reutter has received steel Carrera RS factory fender flares, Carrera RS front bumper and a Carrera RS "duck tail" rear spoiler. European-spec turn signals, taillights, driving lights and H4 headlights have been fitted. The exterior is painted Light Ivory, a correct 1973 Porsche color, with blue Carrera RS graphics. Original Fuchs alloy wheels—polished rims with matching Blue spokes and proper Porsche center caps—are unique to the 1973 Carrera RS—15x6 front, 15x7 rear. They're fitted with high-performance, directional, Yokohama tyres, size 195/60-15 front, 215/60-15 rear.
The Black interior features Carrera RS door panels, new carpeting with floor mats, new headliner, new Sparco competition bucket seats, classic Momo leather-wrapped steering wheel and a six-point bolt-in Safety Devices roll bar. An Alpine AM/FM/CD with Boston Acoustic speakers is the only non period-correct interior modification. Happily, the Alpine faceplate detaches, leaving an unobtrusive black face. Four-point G-Force racing seat belts—blue to match the Carrera RS graphics—highlight the interior.
Purchased in the US by our vendor in 2015 and imported back into the UK, this car has received further love and attention under his ownership with UK registration and work carried out by the Porsche specialists, Jaz, in Hertfordshire. Since then, the car has been maintained by our vendor's collection manager and has been thoroughly enjoyed with limited mileage under his current ownership. This special car is being offered for the first time in the UK, and has spent most of its time in a climate-controlled environment, so it will be a perfect car for tours and rallies, not to mention delightful drives on a summer Sunday.
Just thought I would post my hotrod. Two year build...Not meant to be an exact ST etc but a fun and exciting car meant to be driven. Tons of goodies. The more I drive her the more I enjoy her and want to keep her. However, I could use some cash for a variety of reasons. Am interested in Porsche trades plus cash. See details below...Some of you have seen her elsewhere and I have had over 25+ trades/offers but nothing yet that fits my needs.
Asking 99k...
BASE CAR - 1988 Porsche 911 Signature Series Coupe w/Sunroof
COA Available
VIN: WP0AB0915JS120523
BODY
• Glass-Out Repaint in Dolphin Grey (Porsche Code 6410) – Taken to bare metal
• Sunroof w/ new felt
• Factory Steel 1987 Turbo Flares F/R Custom Profiled – Over 100+ Hours
• Factory 1972 Front Steel Bumper - Custom
• Rear Fiberglass ST Bumper
• Completely Renewed (Anodized) Early Bright Work Window and Door Trim
• Custom Center Fill Gas Tank
• Gas Tank stripped to bare metal, primed, painted and clear coated.
• H4 Headlights w/ Bosch Amber Glass Lenses
• Porsche 911 72-73 Driver side mirror – No passenger side mirror
• New Early Exterior Door Handles w/keys
• Lexan front quarter driver’s side window with bubble vent. Passengers side lexan w/out vent. - TRE
• Lexan closed louvered rear quarter windows – GT Racing
• New Window Rubber and Seals All Around
• Front boot area cleaned and resprayed matt black
• Undercarriage cleaned
• New Engine Compartment Decals
• Early Porsche script matt black graphics
• Custom RS-WERKS rear decklid script
• LED License Plate Light
ENGINE
• 3.6lt – 62M09633 M64/01 – Low mileage (55k)
• Computer Chip
• Patrick Motorsports Lightened Flywheel
• Rothsport 964/993 RS Conversion Hub (Single Pulley Conversion)
• Elephant Racing Finned Oil Lines – Supply & Return Side
• Rebel Racing Semi-Solid Engine Mounts
• New Injectors
• 993 Heat Exchangers
• Misc. 3.6 Conversion Parts
• Custom Stainless Steel Exhaust (Dual Exit) (X-Pipe)
• Custom diamond stitched high temp vinyl engine pad
• New Battery
TRANS/CLUTCH
• Getrag 50 (G50) – Rebuilt
• WEVO Precision G50 Shift Coupler
INTERIOR
• GTS Sebring 5900 leatherette/corduroy seats w/ grommets and headrests
• Silver Dot Gauges
• Vintage Momo Prototipo “350”mm Steering Wheel
• Momo Hub Adapter
• Rennline Blower Motor Assembly Cover (Black)
• Rennline Passenger Floor Board (Perforated/Black)
• Rear Seat Delete
• Radio Delete - Need to Install
• RS Carpet Kit
• RS Early Door Panels
• OEM Early Door Tops
• New Black Headliner
• Recovered Dash
• SWB Rear View Mirror (long stem)
• New Early Metal Door Sill Plates
• New Door Felt
• 917 Throttle Pedal (Black) – D-Zug
• 917 Style Key – D-Zug
• 917 Style Shift Knob - Need to install
• Electric windows replaced with manual
• Sound deadening
• Early 911 Windshield Washer Bottle
BRAKES
• Porsche Twin Turbo Big Reds (Front) – Rotors and Calipers (need to check parts numbers)
• 930 Cross Drilled Rotors (Rear) - 964 Calipers (need to check parts numbers)
• New Master Cylinder
• SS Brake Hose Kit
SUSPENSION
• Bilstein HD Front Shocks
• Bilstein Sport Shocks
• Elephant Racing Rear Coilovers
• 300lb Hyper CO Springs w/Helper Springs
• Sway-Away Adjustable Spring Plates
• Turbo Tie-Rod Ends
• New Front Control Arms (L/R)
• 21mm Front Torsion Bar
• Stomski Bump Steer Kit
• Stomski 911 Rear Monoballs
• Front RSR Strut Brace Kit - TRE
• Reinforced Rear Shock Towers – Rebel Racing
• All New Bushings
• Corner Balanced and Aligned
Wheels
• Penta MotorSports 917 Replica Wheels - Black
o Front – 9 x 17 wrapped in NITTO NT05 235 /40 R17 90W SL BSW
o Rear – 10.5 x 17 wrapped in NITTO NT05 315 /35 R17 102W SL BSW
o 80mm Wheel Studs (Front)
• Spacers front and back
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Black wheels... maybe change to period correct finish. Or silver Empi's. Or wide 15" Fuchs in sandblasted finish?
Bonhams Greenwich Concours D'Elegance Auction, June 5, 2016
1965 Porsche 911 Coupe, Lot 46
VIN: 302023
Engine: 902193 (original) plus 2.2L and 2.7L (907847)
Trans: 101927 (901/0)
Color: Signal Red/Black Leatherette
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: US$ 150,000 - 180,000/€130,000 - 160,000/£100,000 - 120,000
Sold for: "AMENDED" (?)
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Auction Description:
*Expertly prepared Rally Specification Porsche
*Original early model example
*Retains matched numbers engine
*Won the Targa Newfoundland Classic Division in 2012
This stunning example was refurbished with the aim of competing on the Targa Newfoundland in 2012. Taking a rare mid '65, matching numbers '302' prefix 911, the car had covered roughly 40,000 miles from new by then and was in good 'rust-free' order, the car was sent to Jim Newton here in Connecticut, who comprehensively reworked it for rally campaigning. The original motor was stored and in its place a 2.2 liter unit built up, later specification suspension and gearbox fitted. The bodywork was reconstructed with fiberglass front fenders, front hood, rear trunk lid and rear bumper, the originals all being retained. The Porsche was then repainted in its original Signal red scheme and the interior refurbished with a Spartan set of racing seats, seatbelts and window nets. A full roll cage was installed.
This new setup proved to be extremely effective, the car winning the Classic Division of the Targa Newfoundland that year as intended! Further events were planned, including a campaign on the grueling Carrera Panamericana, for which a 2.7 liter engine was built by Musante Motor Sports, and is currently fitted to the car, but ultimately that was not attempted.
Today, the Porsche remains set up and ready to go in its current rally spec form, and better still if down the line it was ever desired to return it back to original, virtually all the original parts including seats and matched numbers engine remain with the car.
good looking period hot rod....
all done by a really good shop
Taking it back to stock shouldn't be out of the question and it could be worth it given the fact it is a '65. A lot of work. Sell the two "built engines" for some initial funding?
Removing the roll bar will be the event full of colorful metaphors.:eek: It's welded to the A Pillars and I venture the B Pillars too. Nice work that makes for a stiff chassis.
I'd like to know more about the heater. The fuel tank is interesting too.
1972 Porsche 911E Coupe - RS Tribute
VIN: -
Engine: -
Trans: -
Color: Albert Blue/Black
Mileage: 60,000
Price: US$75,000
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Seller's Description:
Located in Cambridge, Ontario; RS Tribute Street/track, 2.7L, MFI, 9.5:1 compression, 220bhp, Factory LSD, front oil cooler, Brembo brakes, adjustable sway bars, racing seats, harnesses, bolt in cage, on board fire suppression, built and prepped to be driven, too many details to list here, watch "An Early 911" for video, all details on request.
Looks interesting but I couldn't find on PCA.
The Classic Race Aarhus Auction, 28-29 May, 2016, Denmark
1973 Porsche 911 'RS Appreciation' Coupe, Lot 223
VIN: 9113500998
Engine: -
Trans: -
Color: -
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: NO SALE
Available for: €96,140/~US$107,000
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Auction Description:
This potent 1973 machine is very well known in Danish circles: Built by the respected Porsche specialist Holger Winsløv, it was his personal car for 30 years and continuously modified for his own use and fun. It has been through several iterations before arriving at its present RS-look.
Although the current look is pure '73 RSL, this car is not attempting to replicate anything and is simply about combining various desirable elements of earlier cars into a very serious track tool /quick road car. The featherweight early 911-structure is powered by a later 964-engine to RS-specifications, set up correctly for track use, with appropriate suspension, 930-brakes, and a limited slip differential as well. As you would expect from an enthusiast, this car has been tweaked and fine-tuned over the years to suit his requirements, and in the right hands, this well sorted 911 is capable of scaring much newer cars on track days and is an awesome road car.
Just saw them unloading this RS at Fantasy Junction - - for a cool $750k.. "restored by porsche"..
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Beautiful looking car Andreas!
I'm not a buyer but curious nonetheless - the Fuchs - are they 7/8 x 16?
Johan
Hi Johan
That are 8 and 9 x16.
Andreas
RSR-Style 1969 Porsche 911 Hotrod
VIN: 119120031
Engine: Modified 3.8-liter 993 Engine
Trans: Rebuilt 5-speed 915 Gearbox
Color: -
Mileage: 7K since build
Price: TBD
Sold for: US$144,500
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BaT's Description:
This 1969 Porsche 911 is a modified RSR tribute with 7K miles on a comprehensive custom build featuring 930 flares, RSR bodywork, and a modified 3.8L 993 engine with Mahle RSR pistons, 3.8 RSR camshafts, and more detailed below. The project began on the east coast in the late 2000s, and completion took two years and reportedly cost almost $200K. Said to be reliable and fast, the car has performed well at recent track days and has been driven in road rallies including the Targa California and Baja Targa. It was the subject of a 2015 Automobile feature and is available with partial build receipts and a clean California title.
The build started with a 1969 911 body shell that underwent rust repair before 930 flares were welded on and seams filled. Fiberglass RSR-look pieces were added including the hood, air dam, ducktail deck lid, and rear bumper. The car was then painted inside and out, including the floors and under the dash. The finish presents well overall. This car has been regularly enjoyed on the road and as a result shows some chips, scuffs, dings, and sandblasting on the nose, rockers, and rear wheel arches. Other wear and tear includes minor scratches in the window frames, a paint chip on the right rear flare, and discoloration of the rear bumper cover above the exhaust outlets. Front lighting features an H4 headlight conversion and hood-mounted Cibie fogs. Plastic and metal trim looks clean. A Lexan rear window is fitted with cross-drilled braces, while 17″ Fikse wheels wear Toyo Proxes R888 tires measuring 255 up front and 315 in the rear.
Recaro vintage-style seats are fitted with M&R harnesses mounted to a four-point roll bar, and the driver sits behind a Momo Prototipo steering wheel. The shifter is a 917-inspired wood knob. Floor panels show painted-over pitting underneath coco mats. An RSR rear carpet set is fitted and the headliner is new. RS door panels show signs of use including a small hole in the pocket and wear on the driver’s window winder. The dash has been restored and a CAN terminal is fitted for the engine management system. Instrumentation is augmented with a 993 speedo, Accutech brake pressure gauges, large red oil pressure light, and a very nice Tag Heuer stopwatch panel in place of a radio. Rennline aluminum foot boards are fitted. The odometer was reset during the build and the car has run up 7k miles since.
The front trunk area is houses an FIA-approved fuel cell from ATL, and a rollover fuel cutoff has also been added. An upgraded fuse box allows the use of modern spade-type fuses. Power comes from a twin spark flat six sourced from a 993 and comprehensively overhauled with machine work and new parts. Displacement was increased from 3.6 to 3.8 liters. Cylinder bores were aligned and the case was decked, shuffle pinned, and boat-tailed. The crankshaft was balanced, magnafluxed, heat treated, knife edged, grooved, and cross-drilled. Carillo rods were installed with new bearings and Mahle RSR pistons for an 11:1 compression ratio. Cylinder heads were resurfaced, ported and polished, and fitted with 3.8 RSR camshafts. Valvetrain upgrades included RSR springs, RSR intake valves with new seats, new exhaust valves, and guides. These were all covered by CNC aluminum valve covers. Timing chain ramps, rails, flange, and cam gears were replaced, and a pulley and timing kit from Clewett Engineering was installed. Fabspeed headers and heater boxes feed a high-flow stainless exhaust. Induction is via independent throttle bodies and fuel injection controlled by Autronic standalone engine management. Ignition is an Autronic CDI and twin MSD coils firing through 993 distributors. A front-mount oil cooler with fan was installed, oil plugs were replaced, and oil squirters and a catch tank were added. The engine has received extensive dyno testing and is said to make substantial power, with an included year-old dyno sheet showing almost 300 horsepower.
The 915 5-speed gearbox was reinforced and rebuilt with upgraded gears and syncros, as well as new mainshaft and pinion bearings. A lightweight flywheel, RSR pressure plate, and clutch disc have also been fitted. Underbody pans appear solid in photos. Suspension upgrades include revalved Bilsteins, 21mm front and 29mm rear torsion bars, a front cross-brace, and SC trailing arms. Camber plates, rear spring plates, and rear sway bar plates are all adjustable. New rear hubs were fitted along with fresh wheel, trailing arm, and A-arm bearings, new ball joints, and Turbo tie rod ends. 930 front and rear brake calipers are actuated by an adjustable Tilton dual-reservoir master cylinder.
Many receipts are included from the initial build. Over $25K in recent service included top end work, ITB adjustment, and a clutch arm, cable, and pedal shaft. The oil thermostat, sender, and cooler fittings were also replaced and the seller is not aware of any outstanding mechanical issues. Though the car is used on track only occasionally, a recent weekend at Willow Springs reportedly yielded lap times in the mid 1:30s with prudent driving.
Was the dash face changed? It has the later (74 plus) layout and side vents. Also the gauges are the later MY74 to MY89. Just curious if this was a 69 chassis?
PCA Classified - 1969 911T RS Tribute, Ad#23986
VIN: -
Engine: -
Trans: -
Color: Gulf Orange/Black
Mileage: 800 (since build completion)
Price: US$110,000
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Seller's Description:
1973 Carrera RS Tribute/Hotrod – Freshly Built. It's been driven about 800 miles since its build and has a spectacular, high quality Gulf Orange paint job. Engine: Fresh 2.7 ltr. twin spark with electronic ignition, Weber 46 IDA carburetors, new JE 10.5:1 pistons, replated Mahle cylinders, new DC40 cams. 930 brakes, suspension and steering rack. Rebuilt 915 transmission.
2016 The Houston Classic Auction — at La Torretta Lake Resort & Spa. April 28, 2016.
1967 Porsche 911R Tribute, Lot 84
VIN: ?
Engine: ?
Trans: ?
Sold for: US$106,000
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A car well known to the community has come up for sale at Autokennel in Orange County, CA. Price is $119,900:
http://autokennel.com/1973-porsche-911-rs-turbo-coupe/Attachment 387584
tpweiss9953, Nice looking car. Where is this car located? Tried to contact you via PM but was unable to for some reason.
In this higher value early 911 market, rare to see one built as a newer competition tribute:
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1971 Porsche 911T Coupe, Lot T187
VIN: 9111121846
Engine: -
Trans: -
Color: -
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: -
Sold for: NOT SOLD, highest bid $150,000 "The BID Goes On . . ."
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Auction Description:
- Museum quality reproduction of famous #59 1974 Brumos Racing Porsche 911 RSR 3.0
- A Brumos-approved replica of the car that carried Peter Gregg to the 1974 Trans Am and IMSA championships
- In 1975, the same #59 car won the 24 Hours of Daytona with Peter Gregg and co-driver Hurley Haywood
- Bob Snodgrass, owner of Brumos Porsche and patriarch of Brumos Racing, provided detailed information for the project
- Build was completed by Bob Hindson Racing in 1991 after 18 months of work
- A 1971 Porsche 911 full semi tube frame chassis was used for this project
- 3.0 liter twin-plug, dry sump engine
- 1,946-pound curb weight gives the vehicle a power-to-weight ratio similar to a new Porsche Cup car
- The engine is capable of being tuned to two separate configurations of either 340 or 315 horsepower
- 0 engine hours since full engine rebuild by Kevin Wheeler Motorsports
- Modern safety equipment installed for vintage competition eligibility
- This car was raced for a short period of time in various historic races
- Vintage racing log books were issued by HSR and PCA Club Racing
- Sold on Bill of Sale
Shoot me an email. travispaulweiss@gmail.com
For sale again with lower auction estimate . . .
Silverstone 'Auction Torque', Saturday, October 15, 2016
1969 Porsche 911 Carrera RS Replica, Lot 318
VIN: 129023001
Engine: 6130603 ('73 911T Case)
Trans: -
Color: Light Ivory/Black
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: £65,000 - 75,000/~US$85,000 - $110,000
Sold for: NO SALE (again)
I've come down a couple notches on mine as well. $65,000.
Sold!!!
Posted over on the bird, as that is where the build thread exists.
Yes it started life as a 912, but it is much more than that now.
Here is the link to the car....
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...lone-sale.html
And here is the link to the build...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...beginning.html
PM me with questions. PPI required.
Speedo
Speedo
I envy your high mountain photos on the bird. My wife is from Boulder and I would trade it for Seattle in a jiffy!
Bring-a-Trailer Auction
1970 Porsche 911T Coupe - RSR Style
VIN: 91101220558
Engine: (930-derived, 3.5L)
Trans: (915 Type)
Color: Viper Green/Black
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: -
Sold for: NOT SOLD - "Withdrawn on 10/28/16"
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BaT Description:
This 1970 Porsche 911 Coupe began life as a 911T and has been converted into an RSR clone and prepped for street/event duty. The build was initiated around 2010 by the previous owner, who commissioned Kundensport of Oxnard, California to prepare the body and drivetrain. The seller acquired it in an unfinished state two years ago, and had the interior and mechanical sorting performed at various Southern California specialist shops. The car is powered by a 3.5L flat-six rated at 292 horsepower and mated to a 915 5-speed manual gearbox. The seller has driven it a few thousand miles since it was completed and reports that it handles crisply and feels well-sorted. An engine-out service performed in late 2015 included a compression test that showed 180 psi across all cylinders. The car is sold with a clean California title in the seller’s name.
The bare metal Viper Green repaint shows well in pictures with a deep glossy sheen throughout. A fiberglass hood and ducktail spoiler have been added, while the RSR-style fender flares are steel. One small touch-up on the passenger-side rear wheel arch is noted. Staggered-width 15×9 front and 15×11 rear Fuchs-style wheels are by Braid, and cover 930 brakes at all four corners. The tires are Michelin TB15 vintage-style competition tires made by Coker.
The interior has been redone with new carpet, simplified RSR reproduction door panels, and Perlon-covered RSR-style racing buckets with period-correct REPA four-point harnesses. The dash and other interior panels were refinished at Autobahn Interiors in San Diego, and lightweight materials have been selected throughout. A roll hoop completes the performance-oriented interior package. The odometer was reset during the build and true mileage is unknown. The 930-derived, normally aspirated 3.5L flat-six has been built and tuned with 46 IDA 3C Weber carburetors originally from a 911R, 911 S cams, later-style Carrera chain tensioners, and tubular headers. The seller reports that it has been rated at 292 horsepower and 255 pound feet of torque on the dyno. An engine-out service was performed by FAT Performance in Orange, California at the end of last year, and a compression test showed 180 psi across all cylinders. The gearbox is a 915 unit that is said to shift smoothly and have no synchro issues.
The gas tank has been changed to a center-fill location, and an RSR-style front brace has been added along with gusseted shock tower reinforcements. The underside looks tidy and free of any corrosion or evidence of leaking. The suspension has been substantially upgraded with Bilstein shocks in front and Boge items at the rear, adjustable Charlie Bar front and rear sway bars, Porsche 930 torsion bars, and modified aluminum rear trailing arms. Final tuning and suspension setup was performed by Mirage International in San Diego, California.
Overall, this build looks to be thoughtful and was executed by well-known Porsche specialists. This longhood RSR is an accurate tribute and should provide plenty of thrills at a fraction of the price of a real thing. There are two brief videos of running footage on BaT site.
That Viper Green RSR has an 11 digit serial number and a clear California title to match. Original serial number 91101220XX, now 91101220558. Might be possible to determine the original serial number if the production number under the knee pad is still present and can be linked back to the original serial number by Porsche or someone with original production records, albeit a long hot probably. An NICB or NCIC search of serial numbers 9110122000-9110122099 might reveal a car reported stolen in that serial number range but then that serial number must be connected to this car. Not likely.
Neat car but would be very disappointing to spend $70K + and learn all this after the sale. The fake serial number was disclosed in plain sight on the auction listing header so buyer beware?
Not sure if such an issue causes insurance problems. Would certainly be an issue for export or import to another country.
Interesting that the forger did not create a correct 10 digit serial number. Why would the serial number be made up? Stolen?
Appears the flaw just gets passed down the line from owner to owner.
Scroll down to the last two photos for the trunk and latch panel serial numbers.
Previous ad with fake serial number listed as well:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291379092540?rmvSB=true
Does anyone know if there is a way to link the production number under the dashboard knee pad to the original serial number? Do those records exist?
Definitely the correct decision to withdraw the car by the BaT guys. Probably several bidders didn't catch the problem with the VIN before they bid.
Yes, in the Porsche archives there are records that would match the Prod. # and VIN. I seriously doubt anyone with access would help with this though. I don't believe PCNA has Prod. # information in the records they have. This would be the info they use to produce the CoA documents.
Wow And I really liked this car.
Even if the owner is able to verify the VIN this car may be permanently damaged. When you have to explain the VIN people get nervous. The market shrinks biggly.
Richard Newton
VIN stamp area does not look kosher. Alu tag is a replacement stamped by... somebody. Red flags aplenty. Current owner may have been unaware of discrepancies until now. Will be bad if actual VIN is revealed to be a previously-stolen car. It's happened before...
The under hood stamp is about as hinky as they come. Heavy paint hiding something. Cut and paste + bondo?
A bore scope comes in handy for situations like this.
nice job Steve!
http://www.dmv.org/vehicle-history/vin-fraud.php
goodtogo may have a few words of wisdom since he's been here.
Free VIN check at NICB - National Insurance Crime Bureau for stolen vehicle
https://www.nicb.org/theft_and_fraud...ness/vincheck/
Steve,
I'm pretty sure the BaT car has a replacement VIN plate. The upper left hand 'box' has just '911'. The original plate, in the same location, would have 'Typ 911 T' and the next box would have 'C' for the series. The size of the VIN numbers on the original plates are smaller than the #s on the BaT car.
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I have the same question about the VIN plate. Here's mine.
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Also, notice the rivet heads. There's a story here.
There may be nothing wrong but the fact you have to explain the VIN tag sure doesn't help the value on this car.
Richard Newton
Garage Fires
What were they asking for this car? (the viper green "RS")
A nice RSR tribute car is up for sale on eBay now. http://www.ebay.com/itm/112185856906?rmvSB=true Asking price is $110K. I don't think you could build it for under $150K:
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The old rule for race cars and tribute cars was $0.50 on the dollar. If they spent $150,00 to build the car then $75,000 would be a fair price. Then again this market is tanking fast. Buyers now control the market.
Richard Newton
Sold on BAT. 1984 Porsche 911 RSR Recreation $220K
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/198...sr-recreation/
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...ml#post9364208
Goes to show, that well done outlaws can bring good prices.
That BaT car has caused me to totally rethink how I feel about clones. That may be the highest price I've ever seen for a clone.
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PCA Concours College
Well, that may be one of the highest quality builds that some of us have seen. A well documented build, and no corners cut. I've not seen the BaT car in person, but it makes me wonder what other well documented clones or tributes might bring. For example, I have seen Scott Longballa's '72 ST re-creation in person, and I'm pretty certain that would bring top dollar as well.
This recreation was built to a high enough quality . . . and apparently, it matched the buyer's aesthetics to a 'T'.
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After reading the build on Pelican and looking at the photos I came away wondering if anyone (bidding) was paying attention. :confused: I soon remembered that BAT has become a place for cheerleaders to scream and shout about how great a car is with less emphasis on details.
Details like the fact that the engine didn't get a full rebuild. That was brushed over with the comment that "it only had 47,000 miles" on it. How do you "Balance and Blueprint" an engine that isn’t completely dismantled? The answer: You cannot. The crank didn't get in on the party meaning the entire reciprocating mass isn't balanced. "Blueprinting" is an over-used hot rod term. Sounds cool but it meant little here.
The exhaust studs being are on the short side. Dented cooler line and the front cooler looked like it had seen better days. The setup had little in common with an RSR oil cooler setup. See the photos below for "how it's done". Chuck Moreland even sells a panel for the do-it-yourself builders.
Hood extensions are not what I'd want in a "period correct" build. It's cheaper to leave it in place than to move the latch panel and do it right. The sunroof fill is an easy way out too. Noted in the thread after the sale was the fact that the body was not stripped to bare metal. Corner cut. Using a M491 car as if there aren't enough donor cars out here represents another corner cut to save money. Fitting proper fenders properly isn't a an easy or inexpensive task.
Contact Aaron or Keith at Zuffenhaus to see how it's done. The Devil is in the details.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/8605147-post346.html
Everyone wants something a little different in their hot rod but that sales price blows me away. If I was going to build something on a M491 chassis it would be a SC/RS clone. But a big congrats to the seller and BAT, my guess is we'll see a few more RSR clones on BAT very soon.
Phil
Based on this sale and a couple recent AK cars in this price range, the market for well done and high end clones is well over the $0.50 per dollar spent ROI rule of thumb... But at this price range, will they be driven much?
Keep in mind that to call a car a clone it has to be perfect. That's the definition. What I hear being said here I that this may be more of a tribute car.
Clone: Cloning is a form of reproduction. Cloning is the process of making a genetically identical organism. The key word here is identical. If someone is going to clone a Brumos car then it has to be a perfect reproduction Not close - perfect.
Replica: This is a copy or reproduction of a work of art produced by the maker of the original or under his or her supervision. The key element here is that the replica must be made under the supervision of the original artist. In the case of a car the original artisans must be involved.
Tribute: Art can be a tribute to an event or a person. You might also create a car as a tribute. The most common tribute over the past few years is creating a car or a motorcycle in tribute to the twin towers that were destroyed on 9-11. Last year an art display was created as a tribute to the Orlando shooting victims. I could say that my 911 is a tribute to Ferry Porsche.
Richard Newotn
Indeed... I am the new owner of Scott Longballa's '72 ST recreation. It traded in the neighborhood of the BAT RSR clone. But still a situation where you don't get all of what you put into the car. It's reasonable to guess that Scott invested 30-50% more in the build than what it ultimately sold for. But I am happily the beneficiary of all of Scott's great work as well as that of craftsmanship of John Esposito, Jeff Gamroth, Harvey Weidman, Tony Garcia, et al.
OT... Italians. The Giulietta is a restoration project which I haven't made much progress on yet unfortunately. But the Giulia Sprint GT is great, restored with a GTA-style vibe (no bumpers, GTA wheels, GTA trumpets on Webers, no brake booster, etc). The Lancia is a very correct concours car.
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But back to the hot rod 911s...
You can build a ferrari from a bare rusted frame and it's not a clone, It's a Ferrari. Sometimes I think Porsche guys are too hard on themselves. :)
As long as the Ferrari serial number is intact you're good to go. I would think the same thing should be true a Porsche. A clone is a reproduction of a real car. It's not the real car.
"Clone: Cloning is a form of reproduction. Cloning is the process of making a genetically identical organism. The key word here is identical. If a car is called a clone then we have to assume that it’s identical to the original. That’s the basic definition of a clone. If the copy is not totally perfect then it’s not really a clone."
If the original VIN is in place then I would call it a restoration. You're returning the car to it's original condition. Even if very little is left of the original car.
Richard Newton
26 Years With a 911
I think most of us agree that you can never return a car to it's original condition. Many 'clones, re-creations, tributes, inspired by cars are more 'original' in that they maintain the body and features that the factory actually made in the day, even though some parts are modified to duplicate another factory built car in the day. Many of the collectible cars today are really re-creations of the originals, and claim their value from a VIN or production number on a panel, but often have less original content than many pedestrian cars driven by enthusiasts today. The market gives credence to this collectible car concept, but sometimes the degrading comments that accompany 'definitions' of modified cars don't give proper respect for how the market values modified (maybe more original) cars that are well done.
Generalizations are generally to be viewed with some skepticism.
Gib is so right, the only "original' cars, are unrestored.
Restored cars are nothing more than "re-creations", and so often contain fewer original parts than many "individually tailored" cars.
SOLD:
1973 911 Coupe "RS Hybrid Clone"
Viper Green over Black Leatherette
VIN 9113100611
$97,500
Located Allentown PA
Please call Fred (see below) for full detail on the build:
- Rust free chassis
- Steel RS flares
- JPC cage tied into suspension
- JRZ suspension and new springs
- Corner weighted
- Dyno engine 300 HP at rear wheel
- 2300 pounds
- 3.58 Liter Peter Dawe motor based on 993 case and 993 intake
- Bosch DME Motronic ECU
- 120 miles on new engine and re-gear of transmission to accommodate new motor
- 2 new oil coolers
- New oil lines
- Fresh 915, 5-speed, gear box with Limited Slip
- Transmission oil cooler and pump
- Lightweight Flywheel
- Functioning heater boxes with custom exhaust
- Brakes: 993TT with floating front rotors
- 23mm master cylinder
- Fresh rotors and pads
- 17” x 8” and 17” x 9” rims
- Seats: ST style custom made
- Schroth 6 pt. harnesses (black) expire 2021
- RS style lightweight carpet kit
- Momo prototype wheel
More than twice the asking price spent on the build which took over two years to complete.
Phone inquiries preferred but text and email will work. More photos available.
Fred Brubaker
484-695-2949
BrubakerRS@rcn.com
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Currently on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Porsche...m=142196207659
Photos don't do it justice. Top quality work by John Esposito with custom flares. Sadly only a stock SC motor.
No mention whatsoever of suspension.
Green car above it is not a backdate, much better value.
$70,911. I think everyone did well on this BaT sale.
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Historical Fictions.
A lot of restored cars are really fictional. They're like Williamsburg VA. Williamsburg is a wonderful place to visit. it's just not much like the original town. Williamsburg is a fictional representation of colonial life.
We have a lot of Porsches now that are far nicer than anything that came form Germany. They're a fictionalized version of what a real Porsche was like.
People are restoring cars to they way they wish Porsche had built them - not to the way Porsche actually built them.
Richard Newton
Bring-a-Trailer Auction
1973 Porsche 911T Coupe, Lot #3044
VIN: 9113103235
Engine: Rebuilt 3.2 Liter Flat-Six
Trans: G50 5-Speed Manual Transmission
Color: Grand Prix White/Black
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: -
Sold for: US$66,500 (on 1/20/17)
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Auction Description:
This 1973 Porsche 911T was acquired by the seller 13 years ago and built into a Carrera RS tribute over a four year period from 2008-2012. Exterior work included adding fender flares and a ducktail before a repaint was performed. The interior has been modified with vintage-style bucket seats, rear seat and radio delete, RS-style door panels, 4-point roll bar, and a Momo Prototipo steering wheel. The car is powered by a 3.2 liter flat-six and G50 5-speed manual transmission from a 1988 911, which also donated its suspension and brakes. This example is described as fully-sorted and benefits from a recent engine rebuild. It is sold with a clean California title in the seller’s name.
The car was purchased by the seller in the early 2000s as an incomplete shell that had been off the street from some time. Originally finished in Light Ivory, the car was repainted Grand Prix White after factory steel flares and a fiberglass ducktail were fitted. An RS-style front air-dam, exterior graphics, and a set of 911R-style taillights round out the exterior modifications. The paint shows well, exhibiting a uniform gloss and shine when viewed from multiple angles. Minor imperfections in the paint include small rock chips noticeable on close inspection. Panel gaps appear uniform and the exterior trim, vents, and yellow-tinted headlight lenses show well. Fuchs alloys are painted to match the accent graphics and measure 15×7″ in the front and 15×8″ out back. They are in nice condition overall with some curb rash and are fitted with newer Falken tires.
The interior has been modified with RS-style door panels, rear seat delete, 4-point roll bar, radio delete, and a Momo Prototipo steering wheel. A pair of vintage-style sport seats were produced by GT Motorsports and are slightly wider than the original design for added comfort. Houndstooth-covered seat inserts remain in good shape, free of any noticeable rips or staining. Though the dash exhibits some waviness along the front, it remains free of splits and houses instruments taken from the 1988 911. The clock does not work and the wipers only work on one speed. The 80k indicated miles are not believed to be accurate. The perforated vinyl headliner retains proper fit and shows well, with no noticeable signs of staining or imperfection.
The front trunk compartment appears tidy, with clean metal surfacing and the factory spare in place. Originally powered by a 2.4 liter motor, the seller fitted a 3.2 liter flat-six from a 1988 911 along with its 5-speed G50 manual transmission. The engine has been cosmetically modified with painted intake runners and a few ST-style amber fiberglass pieces from GT Motorsports. Rebuilt less than 2,000 miles ago, it said by the seller to be sorted with up-to-date servicing and a welcome performance upgrade over the original powerplant. Other mechanical components transferred from the 1988 Carrera include the forward external oil cooler, suspension, and brakes. The underbody appears to show no signs of leaking or rust beyond light surface corrosion. The exhaust includes a custom sport muffler in an early 1970s style that is said to provide great sounds. The cap on the far left side is removable and all three outlets are functional.
This is more of a Tribute car than a Clone. A Clone is an exact duplicate.
A Tribute car is meant to honor a person place of thing. This car is really paying homage to the '73 2.7 RS. In that sense it doesn't have to be an exact duplicate.
On the other hand Hot Rod is a nice description as well. :)
Richard Newton
Sold at BJ - $60,000
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formerly at
http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-d...wa-id-13548709
Lot #831 - This backdate Porsche is a '78 non-sunroof coupe that has been transformed to re-create the world-famous 1973 2.7 RS. Powered by correct, rebuilt 3.0-liter 6-cylinder engine (Serial #6290921) and shifted via its 5-speed manual gearbox. Finished in Viper Green over black interior, this features 1973 OEM early metal fenders, early window frames, pop-out quarter windows and fiberglass hood, ducktail and bumpers. It's equipped with 930 brake system with Rennsport Systems 2-piece front rotors, M&K sport muffler and Webb Machine stainless airbox with pop-off valve. It features Boge front struts with Bilstein inserts and Bilstein rear shocks. It rides on 7" front and 9.5" rear Fuchs wheels that have been media blasted, painted, clear-coated and wrapped in Toyo R888 tires. Interior features include ventless leather dash, lower dash accessory delete, '73 glove box door, 930 150mph speedometer, RS carpet and panels, RS-style seats with sliders, short shifter with fresh bushings/seals, MOMO steering wheel with Porsche horn button and Vosstek pedals. Exterior features include '73 mirrors, handles and hood straps.
Technically, this post and the previous two probably should be posted under "For Sale/Wanted: Other Porsche Cars and Parts" since it is a newer impact bumper model.
1978 L Series 911SC US VIN 9118201334
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In my best judge voice, "I'll allow it"... :)
There is one former owner who is just totally upside down. The new owner bought right.
Richard Newton
Project 911
It's always better to buy one that's done. Preaching to the choir, I am.
911E green fan shroud and '911E' engine lid I.D.
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1972 Porsche 2.4L MFI 911T Coupe (Race Car)
VIN: 9112102024
Engine: -
Trans: -
Color: White
Mileage: 88,276
BIN Price: US$72,000
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Seller's Description:
For sale is a 1972 Porsche 911 currently in use in SCCA MARRS ITS class. Raced, owned, and maintained by a veteran 30 year Porsche racer and Porsche engine builder, the car is mechanically immaculate. The body is also in excellent condition, as the owner is and always has been an incredibly precise, successful, and clean racer. Buy it today and race it this weekend. This 1972 911 can also go to the vintage circuit where it would do great. In addition, it is a 1972 911 longhood which has it's own value chart on the rise most every day, in which this car could be returned to a stock period correct 1972 Porsche 911. The motor is a 2.4 MFI, rebuilt in 2014 with Mahle P&C's. The MFI has a modified space cam for the desirable fuel ratio of 12.8 to 1. The 915 gearbox was professionally rebuilt as well in 2015 by Eric Wills, one of the top early Porsche box rebuilders East of the Mississippi. The newly rebuilt motor and transmission have 4 hours of run time on them.
The body is rust free, solid everywhere. A new front pan was installed and cut years back to allow for the proper placement of the fuel cell. All glass is original and in the car, doors as well. There is not any fiberglass or filler on this car, and for the most part it has very good gaps and lines.
A COA and a clear title will be included in the sale of the 1972 911, along with the original log book, with an inspection stamp as recent as 4/15/2016. Also included in the sale are a factory set of L and R front fenders in excellent condition, a factory set of doors in excellent condition, bumperettes, and a front fiberglass bumper, all in white. These were spares for the car that were never used. The Hoosiers (R7's) on the car have 4 hours of run time on them (225/45/15), and two additional sets of wheels and tires are included (Toyo RA1 205/50/15. Hoosier R7's). All tires are on Porsche cookie cutters.
The cool suit system in the 911 does not convey in the sale, it is being transferred to another race car. Please feel free to call me daytimes EST between 0800 and 2100 hours if you have questions at 301.648.5510. The car is available to be shown by appointment only. I am willing to negotiate a sale that is beneficial to both parties, and am always open to having a conversation. There are no warranties expressed nor implied in the sale of this 1972 Porsche 911, and I have the car listed on other sites as well, which could end the listing should a deposit be received. A deposit is required within 48 hours, with full payment due within ten days of deposit receipt.
A very nicely built, highly detailed narrow bodied 1971 911 ST tribute is for sale at Autokennel in Southern California.
http://autokennel.com/1971-porsche-911-st-coupe/
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I really like the race car. It's an honest car with an honest price. It's not perfect but that's not relevant. It's a good car at a fair price.
The Tribute is over the top on price. Tribute cars seem to be going for around $60,000 to $70,000 on BaT. Since this is a tribute car, and not a true clone, I would put it at $60,000.
The market appears to be strengthening based on what if happening in Scottsdale. We'll see.
Richard Newton
Garage Fires
Richard Newton
The build thread:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...htweight-Build
That is a helluva car. Must be a sweet drive.
Re: the 1971 ST @ AK
Wow - that is a nice build! wonder what the price is - ?
Sold for $175k according to Paul at AK
Well bought
A 1972 911S coupe converted to a tribute S/T car, is on auction on Bring a Trailer.
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/197...st-recreation/
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VIN: 9112300056
Engine: Twin-Plug 3.0 Liter Flat-Six (Original: 6320074 (911/53)
Trans: 7321355 (915/02)
Color: Tangerine/Black
Mileage: -
Auction Estimate: -
Sold for: US$200,000 (+BaT fees on 2/1/17)
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As for the Light Ivory 71' ST : What a gorgeous car ! , big tip of the hat to all involved in it's creation . Those here who have been through a build like that know the time,money & patience that level of work represents. Well bought ?... Absolutely!!
Congratulations to new owner !
TB
Not mine - as seen on pelican. looks nice:
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1970 RS Outlaw FOR SALE
I am about to my 1970 911T RS tribute/Outlaw up for sale on Ebay.
I wanted to post it here to give it an opportunity to go to a true enthusiast before going out to the masses. Below is a quick list of the build specs and photos. More info available upon request.
1970 Porsche 911T hot rod RS tribute Built By Rs-Werks in Newark, DE
Glass out restoration to bare metal with repaint
Steel RS fender flares.
Fiberglass ducktail and RS front bumper
RS carpet kit and door panels
Carrera suspension and brakes.
Stomski Mono ball bushings in rear trailing arms
All new bushings
Turbo tire rod ends
All new shocks and struts
Turbo torsion bars
Bolt in roll cage
Stomski shift coupler
Fuchs wheels 15x7 front and 15x8 rear with new Pirelli P-zero tires
Fresh Rebuilt 915 transmission with LSD
3.2L 1987 Carrera engine with roughly 40k miles
H4 headlights
Leman seats with 4 point crow harness
Rennline floor boards and blower motor cover
Momo prototipo steering wheel
New wiring harness
Radio delete
asking 67K
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...tlaw-sale.html
Wow - Can we say upside down?
Richard Newton
Porsche Concours College
Or correctly priced. The idea of a price is either to flatter one's ego, or sell a car.
Porsche 1973 911 RSR clone
Uncompleted project , ready to be finished by a new owner
spec
911T 1973 lwb body LHD ex usa
Genuine 1973 2.4 S MFI engine with euro headers and RSR muffler - Running
5 speed manual box ,
911S brakes ,
Adjustable period sway bars
Geniune1973 RS fuel tank
Genuine RSR brake reservoirs NOS
Genuine untouched Period 1973 Recaro deep bucket race seats on RSR lwt seat brackets
Period RSR roll cage
Genuine repa race harness 1973 (rebuilt), Period harness mounts
RS carpet installed
RSR steering wheel
RSR tac and speedo gauges
Period 9 and 11 inch fuchs with new Michelin TB15 tyres
Period RSR strut brace (weld in )
New FG RSR bumpers
New indicator housings and lenses
ETC...etc...etc... to much to list
needs the bumpers and rear panel painted , wheel studs replaced minor extras and its ready to go .
currently in new zealand
$75k usd ex nz
1972 911S coupe converted to a tribute S/T car sold for $200K on BAT. Looks to be well bought.
I was a little surprised on that one. I'm not sure if it's a tribute car or what.
There appears to be some undocumented race history in the background. Then it has an FIA Passport. The HTP was introduced in 2004. It describes in words and pictures the physical specifications and dimensions of a given car for the purpose of international historic motor sport events that are run under the auspices of Appendix K.
That sort of take this car out of the tribute category. A tribute is built to honor a. person, event or object.
Back to the FIA. The FIA HTP is a huge deal with Europeans. That would easily explain the price.
As I say this was an interesting sale.
Richard Newton
I'm more than a bit flummoxed by how the ST "Replica" sold on Bring a Trailer could have an FIA HTP passport? Did Porsche ever make an ST with a 3.0 liter twin plug engine? I'm pretty sure not. with all the folderol attendant to obtaining an FIA HTP, you would think that would be the first question that the inspector would ask? Or am I missing something here? Was there some "greasing of palms" or some such action?
A 3.5 liter engine wasn't part of the program when this car was new.
hmmmmmm - How did I miss that. :eek:
It may be an old HTP? The car may have been issued an HTP in the past and it's now modified far beyond what was legal in-period.
You just opened a really interesting question.
Richard Newton
FIA HTP
The car didn't turn up yesterday. It's been around.
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...=Bill+Noon+911
Mmm. I smell a rat...!
1972 911 ST s/n 911 230 0056 and the BaT car are the same one?
Richard Newton
yes, the BAT car is claimed to be 911 230 0056
but now it has a twin plug 3 liter engine while still having the FIA HTP.
The FIA has better things to do than run around checking on cars that they gave an HTP to decades ago.
This is simply a case where the buyer has to take some responsibility.
Richard Newton
Nut and Bolt Technology
This one is going to be interesting.
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It was built in tribute to the original Queen Mary 911. It's not even close to being a clone and it's not street legal. Bids are really slow so far. We'll see.
Richard Newton
Richard, I agree that the 3 liter twin plug "ST" is a case of buyer beware and also agree that the FIA has better things to do than run around chasing fraudulent HTPs.......let's see, they can F***up F1 racing, for instance........but I was merely amazed at the price paid for that car. "Well sold!!" indeed but Buyer Beware also!
We all underestimate the number of fakes running around in the market.
The FIA had to drop the FIA Heritage Certificate because at least half the cars that had the certificate were fakes.
Years ago I worked with Thomas Hoving and he estimated that at least 40% of the art he was asked to appraise was fake. The art world has a long history of dealing with fakes. They get it.
We're still too trusting. As the prices climb though that will change.
Richard Newton
This car and at least two others with "sketchy" histories originally came from the same place. The search engine here works for stuff that hasn't been beneficially omitted. (deleted)
Thomas Hoving - wow. I read his first book. Fascinating guy/situation. Lots of documentaries on painters who can "do" most any artist.
Provenance is getting tougher to validate as our cars get older and the previous owners pass away. We also have the stories of race cars "re-tubbed" after a major shunt back when it was "just" a race car... About 15 years ago, I heard about a burned RS shell supposedly for sale in South America - with the seller assuming the VIN stampings would be 'harvested' and reapplied. Recently, I was told a friend of a friend had "all the correct number stamps" for a chassis... 2 years ago, a top-tier dealer sold an RS with a clearly restamped case (undisclosed).
I have to agree, the fakes are bubbling up at an increasing rate, even if the prices aren't rising as aggressively as before.