The Ultimate 1969 Soft Window Targa (SWT) Thread

[CidTito]

[QUOTE=Harvey Weidman;760
There were some ways* you could always tell if the car was originally delivered with the soft window so verification should be certain.
H[/QUOTE]

Few ways* I can think of is :
1. Does any of the SWT parts remain like tonneau cover or tensioners remain?
2. Do underside Targa bar still have visible cutouts left on its underside?
3. Do any of the interior targa bar stripped off interior body parts bear any correct clamp markings for tensioner handles?
4. Does past records/receipts that show work having the SWT conversion (if still exist)?
5. Does the conversion will include bodywork that covers up tonneau tenex clips holes?
6. Does interior rear seat areas bear markings of being bungled with conversion, including tenex snaps for rear delete/seat areas?
7. Does it show if some cars opted for adding additional rear seats.
8. Does rear window heater wire show a fresh/non factory connection? All SWTS might have wire in place, its just having its electrical, taped off.
9. Do the openings for 10mm bolts holding the tensioner handle so correct wear?

[beh911]

Place holder for any recorded 69 Dealer or After-market independent shop conversions (SWT to HWT)

Not a bad idea.

Also the reverse... making the effort to go from HWT to SWT

[LongRanger]

. . . Interior option codes changed in November 1968, and some aspects of the cars began to show up on the kardexes right around then. One of those is option 9356, W.HECKSC for ROW or S-R WIND for the US market. Note this code is not a US market only code as it is used across cars for all markets.

Another option code, 9316, PERSENNG, which I believe is the tonneau cover for the now exposed rear window area of an unzipped/removed soft window, shows up sporadically throughout the documentation. So it wasn't an automatic that every SWT had the tonneau cover noted. This doesn't necessarily mean the car didn't come with one, it just doesn't show up on the kardex. It has also been said that 9316 may have been an early option code for the SWT itself, but I am not so sure on this interpretation being correct.

Also worth noting is that around ~119310180, the records clearly begin to delineate SWT vs HWT (9354/9355). So something happened at the factory that started the specific call out of which rear window was to be in each car . . .

Interesting stuff, you Guys . . .

Another 3-digit option code is M 437 --- see post #16 . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...%2C+71%2C+911T

[Jules Dielen]

Interesting stuff, you Guys . . .

Another 3-digit option code is M 437 --- see post #16 . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...%2C+71%2C+911T

The M-codes did not get introduced until 1970. before that they were 4 numbers.

[LongRanger]

. . . I saw two 73 targas with out glass today and both did not have the captive nuts in the handle mounts, yet they had the scalloped cut outs where the window seal attached near the parcel shelf area . . .

Any pics? . . . . .

[LongRanger]

. . . M-codes did not get introduced until 1970. before that they were 4 numbers . . .

Yup . . . .

. . . . like this --- see post #5 . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...-%91S%92-Targa

. . . the Last S SWT? . . .



. . . so far

[LongRanger]

. . . no brackets to hold to rear soft window frame as can be seen ,so looks like from factory hard window Targa . . .

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[LongRanger]

. . . bummer that there is no factory notations of soft window equipment. There are absolutely ways to tell if the car was a soft window originally or not but the rear window pretty much needs to be unhooked from the car. There are 3 mounts at the back of the parcel tray to hold the rear bows, 2 distinct holes on the targa bar to mount the lower bow and another detail that I am not saying so in the future forgers do not try to make a fake SWT . . .

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[911T1971]

More Soft Window Targa on cars MY 1968-70. All cars are in Germany.

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500 127 S, Engine 961 340, 1967 911S.
Kardex and German COA infos: Polorot 6602 B, KL schwarz (black Vinyl), Webasto, Exterior thermometer, 3-point belts, Expander/Radio/Antenna, German Delivery, Ausgel. am 15.2.1967
No SWT indication on Kardex

500 590, Engine P-911 869 (yes, according to Kardex), 1967 911S
Kardex infos: Bahamagelb (Bahama yellow) 6605 B, Kl schwarz, Bumperettes front, tinted window, foglights, Expander/Becketr Radio Euro-US Band/Antenna/Loudspeaker, Velouran mats, Fuchs wheels, 2 Talbots, 1 Wood steering wheel, 1 Headrest ("Schlummerrolle) links (left), US Delivery, Ausgel. am 5.6.67
No SWT indication on Kardex

118 6 0053, engine 308 0169, 1968 MY
Kardex infos: Ossiblau 6806 B, KL schwarz, Fuchs Wheels, Wood steering wheel., German Delivery, Ausgel. am 19.9.67
No SWT indication on Kardex

118 5 0136, engine 418 0074, 1968 MY
Kardex infos: Hell-elfenbein (light ivory) 6804, Leather int, Webasto, Sport-o-matic, Ski rack with 8 leather straps for ski (!), German Delivery, Ausgel. am 4.12.1967

119 110222, engine 619 3069, 1969 911T
Kardex infos: Hell-elfenbein (light ivory) 6804, Sport-o-matic, electrical antenna, option 9076, 9239, 9464, 9315, 9308, 9346, 9348, 0002 (KFZ-Brief) German delivery, Ausgel. am 13.11.68
Typ Tar 911T indicated on Kardex,
Note by owner (during restauration): "has all the elements of a real softie".

119 11 0520, engine 619540, 1969 911T
US COA & German COA infos: Tangerine 6809, Black Leatherette, US Equipment, 9356 Retractable rear window, 9036 5 speed, 9301 Chrome wheels 5 1/2x with colored Porsche crest, Radio with Cassette player, Bumperettes F/R 9304/9305, 9308 Exterior mirror right, 9348 Tinted windshield, 9346 Tinted side windows Targa, Antenna/Frankfurt Radio US Band, US Delivery

119 31 0132, engine 6390440, 1969 911S
US COA & Kardex infos: Polo red 6802, Black Leatherrette, US Delivery, Abnahme besch. 13.12.68
Typ Tar 911S indicated on Kardex,
Note by owner (during restauration): "has all the elements of a real softie".

110 21 0673, engine 6201761, 1969 911E
US COA & German COA infos: Tangerine 2323, Black Leatherette, Stabilisizers F/R, Soft Retractable window, Rear fog light, Antenna/radio/noise supression/loudspeaker.

110 11 2312, engine 6103948, 1970 911T
US COA & German COA infos: Pastel Blue, Black Leatherette, Fuchs 6j x 15, Stabilisizers F/R, 911S instruments ant Oil Tank, Soft retracable rear window, Porsche script on door - black, Antenna left/Loudspeaker/ Noise suspression.
(infos on German COA: Options M 400, M 404, M 414, M 437, M 439, M 440)

110 11 0275, engine 610554, 1970 911T
US COA infos: Irish Green, Black Leatherette, US Equipment, Radio Frankfurt US Band, Air Conditioning, Tinted glass all around (Targa)
Note by owner (during restauration): "has all the elements of a real softie".

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All Infos provided by copies of above listed original Kardex/COA

[beh911]

Thank you Karim for your post. I've just updated the 69T SWT post on page 1 with entries. Still a work in progress