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    1971 911 S east african safari race car discovered in Germany

    After long research and lots of investigation this car is certified by the factory as one of the two race cars which competed at the East African so it will change the story of some original or not safary cars offered!!! ;-)
    Porsche 911 S 1971 Kremer race car

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    Porsche 911 S 1971 Kremer race car

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    Very interesting- thanks for sharing.
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    Congrats !! Please show pics of any reinforcements, or other modifications.
    1973 911 RSR clone..... to be


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    Awesome find...please show more details.

    We restored one of the white Safari 911's (go to gunnar racing Facebook), there are 2 white ones and 2 Green ones. These photos you have showed have Rally goodies I can see. PM me if you wish more info concerning Rally 911s from 70 and 71.

    Best and keep em coming!

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    Porsche 911 S 1971 Kremer race car

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    Whew! --- another really neat car turns-up . . .

    Can't quite make out the VIN, here. Is there something mounted on top of the 'relief' where the VIN is usually stamped?


    And another thread, HughH's --- especially starting @post #14 . . .
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...cars-1965-1972

    '71 'Safari' cars . . .

    .....VIN.............eng#...
    9111300589.....6308504
    9111300637.....6310962
    9111300647.....6310922
    9111300683.....6301577



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    cool stuff!

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    Intresting ! more pics. So i have seing 2 SC, green, is of of them not coshure !
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    It is very interesting, and potentially a find that may change views of what the identities of the three safari cars were (or at least one of them).

    KJ implies above that there were 4 cars, two white and two green. My understanding is that there were 5 cars however I am open to be convinced that there may have been more made.

    My understanding at the event, at least, there were 5 cars. 3 were werks entries and two were practice cars which I believe may have also been used in the event by non werks entrants after finishing duty as practice cars.

    Of the 5 that were in Africa I understand that all the cars originally started out white at the factory but three were painted green and two remained white.

    However various references show at least 6 different chassis numbers in total from my research. It is likely that some or all of these reference books have errors in them and it is also possible that there were only 5 cars made - but which ones is a much harder question.

    The table above that Rick has posted comes from the book "THE PORSCHE BOOK" by BARTH & BUSING.
    There is an obvious typo in this table with the serial number of one car (911 130 0683) being repeated but the table suggests 5 cars.
    The 4 cars therefore shown there are 0683, 0637, 0647, and 0589.
    Another reference, first published in 1978, is "The Porsche book" by Boschen and Barth. On page 266 it has a similar table and lists the chassis numbers of 5 2.2 Safari cars. They are 0637, 0683, 0589, 0561, and 0612. The first 3 of these correspond with the previous table but 0647 is not shown and instead 0561 and 0612 are listed.

    This is complicated as at the same time they were making so called 2.2 "werks rallye" cars and the table that Rick has posted above lists 0558, 0565 and 0561 as those cars. 0565 was a tangerine rallye ST car for Waldegaard and I dont have records on the others. It is possible therefore that the inclusion of 0561 in the Boschen book was an error and the double entry in the Busing book for 0683 should have been 0612.

    IF that is the case then the 5 cars would be 0589, 0612, 0637, 0647, and 0683. What is clear however are the registration plates.
    It is easiest to refer to the cars by registration plate given some of the numbers may be in doubt or at least unknown.

    Two of the green cars were the werks entries:
    car#1 S-AA 4826 for Andersson which has been claimed is 911 130 0637 and certainly that is how it has been offered for sale in recent years
    car #33 S-AA 4825 for Waldegaard which has been claimed is 911 130 0647 and certainly that is how it has been offered for sale in recent years
    One was a practice car S-AA 3128.

    Of the White cars one was the werks entry #19, S-AA 4827 for Zasada/ Bien. That is almost certainly 911 130 0683 and is the one K J restored. Of all of them I think it is the least open to questions.
    The other white car was S-AA 3129, so far unidentified as well.
    As an aside I believe that the two practice cars were entered in the event as:
    #7 Entrant: SEARS TYRES; driver: R.Gerrish

    #37 Entrant: MOTORSPORT CLUB; driver: A.Kling
    (EDIT I have now seen a photo of the #37 car and it is not a practice car but a private SWB entry totally separate to the factory)
    So all cars may have participated. (EDIT this is no longer correct)

    This car that has now been uncovered in Germany is a green one. It is 911 130 0589 which is shown in both books as a safari car. The question is which green one is it and is it one of the werks ones or a practice car. To complicate matters further I have been told that the green practice car went back to Austria after the event and was campaigned in European rallies until it was written off in the late 1970’s. On that basis, if correct, there are FOUR green cars when only 3 were ever supposed to exist.

    So at least the emergence of this car (even if what I was told about the car in Austria is incorrect) throws questions over the other two cars’ identity (not whether they were safari cars as that seems clear but WHICH ones they were)

    I have recently seen paperwork that suggests that this German car 0589 was the waldegaard car – not the car at Rennsport 0647, which originally came out of Europe as a Mexican blue car in the early 2000’s. If it is correct that 0589 is the #33 Waldegaard car what was the ex blue car? It certainly was a safari car but was it the other werks entry (raising even more questions) or one of the practice cars, and if so which one the white or green one?

    I am keeping a very open mind on this but suspect it may change a few views as all the facts come out as they inevitably will
    Last edited by HughH; 12-17-2014 at 03:52 AM. Reason: new informantion about private entry #37
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