You can find it here.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...tor-912-a.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWMnx1yxvc
All the best, Chris
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You can find it here.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...tor-912-a.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWMnx1yxvc
All the best, Chris
Here are the photos from his page. Polopolos motors are way cool.
At the request of the poster,
drool. . .
912s have a chance again ?!
What a awesom concept. Make me want to buy one just for sake of owning it and that is all.
If you haven't taken the time to watch the utube video at the top of the thread I highly encourage you to do so.
Also check out the 912 Renegades forum at the 912 Regristry.
Are you going to bring it to Rennsport?
I sure hope to. We'll see if I can get it done in time.
Wowzer it is an impressive motor, but is that what it costs! Can buy you buy it in kit form though? Does that make a saving?Quote:
Originally Posted by sithot
As I understand, Dean sells the custom case, custom crankshaft, custom cams, and a few other parts like fan shround and distributor gear. You then need to source everything else from a 911. You then mill down the cam carriers and plug some oil galleries, mill the valve covers, then take apart the oil pump and mill it down. Then you need ignition and fuel injection- the EFI ITBs are cool and high performance. Then you get to put it all together, but not just like rebuilding a 911 engine. You are making this engine work for the first time like an outright constructor.
You can also buy complete running engines (for quite a bit more I imagine) from guys like Craig Smith in Morro Bay.
approx 13K? as a kitQuote:
Originally Posted by LGK6D
Impressive tech with modern injection, good old Webbers are what I went with... looking forward to seeing your finished ride, Chris! :D
Yes, basic kits start at about $10K, but with the required machine work and induction figure $15-18,000.
Dean's backlog is something like two years if you have him build it, so be patient.
I believe the wait is worth it. We hope to have one at RRIV if anyone wants to see it in the metal. (it's for my 356)
Here is video of a Pre A 356 with a POLO engine.
http://www.youtube.com/user/poorshanutt?blend=2&ob=5
It does sound awesome and obviously has plenty of power. I'm not 100% sure, but doesn't an early 911 engine weigh about 140kgs? What does one of these engines weigh?
Not sure yet. We weighed the stock car. 2087 lbs. I don't have the exact corner numbers with me at the moment. Front corners are in the 400's, rears in the 500's. We will weigh the car again with the new engine and account for parts taken off or added.
http://www.912bbs.org/index.php?a=thread&p=258606
Here are some updated pictures.
Where did you get the patch to sew into the seat backs?
Better put the engine carrier the other way round.
Chris
Quote:
Originally Posted by superelfje
Why? Its going in a 'twelve.
The patches are from Porsche. There are 2 numbers on the sku tag. MAP10400208 and WSR8090102S710
Why put this engine in a 912. Because. Also it's a 4 not a 6. It hasn't been done it before. 30 plus people have already put one in a 356. It weighs about 100 lbs less and has about 6 inches less engine overhang than a 911. If I wanted a 6, I would have bought a 911 for a lot less. 911's are awesome cars. But I wanted to do something different. People have asked me my whole life why I do what I do. I have never felt the need to fit in. I have always asked why didn't someone do this before, in just about everything I've ever done. This car makes perfect sence to me. It will probally weigh around 2150 lbs up from 2078. It should make 2.4 E or S hp and torque with new car smoothness with full engine management. Be lighter in the butt end, and handle very nice. And at least for a short period of time, it will be the only one in the world.
Play these utubes. Close you eyes and listen. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 911's have a wonderful sound. But for me the POLO engines sound is worth the price of admission.
http://www.youtube.com/user/poorshanutt?blend=2&ob=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWMnx1yxvc
These are from elephant racing.
Uh, I was asking why did the previous poster say you need to turn the engine mount bar around. :) I think he thought about the 911's engine bay motor mounts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by superelfje
Chris- Remember that it's going in a 912. The motor mounts
are forward of the 911 location.
Looks great thanks for sharing.
I have a friend who has a Polo motor in his highly modified 356 Speedster....It is in a word...incredible...2.4L 4 cyl. 48 IDA webers...the intake sound is almost as loud as the exhaust...and together the soundi will make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.
Sorry for the long explaination. I didn't see the previous statement and you already know why as you know Craig Smith and his son.
But for some that might wonder why. Now they know. There are many ways to put these cars together and I enjoy reading about what others do. Each persons idea for their Porsche is just as valid. I tip my cap to all who have Porsche on the brain.
Hurry up Chris. RRIV is coming fast!
Sorry that was a rather stupid remark of me. I was thinking about the 911 mounts but the 912 mounts are already placed forward. I didn´t say anything then.
Chris (looking sheepish)
Personally, I think it makes MORE sense to put the Polo in a 912.....Bravo!
Hope to see it in the metal at RR.
See-ya
Dave
There is a very good chance the car will make Rennsport. My ticket is for the Blue 3 parking lot.
I agree, a 912 or 914 is perfect for one of these. Killer job... hope you do make RR, will look for you.
Spoke with Dean a couple of days ago, he'll deliver mine while we're there.
Wowzer, those combo gauges are amazing. Is that cylinder head temp on there too? Guessing they're a custom from Palo Alto or similar?
North Hollywood. I'm sure Palo Alto does fine work also. North Hollywood is easier for me to get to. Yup, head temp.
Hope to have it on the road tomorrow. Rennsport not in the cards.
Still a couple of days to work out kinks, Chris... hope it makes it, but you're coming regardless, yes?
Looking great, how did you make the 912P?
I hope you can make it as well. Looking good Chris.
Thanks for all the support. I wish I'd had 1 more week. I've got about 75 miles on it now. It has a couple teething issues that are being worked out. Too rich ecu programing. Like 8 to 10 mpg, too rich. This is not a 427 big block as far as I can tell. Richard is sending me a update next week. We forgot to take out the 914 speedo gear in the transmission. We replaced it today. Still not quite done seating the brakes. We replaced the rubber and chrome bumperettes on the rear to all chrome. I will do the fronts tomorrow morning before driving to High Plains Raceway. The rear torsen bars need to be reset. I think it's 3/4 to one inch too low. Some think it's fine. It needs a piece of rear tin added to the back of the 911 tin. I have a hole about 6 inches long front to rear and the width od the engine to fill. The drivers seatback adjuster slips sometimes. It needs to come apart. We did the passenger seat. It had 40 year old grease in the teeth that was hard as a rock. This one probally has the same issue. It needs a good professional buff to give the paint some new life. The rear deck was done before adding the badges and grill. I want the rest of the car to look like the deck lid. This winter it will get heat exchangers welded to the headers as they seem to be the right size. None of this is big stuff. It will get done in due time. So I look forward to meeting many of you next spring, summer and fall.
PS- The 912P badge. There is a fellow in California that makes or did make 912S and 912R badges. I think I searched on the Pelican site and found him. I took one of his 912R badges and made the R into a P.
I put a few pictures in a album to update a bit. More to come down the road.
Going to be putting a Polo 2.55 in the 356 that I just bought, OUTLAW!
COOL! I hope to make it to Dana Point 7-15. I gotta figure out how I'm going to get my car from Denver to SoCal. We'll see.
Seats are in. Engine tin next week?
Suspension bushings and ECU tune next.
Damn - I love the tartan on the seats! This car may be one of my faves.
My goal was to have more of a bucket type seat and still look mostly stock, except for the headrest hardware. More support than stock but not as much as a full sport seat. I also wanted the seats to recline so the passenger could get some sleep if we where on a roadtrip. I might still have a fixed drivers sport seat made up for local sprints in the mountains here in the Denver area. I bought enough plaid to do a 3rd and maybe a 4th seat.
This is at 5900 feet at the REAR wheels. Non adjusted and adjusted for sea level.. The numbers at the crank would be higher. Richard Clewett and the local dyno guys said maybe another 15% at the crank.
147.98 x 1.15 = 170.18 Here
180.85 x 1.15 = 207.98 at the crank at sea level. In a 2100 lb 1967 car, not bad.
It handles like a 912 and goes like a 911.
Wth 50mm throttle bodies and 1 3/4 inch headers and a stock SS exhaust Richard Clewett thought the stock exhaust was the restricting point. He said with a good sport exhaust there might be another 10 to 15 hp to be had. So 215 to 220 hp might be possible. For now I'm calling it good.
Friggin crazy awesome :)
Great progress Chris... love the interior, but the best part is out back! You're way ahead of me, I still haven't taken it off the cradle.
This is the 2.2 intended for my 356S Notchback. Hope to make a gearbox decision and do the swap before Summer is over.
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Beautiful! Tell me about those valve covers please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
Greg Bates makes them, Dean can hook you up. Kinda surprised he doesn't deliver the engine with 'em installed, they really finish it off.
BTW, the power yours makes is impressive considering where you're located!
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Do you have a way to contact Greg? Email or phone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
I drove about 100 miles today mostly in the Peak To Peak HWY area. The Mountains were very GREEN the sky was very BLUE and the car is very BAHAMA YELLOW. The car ran great. I couldn't get more than 195 degrees in the oil, so it is running nice and cool. I hope this will be my version of Ground Hog Day. May it happen often!
I have to chime in to say how much I love this car. Fantastic in every way.
A few pictures from the 6-14 car show.
I just got a email from PCA. They posted a picture of the 912P on their facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/PCA912Register
I have been trying very hard to get the 912P (POLO) car ready for the SLC Parade. A couple things needed attention. Things like suspension bushings from Elephant, replacing my loop cooler with a Carrera cooler from Elephant, a gas tank loaner till my new one arrives and gets the inside sealed and the outside a proper finish, and droping the engine and trans for 3 transmission seals. Then Vintage will do their best to give some life to my Vintage Bahama Yellow paint. Then it's off for a alignment some test miles and a trip to SLC.
Buy the way, if you are into SWB 911's and cool Alfa's and you are in the area, (Colorado) give Dave a call. For me this is SWB Heaven. 303-459-4626
If not for Dave and his crew this just wouldn't get done. Thanks to you all.
Chris Pomares
Your car looks great, Chris! See you in SLC.
Here is my prototype set of seat hinges. Probally overkill. I might produce a set in aluminum as these are almost too stout. I'll show them on my car at the SLC Parade
Oil temp 200, oil pressure 65lbs, RPM 3600, speed 90 mph, distance to 1 of the fillups 215 miles, gas used 6.45 gallons. There was about a 10 mph tail wind. The car ran like that for about 375 of the 525 miles we covered today up on I80 in Wyoming. I made the trip with a Boxster and a Cayman. I would say both to be no older than 2009's and I didn't slow them down. I think the POLO engine could run 100-110 all day long easy. At 90 everything just kinda all came together. Sweet. In the last 8 days the car got a Carrera cooler, new Elephant front a arm, trailing arm and spring plate bushings. 4 new Konis set in the middle settings,(the new ones only have 4 half turns not 5), and 19/24 SC torsion bars replacing the stock 18/23's. I was a little worried it might be a little stiff. As I took out the old rock hard rubber bushings and but in nice new rubber there was no penalty in ride. Tomorrow the car gets showed in the non judged area. Wish me luck.
All the best, Chris Pomares
Thank you to Dave, Alan, Jim, Ken ,Derek, Quincy, Tony at Vintage Car Works. This trip would not have happened without you.
It looks like there will be another 912 article in Excellence in the near future.
Here is a full set of seat hinges I'm working on. I've added a 3rd hole on the upper to give finer adjustments. The lazer cut pieces come with edges that are a little rough. I talked to a couple people and they say you get about the same results with water jeting. Has anyone heard something different? The only power tools I have are a drill and a dremel tool. I had to borrow a drill press to countersink the holes. The steel ones currently on my drivers seat don't have countersunk holes. I have 5 or 6 hours of hand labor so far (mostly smoothing out the edges) and I think I'll have about 10 to15 hours in them when I'm done. I'm going to have the head shaved on the bolts to give them a flatter look.
I can have these cut in either Aluminum or Steel. Someone could drill a bunch of holes to give them a racer look? The steel ones could be chromed to give them a more orginal look. This has been a fun project. It would be interesting to see how many ways people would finish these off. These should fit cars to 1973. The center hole on the upper would need to be left out on the later cars. They should fit the later 356's also.
Chris
My car is with Dean in California. He and Richard Clewett are spending some time with the car. I wanted Dean who built the engine to get some seat time in the car. He has had a lot of experence with the 356/POLO setup but none with the 912/POLO. I figured it would help him and me if he spent time with the car. He just built a 66mm short stroke 2.5 for a 911 and drove it. He felt the 2.4 POLO pulled as hard if not a little harder than the 2.5. As he and I have a bias for this engine, lets just say they are very close.
If I can I'll bring the car by European Collectables on 9/25 for a couple hours on my way up to Cambria,Ca.
Album updated with current specs and a new picture or two.
I spoke to Dean Polopolus and Richard Clewett yesterday. They spent the afternoon together playing with and tuning tne 912P car. They seemed to be very pleased with the results. I asked them what the car might need. They said bigger brakes!
I'm looking forward to getting behind the wheel again at the end of September.
HA! Nothing wrong with that answer!Quote:
Originally Posted by cmpski
Round and flat hardware. They weigh 2lbs each or 4lbs per seat in aluminum with all hardware. My factory hinges with crossbar weigh 7 1/2lbs.
I was told you add about 15% for #'s at the crank.
I chart was for 5900 feet. The other is their sea level adjusted #'s.
Richard Clewett was there tuning the car.
this job is excellent.
really excellent.
bravo!
I have the beginnings of a website up. Some parts are not functional yet, but it's a start.
Chris
www.PompoloDesign.com
Cars and Coffee in Montectio
I will try to attend this Cars and Coffee on Sunday the 30th if you are in the area. I was given these directions by someone who lives in the area.
A week from Sunday, 30th, the last Sunday of the month, Coffee and Cars is in Upper Montectio, a small shopping area between San Ysidro Rd. and Santa Angela Ln., exit San Ysidro head north, inland, past E. Valley Rd. Shopping center will be on your left.
Chris
I installed the aluminum seat hinges today They are 7 pounds lighter for the pair then factory.
More pictures posted at, www.reSeeWorks.com
Chris, it was great to spend time with you at the 912 Registry Cambria event, it was fun! And... thank you for stopping by our shop today, it gave me a chance to spend more time looking at the recliners that you made for your '67; I think they are great and it will be a good way to fix that bothersome problem of recliner malfunction. I am very interested in adding them to our line of products.
looking forward to seeing you again soon
Agustin Vidaurri
Autos International
760 737 3565
Chris it was great to see your car in Excellence. Of course the one crucial part of the print medium is not being able to hear how bad-ass that mother sounds!
Now for sale on eBay for $165,000.00:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...7#ht_500wt_948
GLWS, and please keep us informed.
-M
I already have two people sending me messages for more info and saying they want the car. Are they the real deal? I don't know. We'll know in 9 days.
For some 1 of 1 and always the first has appeal. If they are a collector and don't want to prang their million dollar cars but want a great early car experience, this is their car. And for them at this price it's very inexpensive. They can go to www.PompoloDesign.com and see where the money went. I was looking at a Carrera Speedster at European Collectable Monday. The owner got a offer for 1.4 million and turned it down. Some folks have the money, the collections and want things that are different than what their buddy has. Well you can say what you want, this is different and loads of fun.
Dean has built every kind of air cooled Porsche engine you can think of. He built a 906 engine and had to wear gloves so the oil on his hands wouldn't stain some finished parts. He just finished a 2.5 6. He drove that car and mine. He said my car is stronger low and mid and it's equal up top. Minus 100 pounds in the rear thats gotta help.
Marc Lunde
marc.lunde@na.ugllimited.com
My son and I recently had the pleasure of riding in Chris' 912P. What a ride it was!! The lightweight chassis was complemented beautifully by the powerful, high revving polo four cylinder. The power to weight ratio far exceeded my 3.2 Carrera and was much quicker handling and accelerating. It is too bad Porsche did not choose to pursue this natural evolution of the dual-overhead cam motors, instead offering the dated 356 motor in the 912. The polo motor is superior in every way. And it looks cool, too!
Sure wish these motors were mass-produced so I could find one for my '68 912.
New pictures and info on www.PompoloDesign.com
These will be polished and chromed.
Happy New Year!
This would have been my 1974 or 75 Christmas card picture. Living in Aspen at the time with my 59 Super. The picture was probably taken before or after time at the track. I hardly ever saw anyone on the track when I was there.
I pray your 2013 is your best year yet. Chris Pomares
Chris, is that the Aspen track you speak of?
Haasman
Yes. In the 70's you could go there after work and most evenings the track was empty. With the long days of summer there was plenty of time to get there after work as everything was so close. A two bedroom apartment was $250.00 a month in town. I could drive my Porsche in the summer and ski in the winter. Life was very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haasman
I know the track well. In the summers of 72 & 73 we used to go up there from Denver. I'd have Grady Clay ride along and critique my style. Learned a lot in a very short amount of time.
Haasman
I was there. I just didn't have the car yet. I was driving a 67 VW bus. The bottom part was green close to the Porsche color. The upper part was a cream white. They made a nice pair. By the way, Grady did a valve job on that car. He also gave me the idea of calling the 912 POLO car a 912P. He came to a open house at RaceKraft&Design for a PCA event. My car was on the rack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haasman
I'm in Arvada. The mountains are about 8 miles west then up. It's about 20 miles to Boulder off to the right and 15 miles to Golden out of the picture to the left. Vail is 100 miles and Aspen 200 miles on I70. My car is driven either in the Colorado mountains or along PCH north and the coastal hills north and east of Carpinteria, Ca. toward Monterey.
Dean will be sending my engine mount back in about a week. We are going to make a jig for it here in Colorado. After the Excellence article interest has perked up. We will be sending a engine mount and POLO engine to Hong Kong. Doug will be building one in Kansas City. And a 912E is being completed in Europe. That will be 4 so far. This is getting to be great fun.
I hope to have the car at the Phoenix swap in March in LA and the Dana Point 356 event in July. If I have the time we will fabricate custom heat exchanges for the headers between the 2 events.
2013 is looking up.
www.PompoloDesign.com
The pins can go out to in or in to out.For more pictures go to www.PompoloDesign.com
Chris
Just recieved from the chromer. The 2 bottom pictures. For more pictures of this and another model go to www.PompoloDesign.com
The pins can go out to in or in to out.
I'm going to put these on my car with black upper bolts. If someone just takes a quick look it will look like the holes are the same all the way up. By the way this is a 2 bolt upper seat I borrowed for about 30 minutes. I cut that black bolt and just stuck the head in the middle hole. I'll run the pins in to out so it won't be very evident where the seat angle adjuster is. This set is 1/4 inch steel. They weigh 8 pounds per seat, stock is 7. My aluminum ones are a little thicker and 4 pounds per seat. I'm willing to add a little weight as I wanted chrome. I'll make it up by putting a M&K muffler on my car this summer. It's 15 to 20 pounds lighter out back than my stock SS muffler.
Chris
These will go on a 64C car.
Chris
From the 912 Registry
Bob,
I like your attitude.
Unlike you I would sell mine, and build another one. Working on them is more fun than driving them. That's why it will never be totally done. This car has over 6 figures in it and that's not including my time. I value my time and ability. There are over 2000 hours of research, looking for parts, work on the car, and other things to come. Like modifying a set of B&B heat exchangers for a 6 to work on a 4. Or have them build a set. Or making a set of Pompolo seat recliners out of titanium. Or putting a set of Greg Bates valve covers on the engine. Or putting a carrera front suspension on it with boxster calipers all around. Or changing from a 24 to a 25mm rear torsion bars. There are 2 more complete sets of custom wheels in the works. See anyone paying me 911RS money? It looks like it's permanently mine. Oh, whoa is me.
Chris
Just watched a show on Velocity about the guy in SoCal who built the first hot rod. It took him 10 years of fiddiling with that car before he was totally satisfied with it. I can relate to a guy like that. Ford built a great car with the first V8. This guy wanted to personalize his.
Porsche built a great car in the 901 and 902. I wanted to personalize mine. There are 3 more in the works after they read about this car. One each in Europe, Hong Kong, and the USA
Here is a email I received today. If you can shoot professional quality pictures and are going to either of these car shows you might want to contact Hakse. I'm going to create a spot on the Pompolo Design site for pictures shot buy other people of the car with there names and a link to their web or blog sites.
I hope to see a bunch of you at these events.
All the best, Chris
hstraatsma@hetnet.nl
Hello Mr. Chris Pomares ,
I am Hakse Straatsma from the Netherlands, just working on an article for the magazine of the official Porsche Dutch Classic Porsche 911 & 912 club (only for owners of Porsche 911 and 912 build before 1974). It is an article about the never produced Porsche 4 cylinder 911 type motor.
It is not possible to write this article without writing about the Polo 4 motor of Dean Polopolus. I would like to publish this article with some pictures (with your allowance) of the first 912 with this motor. Is it possible to send me by mail some pictures of your Polo 2.4 motor en your 912P in high definition? I need for the printing in the glossy magazine high definition pictures.
I hope you can help me.
Regards
Hakse Straatsma
Here is where the car will be shown in May and June.
The car will be shown at these 3 events.
http://zone8.pca.org/events/2013/05M...s_5-19-13b.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxFYhNTWCAE 6-1-13
http://www.cpco.org/concours/index.htm
I just fine tuned the ecu a little more. I tuned out the slight hesitation when the throttle bodies are opened. It runs even better. I took a couple 356 guys for a ride. They both mentioned how smooth it ran. That would probably be the 5 main bearing block. The adventure continues.
912 rain shield and oil temps
It's been 85 to 95 degrees and 10 to 20% humidity here in the Denver area the last few days. 11% today and 90 degrees. On top of that I have been making runs from 6 to 11000 feet the last 3 or 4 days. Arvada then up I70 and over Berthoud Pass to Winter Park yesterday. Let's see, hot, no moisture in the air, and thin air to cool the oil, cylinders and heads down. The POLO engine has been running 210 to 230 degree oil temps. I took the rain shield off today and ran Coal Creek to Nederland to Boulder to Arvada today. It's a nice 1 hour quick run in the 6 to 9000 foot of elevation range.
The oil temps stayed in the 190 to 210 range the whole time. Heading to Steamboat Springs with a group Saturday. Looks like the rain shield will stay off till the cool of fall or when I run the coast between Carpinteria and Monterey, California.
If you are running a high hp engine and still have the rain shield on, you might try running without it and see what happens.
By the way the next oldest Porsche in the group is a 78 911SC. Most are 2000 and newer cars. As long as they keep it under 140 I'll be OK. I've been to 125 and there was a lot left to go as long as the car doesn't start hovering off the ground. I do love this engine.
I finally got around to weighing my car today. It came in at 2240 pounds with 3/4 of a tank of fuel. The car with the 616 engine was 2084 pounds dry. If a gallon of fuel weighs 7 pounds or is it 8. I'll use 7 for now, times 12 gallons that's 84. 2240 - 84 = 2156. If I took off the heavy SS stock muffler and put on a light 2 in 1 out M&K, I should be able to get it down to about 2140. So a extra 80 to 100 hp came with a 56 to 72 pound weight penalty depending on what muffler I choose. It appears a Polo engine with a oil tank, 11 qts of oil, hoses, thermostat, rear to front and back oil lines and a front oil cooler splits the difference between a SWB 912 and 911. About 20 to 25 pounds of that weight increase is ahead of the rear axles. That would include the thermostat, rear to front and back oil lines, oil, and the carrera cooler. The cooler the heaviest part is 14 or 15 inches ahead of the front hubs. I have not done anything to lighten this car. If someone was inclined to get weight off this car, they probably could get it down to it's original weight.
I'm trying out some video compression software. Does it work? Anyone know of other compression software for a PC at a reasonable cost?
http://www.pompolodesign.com/video.html
Name
Bob Fleming
Comment
Chris, could you post this to your site...www.PompoloDesign.com
I have a one word exclamation to describe your 4 cylinder car,
Z O W I E E E E E.
Passing me the key to your car on my recent visit to Denver and letting me go for a hooligan drive was outstanding. That engine pulls so strong it is just amazing. The run down the road with the signal intersection under the roadway presented a less than desirable condition with me making the on ramp light - but caught in a low rpm condition in second gear - with a blend lane filled with a truck I just had to put my foot into it.
The gearing and the power that 2.4 engine puts out, yup, zowiee is the best description. It pulled from just below 2000 rpm to well over 6000 in a blink of the eye, sat us back into those wonderful seats and propelled us to a exceedingly unlawful velocity. I really didn't want to back out of the throttle.
Rarely does one get the chance to experience that thrust.
I have to thank you for putting a highlight on what was a truly wonderful experience in Denver... old 911's...great folks, and your hot rod.
Smiled for the rest of the 2000 mile drive, thanks to you.
Bob Fleming
with that old 1964 911.
Bob compiled a list on all known 1964 911's and just sold his #149 car in Monterrey a week or so ago. He is now restoring a 67S.
He was in Denver to inspect the #133 car. The #133 car went to the Quail and might make it back to So Cal for a showing 9-14 or 15.
hey bob...sounds like you had some fun out in CO...glad to hear such & you drove this car...AWESOME...!!
Bob is a heck of a guy & I am sure his experience in the polo car are true & ones to think about = should anyone consider building a similar polo car...they ARE great cars & underrated cars too... :-)
signed...
the other Bob Fleming
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I live for 911 tweaks...
Posted today on Pelican
I post this stuff because I believe more people should have the pleasure of a 900 series car with a Polo engine, You can find a link to Dean's site on my 912 spec page on my site.
The history of the 4 cylinder 911/912 engine
Hakse has given me permission to post his article from the Netherlands 911.912 Summer issue of their magazine to my site. It's on the history of the 4 cylinder 911/912 engine. Go to www.pompolodesign.com
scroll down on that page and click on the magazine. Enjoy.
Chris,
Thanks for the reference to the article. It's a great read.
Kevin
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmpski
Thanks for posting the article Chris.
Nice to see that your ride is doing so well... a little jealous of the Polo!
Maybe one day I'll grow up and have one too.
Thanks,
Dean's new site.
http://www.polomotor.com
What a concept. Lighter, better braking, and handling. Neat idea.
http://www.autonews.com/article/2014...er-report-says
It's a great engine. I have had 3 of them including the prototype. Emory has continued to improve them (though the prototype sounds the coolest!)
My next POLO car?
Here is a car built a couple miles from my house. I'd love to put a POLO in it. If it was built out of titanium (we've talked about it) I could get it down to about 1300 or 1400 pounds. Fuchs, Boxster Brembo's, GTS seats, 912 gauges, etc. All I can think of is what it would be like to drive a car with my engine that's 6 to 800 pounds lighter. 6 to 7 pounds per horsepower. Now that would be a fun car to drive in the high mountains of Colorado.
http://www.velocityrails.com/
I took the alternator out to have it checked. Rated at 50 amps but produced 60 amps. With fuel injection and the lights on I probably need more like 75 amps. I'll deal with that this winter along with a couple other projects. I took a few pictures. At 8000 miles the engine is dry as Mohave bones! This engine is unreal. Wait till you see the other 912 POLO engines coming down the line. I talked to Dean for about a hour the other evening. A couple of 60 something guys just jacked about what we're doing. 1 in KC, 1 in Spain, 3 in CA, 1 in Asia. One of which is like a 2.8 with a monster cam, BIG ports, etc. My car is FAST, it will be killer. I can't wait for all of us to get together in a year or two for a drive. Over the next year or so I'll have some neat additions for my car. Life is truly very good.
I put a pan under the oil cooler today so the air wouldn't escape under the cooler. When I drove it home it was 85 degrees and 18% humidity. Oil temp stayed about 195 right where the front cooler thermostat comes on. My guess is it's worth 10 degrees as I usually see 205 to 210 in those conditions.
Chris
Nice idea, you could sell those.
Rob,
I'm afraid each car is just enough different that it would require a custom fit. Maybe someone could make a slightly oversize plastic one that each person could trim. Or create the software that customers could use with their 3D printers. I will leave that to the software writers. But thanks for the compliment.
Chris
A opportunity not related to Porsche's has come my way so the car is on the market. I can be reached at cspomares@gmail.com to answer questions or to attain my phone number.. The price has been reduced quite a bit from 185 to 135. I will be selling it at a loss. The POLO engine is now about 40K and the engine management another 10k. So just the engine would be about 50k to duplicate in another car. The list of tasteful custom touches is almost endless.
If you don't know about this car go to www.PompoloDesign.com.
Chris
It has Ti rods, CMW heads, LN cylinders. Dean and the customer are looking for 240 hp. This Polo has 78mm stroke, 105mm bore (approximately 2.7 ltrs), 54mm intake valves, and 43.5mm exhausts.
Chris
If you want to build a POLO engine yourself or have your tech build it Dean offers a kit.
Go to www.polomotor.com
Here are a few projects done over the last 60 to 90 days. Some done and some to be finished soon.
1. splitters to ram more air into the carrera cooler.
2.A canister to catch fuel fumes. It works great!
3.Relays for new LED headlights. A new fuse panel. My gauge is reading 1.5 more volts. 12.3 to 13.8.
4.A 2nd drivers upper for sport driving and I might just do a AX.
5.My LWB to SWB adjustable spring plate conversion.
6.New valve covers.
7.Plated heater valves.
8.New 993 based exhaust that will allow the car to offer heat again with twin heater levers.
5, 6, 7, and 8 are yet to be installed.
9.I've had 2 orders for a copy of my engine mount.
#2 912 POLO car on the road owned by Brady at the 901 Shop. If I recall his is based on 993RS engine parts.
When I built this car I didn't think in terms of 911 or 912. My reference point was how could I get the most power, have it be reliable, in the smallest package, and get the best handling I can in a SWB 900 series car..
The engine is about to go over 10,000 miles.
On a whim I drove out to what I hear is the largest VW event of the summer here in Colorado. I love the 50 and 60's VW's having had a 71 bus and my favorite 67 bus. When I got there they said they are showing air and water cooled Porsche's and Audi's in their own class. I said I'm just here to have some fun and look at the VW's. They said common and show your car. Well what the heck, OK. So I registered on the spot. There were maybe 2 to 400 cars being shown and more racing at the drag strip as best as I could tell. I couldn't get away from my car to get a feel for the real numbers. I chatted with a bunch of nice folks, packed up burnt to a crisp from the sun, and headed home. This morning I got a call. Come'on by. You won two awards. Really? My class had a bunch of new to newer Audi S and RS whatever's tweeked to the max. Some very nice Porsche's and my Old Yeller.
The "runner up" in class was voted on by anyone who showed a car in any class.
The "Best of Show Engine" was voted on buy the business owners in the VW, Porsche, Audi trade. There were some Audi S and RS engines in the newer cars making over 700 hp. Then there was my pea shooter.
Who knew.
Chris
I drove 75 miles out to High Plains Raceway to watch a DE event this weekend. Martha rode her bike out there and I drove her home. I have a feeling she and her bike will be making trips to several mountain resorts were we both hit the high country. She on 2 wheels and me on 4.
Chris
The splitters have worked out well. The front end feels much more planted. I can cruise along at 80 to 100 mph and if the roads are good the car feels rock solid. With the pan and splitters I've stayed at or below 210 degrees so far this summer on mid 90 low humidity days whether in traffic or going 90 plus on the interstate. Last year I would get readings of about 220 with those conditions.
Chris
Good stuff Chris! Congrats on the awards!!
I missed Rennsport but made the First Cars and Colors event in Telluride, Colorado. It will be the last couple days of September and 1st couple of days of October 2016. Here are the pictures shot by the event photographer. I hope some of you can make it next year.
Chris
http://carsandcolors.com/gallery/201...f-cars-colors/
I just got some front and rear suspension bushings from Clint Smith at Rebel Racing. I put them together with my SWB spring plates and 911SC adjustable pieces. I'll have a nut welded to the end of my torsion bars so I can use a long bolt and remove or adjust the bars without pulling the spring plates in the future. I'll install some time between now and spring.
My car will be off the road for the next two or three years. I'm taking it down to it's bare bones. It will get some custom metal work, all new Bahama Yellow paint, radically upgraded interior, 2 gear changes, suspension and brake upgrades, engine upgrades, glass, headliner, etc. Oh and probably never seen before wheels. I've put over 12,000 miles on it over the last 4 years thinking what I would do to the car if I ever rebuilt it. Well it's time to take it to a level I never dreamed of 5 years ago.
I hope to finish it about the same time I finish a POLO car for a friend.
POLO Grill Badges
I would appreciate it if someone could post this link and picture on the 356 site.
I made a similar request on the 912 Registry.
Chris Pomares
Owners of POLO badges
Dean Polopolus
Doug DePew
Jeff Abate
Mat Sanchez
Kevin Lynch
Pete Moffat
Chris Pomares
http://www.pompolodesign.com/polo-grill-badge.html
I've added a color chart to the above link.
Chris
Here are a few new badges. More info on reSee Works.
I took a couple hours off the 911E project to put a different deck lid on my car. The spoiler is conveyor belt material. When I get the shape and size finalized I'll make it out of polished aluminum.
Chris
Looks really nice. I appreciate you taking the time. My grill is basically ruined and I've been considering options like this. What's the weight difference?
I doubt there is a pound difference between the two. The new grill is on a LWB deck lid and is made of aluminum. I still have my original deck lid and grill hanging on the wall.
Chris
I'm finally getting around to installing my SWB adjustable spring plates and Rebel Racing bushings.
I can set the angle with a floor jack and a digital angle gauge. Now I just turn the torsion bar till it slips in and insert a c clip. Done.
As the bushing offers no resistance the car settles to the ride height desired. The prototype SWB front bushings should show up in the next week or so.
They fit inside the stock SWB suspension.
Chris
I've had to shave this bolt (12mm) and nut (4mm) down. My Fuchs in the rear are 16x6.5's and the tires are 195/55/16.. I added a 1/2 inch to the inside of the wheel.
If I was running 5.5's or 6's back there I would have been OK. I could run a 10mm spacer back there but I'm trying to avoid that. A 185/70/15, 195/65/15, 205/55/15, 205/50/15 on 5.5 or 6's should just bolt right up. The 16's have a square shoulder the 15's a rounder profile according to Harvey.
The fist wheel is a 6x16 the second my 6.5x16.
Here is Rebel S Racings first set of SWB front bushings. No rubber and no grease. If you contact Clint please let him know you saw them here, I told him I would try and get the word out.
Chris
Engine came out to try some new cams and change 1 or 2 gears in the transmission. The 2CAM4 removal was a breeze.
Chris
I have a set of 928 spare wheels converted from 5.5 to 6 inches with a 4 3/4 backspace. These will be mounted with a short sticky tire for lower gearing to make spirited runs in the mountains. Currently the wheels have grey primer on them so they don't rust. Should I go with traditional silver, or, grey, black, or some color like golden green, Peru red, or some color of blue. What do you think?
Some dyno numbers from a 2.4 with shortened 993 heat exchangers I thought up. This is at sea level, mine were a corrected guesstiment at 5900 feet.
Different dynos different exhaust and my heads are not stock. The only true comparison would be to have the same exhaust and the same dyno.
With what Dean is doing to my long block and a new exhaust I'm hoping for 190 hp and 165 lbs/tq, which would put the engine right in the 2.4S territory with a car that has maybe 200 to 300 pounds less weight. These engines are relaxed yet powerful in the 3500 to 6500 rpm range yet are quite willing to go to 7200 just past their peak power rating. These are street engines. If you put a bigger cam in there you'd loose torque but surpass 200 hp if that's your thing.
Apparently the company that did the test had a file of a Andial 2.0-6.
Close to the same peak hp but a little less torque.
Here are some 2.4 #'s. The POLO 2.4's fall in between a E and S with 80 to 100 pounds less engine weight.
They make more torque and I'd guess it comes on a little sooner.
2.4 Liter 911 T 2.4 Liter MFI 135 hp @ 5600 140 lb-ft @ 4000
2.4 Liter 911 E 2.4 Liter MFI 165 hp @ 6200 147 lb-ft @ 4500
2.4 Liter 911 S 2.4 Liter MFI 190 hp @ 6500 154 lb-ft @ 5200
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDYUiyJWW6E&authuser=0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWMnx1yxvc
The next reSee 912 POLO car. A 53,000 mile 69 912. Hitting the road late 2017 or early 2018. This car will be a 2.7 with webcam 594/595 grind ( my engine is a 296i/296e grind), much bigger valves and ports than my engine. I'm guessing 210+ hp.
I have heard about and read about these engines. I had not seen a picture until today. Fantastik!!! Is an understatement. I am still marveling
If you have interest from time to time, you can go here to follow the 69 2.7 POLO project.
Chris
http://www.reseeworks.com/69-912-polo-project.html
I've been working on a fan shroud conversion. The original one was a bit fragile. It fits perfect as it should with over 50 hours of work over 6 weekends.
Chris
I've been working on a heat and exhaust design for my car an the 69 912 car. Burns Stainless shipped my reSee Works spec muffler today. Things are starting to come together. I'll post more pictures in a couple weeks on my site about these cars.
Chris
It's been almost a year since this engine came out of the car. It's nice to trial fit a few parts and dream about getting the car back on the road before the snow falls next winter.
I should have a picture of the completed heat exchanger, exhaust, and muffler in a couple of days. There will be a jig made so it can be replicated. Here are some fog lights that I'll try on the car. It's just a matter if the car looks clean or too cluttered with them on.
69 912 conversion
Other than a couple 90 degree tubes to plumb toward the heater valves, and maybe fine tune the exit through the rear bumper the exhaust it's about done. Now its wait tell the engine can be run to see how it sounds and runs. I'm excited. The exhaust system is about 2 to 3 inches further forward than the 911 muffler and we reduced weight in the rear by about 7 to 10 pounds and that doesn't include the aluminum deck lid, licence plate panel, bumper horns, and just maybe if we're lucky a set of rear bumpers. That might be worth another 5 to 10 pounds.
I also got to see a Singer today. Very nice.
2 transmissions are next. My car was running A, GA, N, U, ZD. I'll pick up 2 transmissions from the owner of this car when I deliver his original engine for storage. Each of those transmissions have gears we need. I also just acquired 2 C first gears. Once done mine will run C, GA, N, V,ZD and the 69 car will run C, GA, O, V, ZD. Both will have Wavetrac TBD's, In a perfect world we would run C, HA, N or O, V, ZD. GA is close to HA without the expense of a 904 main shaft and another rare gear.
When the transmissions are done there will be some gears and parts available along with a 70-71 case.
Here is the original Ultra Blue the car came in. It is going back to that color.
Chris
splendid color
I agree. I think it will come out very nice.
I just mounted the car on a Stoddard dolly.
Engine installed. Heat! Hope to start in the next day or so.
Trans got 2 different gears, syncros, bearings, and a aluminum intermediate plate.
We just came out with a slightly altered engine mount. If you are building a 912 POLO and there are about a dozen who are around the world, these can be ordered. I'll post to reSee Works in about 2 weeks. The one with green tape on it is the original one.
The picture of the installed engine above still has the original one. The strait part in the middle on the new one is about 2 inches longer on each side.
Chris
@chris
nice work...
do you also have the adjusted engine tin available?
best regards from Bavaria
haul
Most of the tin is stock 911. The side pieces are shortened. We will make up a nicer rear piece for this next POLO car being taken back to Ultra Blue from Beige. We'll look at the cost and see if it's a item we can make available.
We're also making a buck to make an aluminum curved licence panel. It should be much nicer than this fiberglass one. In time those items will show up on our site.
We just sold another pair of recliners. We've been selling about one set a month. Their not a big seller but it fills a need. I only make them in aluminum now as the steel ones eat up our tools too fast. Here is a one of one chrome set. There on my car. The chroming alone cost more than what we sell the aluminum recliners for.
Chris
Be careful with tall first gears, very hard on clutches and starts, hard to drive.
912 POLO #3 in Europe. My car is #1, the 901 Shop in FL is #2, and now #3. I'll have another one on the road by fall. I don't know if it will be #4 as there are a handful more in different stages of completion in the US, Europe, and maybe Asia.
http://www.912bbs.org/vb/showthread....anish-polo-912
Chris Pomares
Now that is some serious "BLING" recliners.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmpski
Quality costs and shows.
Nice.
Mark
We've been working on an aluminum licence panel to replace the fiberglass one. I hope to have it somewhere at the LA Lit or Swap.
We stuck on a licence plate that was laying around. I't not ours.
This is the prototype aluminum license panel. I’ll post updates when we have a finished piece.
We should have a finished part in a couple weeks. The panel needs small wings to fill in under the bumperettes.
We are looking at these to light up the licence plate. They go into the two upper holes on the licence plate.
Here is the start of the first production piece. It will go on the 69 2.7 POLO car. These are hammered out by hand. I think Jon (The Metal Surgeon) will start a thread on this car when he has time. The panel is made with 16 gauge aluminum.
The 69 POLO car is coming along. Aluminum at both ends. The decklid and bumperettes will be aluminum soon.
Chris
A little interior bling for the 69 car.
Driver and passenger heat is as close as the next chilly day.
Some new tires to go with the heat.
Finally got the heat exchanger plumbing in. Just in time for 90 plus degree heat. Come next fall, I'm ready.
Chris
soundfile set please...
looks perfect
haul,
We're still fine tuning the ECU with the new exhaust. When finished I'll try and learn how to post a video on youtube.
We had our annual charity car show here in Denver yesterday. I had the good fortune to meet Dieter Inzenhofer of Andial fame as he came by and checked out my car. He was gracious to sign a Porsche 70 year plaque given to all who showed their Porsche's at the event. All in all it was a fine day.
Found gassing up in Sharon Ct , Skip Barbers Polo 356
Hurly Haywood was in Denver doing a book signing a couple months ago. He was very interested to see my car. While he was sitting in it he told me he is getting a POLO installed in one of his speedsters.
PMB’s first SWB’ed 42 mm rear piston calipers!
I wanted more brake. Going down hill at speed from 12000 foot mountain passes for 5 and sometime 10 plus miles really works the brakes. Eric at PMB told me a 1.6 ratio was what I wanted. So I did some research. I read that the 914 front calipers had 42 mm pistons, as do the rear late 80’s Carreras. I talked to Eric and he said I need the early 914 fronts. I did some more research, found some brake charts and found the early Boxster non S and the non S 964 black calipers matched to the calipers I had Eric build and would give me a perfect 1.6 ratio.
SWB non S have 35 mm pistons, the S 38 mm and the same pads, these 42 mm and a bigger pad.
My main motivation is to increase performance and at the same time if possible, find a different path.
The SWB stock looking (behind the wheel) rear big brake caliper.
About a 1000 views since I posted this caliper. I wonder it Eric's received a couple of calls?
Some history of the POLO engine.
https://carsyeah.com/ourportfolio/1011-dean-polopolus/
Front Boxster calipers to be mounted on early LWB Koni S struts next winter along with aluminum cross bar and LWB a-arms. Or maybe use the adapters for the SWB suspension. The picture of the 3 front brake pads are, M, SC, and Boxster. The Boxster hardware will be changed from clear (silver) and black to yellow (gold) to match the existing hardware on the car.
The gold caliper is a early 914 front ATE caliper (42 mm pistons) converted to a SWB rear caliper. This has never been done on a SWB car before. This will retain a 1.6 front to rear bias.
I try as much as possible to find never been done before solutions. It's a challenge but it's fun.
A triple looper. I'm making one for each side.
Working on a second one. The Elephant under hood crossover tubes are in.
The finished coolers connections will be trimmed to connect to the whole system like the 73RS coolers. See picture.
October was a fun month. The car was featured at a PCA event at a McClaren dealership and the following week at Ed Carroll Porsche for the debut of the 992. Both were well attended. Both sets of pictures were taken early on before the crowds. In the case of Ed Carroll it was a hour or so before the event.
Ready for winter install.
See #171
if that's your orange car, could you share some detail photos of that front spliter?
how to mount? material, etc?
scott
I made patterns then had them laser cut. I started with outside only then added a middle piece. I prefer 3 piece as I can replace pieces with different designs. 25 mph cross wind at 100 mph is totally planted.
The unpainted car is another POLO car I'm building for a friend. That's a steel bumper with oil cooler vents. Both spliters are aluminum. Mine is currently just aluminum plate. The other and mine in the future will be hand pounded aluminum.
Fall 2019 issue
I started one of maybe a dozen over the winter projects on my car. Christmas to New Year is my time. I'll be back on the 911E Thursday. I'm installing a IAC valve. (idle air control). Over 9500 feet the 4 50mm throttle bodies can't get enough vacuum to suck enough air in at idle. This valve will be tied to the ECU to supplement additional air via silicone vacuum lines to each throttle body. This is the first rough fit.
Nice, clean install. Glad to see you getting quality time with #1!
Thanks Doug. Almost ready. Still need tubing and a connection to the ecu.
Hoping to have this 69E Targa up and running for the late spring and summer driving season for Doug. Then it's a to do list on my car then on to the 69 POLO coupe. It should be a very busy 18 to 24 months.
Here is a list of repairs and upgrades I will address starting in March after I finish a Golden Green 69E. I'm hoping I'll have the car back on the road by late Summer or Fall.
-Replace all fuel lines. Hard lines through the tunnel, Teflon lined and rubber lines front and rear. Currently you wouldn't want to light a match inside the car. The original type hi pressure fuel lines are seeping vapors but no fuel after 9 years. I only want to do this once. Paul will build me custom lines. I'll send him mine so he can reproduce the exact lengths.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...ess-steel.html
-Replace both rear wheel bearings.
-Powder coat trailing arms.
-Over transmission Elephant engine hard oil line.
-F&R longer wheel studs.
-Radio delete dash?
-Driver and passenger hidden inline fans to draw hot air to the floor and dash. It's a push and pull (vacuum) system. Add 2 switches to the dash in the radio delete area. I now use a Marshall Bluetooth speaker and Pandora off my phone. I don't use it very often. I prefer to listen to the car. It always has something to say.
-Anodize custom decklid screen and front splitter.
-LWB Suspension upgrade.
1. Install aluminum crossbar with hole or holes so I can run pressure and return fuel lines through not over the crossbar. Reinforce those areas.
2. New Rebel non grease LWB front suspension bushings.
3. Decambered ball joints.
4.LWB rebuilt steering rack.
5.Rebel adjustable bump steer kit and turbo tie rods.
6.Rebel Racing service raising the spindle 19 mm on a set of 73S Koni's. Powder coat the Koni's.
-Add Elephant under the front hood crossover lines so I can add a second trombone oil cooler on the drivers side.
-Add a IAC (idle air control) to the drivers side of the engine compartment. Then wires to the ECU and vacuum lines to each throttle body. This in theory should help get a nice idle over 10,000 feet.
-Front early gray Boxster calipers using Rebel caliper adaptors on the 73S struts. I will keep the 20 mm SC rotors with 1.5 mm brake pad spacers as I feel 24 mm Carrera rotors are overkill for a 2100 pound car.
-First ever PMB 70 to 72 914 front caliper with 42 mm pistons modified to go on the rear of a SWB car. With the Boxster front caliper the car retains the stock 1.6 front to rear bias.
As I like trying new ideas on the car more than even driving the car it should be a great Spring and Summer.
I'm trying out an idea to improve heat and defrost. I have a couple inline fans. The engine pushes the heat and these will pull. I'll also cut 2/3 rds of a 1 and 1/4 inch hole at an angle from the lower edge and push the flap in some to direct hot air toward my knees. The socket is there to give an idea what it might look like. It will only stick out about a 1/2 inch. It will come out above the side pocket. I'll be able to block these off. The fans are capable of handling 25 amps. To keep things quiet I probably run maybe 3 or 4 amps. The idea is to get the air out of the side heater tubes a little quicker so the air retains as much heat as possible. We'll see if it works. If it works I'll add a second one on the passenger side.
Double triples.
Elephant under hood crossover lines are in. The 2 parts of the cooler on the left still needs to be connected. Both coolers will get tubes cut at approximately the red lines and male fittings silver soldered on. Connecting female parts and rubber hoses have been ordered.
Weekend work. I'm not sure why the picture of the oil lines rotated.
3 of the 4 hard oil cooler lines are almost finished then they go for yellow zinc plating. I need to find someone who can make a sharp non kinked 90 degree bend on some 1 inch OD/ 7/8 ID steel tubing for the last line. Most tubing benders don't have fixtures for lines this small.
The VDO Engine Hour Meter will go in the engine bay if it can stand the heat.
I'm replacing the aluminum on the glove compartment. I bent it when removing a plate under the 912 logo.
The one going in the car is an early 911 piece. The glove box door looked like the other piece before I cleaned it. The top left will be covered with the 4 event plates. As the 912 logo won't cover the 911 logo markings it will be replaced with one of my badges.
I have a spare set of fog light covers and found a use for them.
Sometimes in the spring and fall I find myself driving in 35 to 50 degree weather here and in Colorado. With the drivers side oil cooler I might have trouble with too low oil temps. My guess is the whole oil system will probably carry about 16 quarts. So I’ve made the spare pair to go on and off in a matter of minutes. We’ll see if it makes any difference on a cold day. A 6 mm thread cert fits perfectly in the bumper. Then I use a 6 mm threaded rod. I’m using a wing nut welded to the end for ease of use. An acorn nut would probably look better but I want to be able to put them on or off without tools. The threaded rod has been trimmed.
I went back to black.
The oil coolers are ready to be installed. The hard lines are out getting yellow zinc. Hopefully they'll be done by weeks end. The 3 steel fittings where silver soldiered, gun blued, covered with oil, then roasted with a heat gun.
Tubes back from getting yellow zinc.
Once the lights are aimed properly the bumper will go back on.
I'm setting up the plumbing and electronics for the inline vent/heat fans. I ran a fan for an hour today. Zero heat build up. The white fuse is 8 amps. The fans can take 25. The limiting factor is the controllers. I think they are set up for 5. I'll never need even half of that. That's a aluminum block holding the fan down. It almost wasn't enough. The Zenith 42 mm butterfly's will regulate how much air goes to the windshield.
As the fuse box is out of the car I wired the fan to a battery with the 8 amp fuse to try it out. How did it work? I blew 50 plus years of dirt and dust all over the dash and had to vac up the mess. I’ve only done the drivers side so far but the other side should go in in half the time. This is going to be very nice on a cold spring or fall morning.
I wish I could figure out why half of the pictures post sideways.
Under hood carpet is in. Vent fan controllers are hidden behind a radio delete plate.
I covered up some wood and the hole for the antennae today. I think the leather gives the interior a cleaner look. I still have the original wood wheel and the Porsche crest shift knob if I want a different look. The doors get new hinge bushings Monday. This stay home or in my shop thing is allowing me to get a bunch of 912 projects crossed off the list.
I went for a short drive today. The car ran well. I'm looking forward to a hour or so run in the mountains tomorrow. I cant wait.
I'm using the little lights in place of driving lights mostly as daylight running lights as I don't drive at night much. I hope they help. I don't like driving the car in the greater Denver area as the drivers are some of the worst I've ever seen. They tailgate, run red lights ( my wife and I were T-boned by a red light runner 4 months ago), cut in front of you by 3 feet for one car length, and believe the speed signs are minimum allowed speed. High centered brake lights are next. I don't like having to use these lights but I want to avoid the same fate as a friend in Texas that just had his pristine no accident 68 912 rear ended by some kid in a jacked pickup truck. He actually drove up the back of the car. He probably never saw the 912's brake lights.
The duel oil coolers have made a big difference. The oil temp just sits at 200 degrees. The return line is actually cool after it passes through the two coolers. The car is running a constant 75 to 80 pounds of oil pressure. With about 15 quarts and two coolers the thermostat regulates the temp really well. Before I would see 215 to 220 in similar driving at the same outside temperature. We'll see what happens when it's 95 degrees with 15% humidity. For now I'm stoked.
Looks like you're doing great with those dual oil coolers. Nicely done.
Guess these cars always run hotter at altitude since there is less air up there to cool the engine.
One downside of being at "mile high"....there aren't many....lived there many years.
Beautiful loop cooler setup, Chris! Install is inspired, and looks like beautiful work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Pomares
Have always wanted to see this done on a 914 to avoid the central radiator-style cooler hole. Would require smaller loops, I suspect, but I suspect two loops plus the cross pipes connecting them (with at least one of those cross pipes out in the wind under the front spoiler, as there's a void there) would provide a real benefit without altering the car's aesthetics.
Thanks for the nice words Pete.
Two loop coolers I'm sure would get the job done as the 73RS had. But as always I try to do things a little different.