R, RS and RSR clone cars, hot rods, R gruppe cars, or otherwise for Sale

[MikeyC]

Anyone else baffled by that Viper Green RS tribute that Silverstone Auctions recently sold ($190k US ) . I’m a Dinosaur and cannot drag the ad over , but it belongs on here .
TB73

Yes, completely baffled me too.

[TB73]

If the motor is 74’ RS MFI it’s worth a chunk but the paint tag and spare tire pic had me gagging ..... can’ Imagine it could pull down $80k on BAT

[72targa]

Anyone else baffled by that Viper Green RS tribute that Silverstone Auctions recently sold ($190k US ) . I’m a Dinosaur and cannot drag the ad over , but it belongs on here .
TB73

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/...-rs-recreation

[DOUGS73E]

Anyone else baffled by that Viper Green RS tribute that Silverstone Auctions recently sold ($190k US ) . I’m a Dinosaur and cannot drag the ad over , but it belongs on here .
TB73

Silverstone Auctions, The May Live Online Auction 2020
1971 Porsche 911E 'RS Tribute', Lot 117
VIN: 9111200678
Engine: -
Trans: -
Color: Viper Green/Black Leatherette
Mileage: 08,017 km (indicated)
Auction Estimate: -
Sold for: £161,700/~US$204,800

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Auction Description:

- Long-term restoration/recreation using an original Australian 2.2-litre 911'E' dating from 1971
- Work carried out by Porsche specialists Autohaus Hamilton in New South Wales
- Powered by an original 2.7-litre Carrera ('74) engine with a 915 gearbox. Many original RS body panels
- Very detailed invoices from Autohaus from December 2003 to February 2013
- The car was shipped to the UK during October 2013 and UK-registered as BAD 1K
- The interior is predominantly original RS but was refreshed by Porsche Tonbridge in January 2015
- Superbly presented in Viper Green with the correct 1973 2.7 RS graphics and black interior
- It's very rare for a recreation of the legendary 2.7 RS to be based on a contemporary car that has significant value itself
- Any inspection of this superbly prepared car and its paperwork would be welcome
- NB. the cherished registration illustrated 27 RST does not form part of the sale

The 1973 Porsche 911 2.7 RS is considered by all knowledgeable Porsche enthusiasts to be the single best 911 of all time. This is high praise when you consider the large number of 911 models that have been built over the 50+ years since the model's introduction. The Carrera RS (Renn Sport) is still, to this day, the benchmark 911, the beautiful lines only being matched by the sheer delight of driving it, with its positive steering, exhilarating sound and linear performance. Built before the American "ugly bumper" era and the oil/fuel crisis, the RS had a purity of purpose that was not compromised by outside factors. For this reason, the Porsche RS Replica market has grown enormously and demand is far outstripping the supply of quality machines. The majority of RS recreations are based on later 911s, however, the immaculate evocation here is based on an original 1971, 'D' Series 2.2-litre 911E, a rare and valuable car in its own right.

Dating from 1971, this Porsche 911E was originally left-hand drive and belonged to Crispin Dawes who lived in Balmoral Ridge in Queensland, Australia. It was raced locally during the 90s and was involved in a light rear-end accident in 1996. A few months later he decided that rather than repair the car he would convert it to right-hand drive and create the ultimate homage to the legendary 2.7 RS.

This work was entrusted to Autohaus Hamilton of New South Wales, well-established Porsche specialists and they were to be involved with the car right through until 2013 when it was shipped to the UK. In total there are 30 pages of detailed invoices from Autohaus amounting to almost 95,000 Australian dollars and anyone considering the purchase of this lovely RS needs to spend some time examining these as, in addition to the 2.7-litre engine, 915 gearbox, body restoration and major parts, every nut, grommet and washer that went into this car's preparation is listed. The first invoice ($21,100) is dated 19-12-2003 and runs to 5 pages and includes the replacement 2.7-litre Carrera engine, 915 gearbox and clutch. Over the next 8 years, the work appears to be spaced out, but reading through, it's obvious that correctly replicating a '73 RS was the priority. The odometer readings increased between invoices so we assume the car was being used regularly. In June 2012 it was fully stripped again and was sent to the "panel shop" for an engine out, glass out respray in the correct shade of Viper Green.

In October 2013, the Porsche was purchased by a well-known enthusiast in Norfolk to add to his collection and shipped in a container later that month. There is correspondence with HMRC in the file confirming the import and that all duties and taxes have been paid. The car was UK-registered in December 2013 as BAD 1K.

Although very happy with his new Porsche, our collector eventually decided that the interior, the majority of which was original RS was not up to the standard of the rest of the car and asked the Porsche Centre Tonbridge to refresh the car's interior, retaining all the carefully sourced RS parts and sort out one or two little niggles and this was carried out in January 2015. (Invoice in the file). At the same time, a new fuel tank was fitted complete with fuel pump, sender, filter and hoses, the rear brake disc backplates were replaced, a new spare wheel and battery were fitted and all four road wheels were refurbished. The invoice totalled £6,254.77 and the odometer read 6,411km at that point. The little RS now presents superbly with a deep shine and excellent detailing. The interior looks "as if no one has ever sat in it" and the RS speedometer shows 8,017km. The whole car looks and drives every inch the '73 2.7RS and is worthy of close inspection.

An original 1973 Carrera RS is out of reach for anyone but those with the deepest of pockets, but this car has so many of the dynamic properties of the 1973 icon, shares so many RS parts, is presented in excellent condition throughout, and is based on a 1971 911E a car that has significant value in its own right. The car is offered with an MOT valid until 22/04/2021, Swansea V5C, full details of its Australian restoration, UK import correspondence, and details of Porsche Tonbridge's fastidious attentions, meaning this incredible motor car is now ready for its next lucky owner to cherish and enjoy in equal measures.

Stop Press. Exciting news. Today, May the 19th, we have been lucky enough to speak to the man who created this fabulous car and he has confirmed certain really positive aspects of the car's build of which we were not aware when we wrote the original description. He explained that he had raced it for a period and following a bit of a rear-end tap he decided to convert it from left-hand drive to right-hand drive and create the ultimate homage to the legendary 2.7 RS. The work was carried out over 10 years initially and obviously all of the details are in the 30 pages of detailed invoices from Autohaus Hamilton in NSW as listed before. However, importantly, he assures us that the body panels, wings, dashboard, steering wheel and instruments are all original RS parts having being sourced over time, something we suspected but couldn't confirm, and most importantly the engine is an original 2.7-litre Carrera unit dating from 1974. Otherwise, the information in our original story hasn't changed and this additional information is confidence-inspiring and makes this remarkable Porsche seem even better value.

[NZVW]

I can understand getting a premium price for a Right Hand Drive 911, BUT a LHD 'rear ended' 1971 E converted to RHD,,,, really? Guess there is always a "sucka" out there.

[Indiana Jones]

Hey there,

I am interested in this car, but I am a little new to the modified 912 world. It seems to be priced a bit high, although it does have a 911S motor, and for intents and purposes appears to have been done right (for what its worth).

The color isn't ideal, nor is the fact that it is a 912 priced at 60k, but I am looking for a little outlaw, and would love input on what route to take.

Thanks in advance!

This is an old school track day 1967 SWB 912 with a 68 911S engine, built back in the day by a well-known Indiana Club racer Richard Gonzales. Richard was true rocket scientist who worked for NASA, who had a doctorate degree in electrical engineering, and was a professor at Purdue University Northwest. He also worked Argonne National Laboratory testing electric cars. This car was driven to the University during the week and raced on weekends in SCCA and PCA. His recent obituary states: “He was an avid autocross racer and a member of multiple racing organizations. He regularly won races into his 80's.” Richard built this hot rod from parts sourced from a 68 European delivery 911. The 68 911S engine has been updated with oil fed tensioners. The engine is clean, seems to have low hours, and compression in all cylinders is around 150psi cold. Dual exhaust headers w/ megaphones and muffler inserts make for great sound, but still somewhat street able. The engine is cooled by 2 extra oil coolers up from, fed by aircraft quality braided lines and fittings. The gearbox is the original to the 912, 4 speed “H” pattern set up with LSD, set up with short shift and reverse lock out bar. The car has a fully adjustable suspension. The window frames are later alloy versions from the 68 911. The car has steel flares all around. Most of the body and paint are from 80’s and looks great but does have some battle scars. The back bumper is 911R type sourced from Roth-sport. The tub is very solid with some patches and welded in jack pads. The seats are recent Vintage Seats w/ Recaro sliders, the belts are older 5 point, door panels are RS style, and car has a full roll cage minus side bars. The dash is original with 68 911 instruments, radio delete plate and steering wheel is removable Momo Proto-tipo. Fuel cell is SCCA rated, with hi output fuel pump and fuel accumulator. The car has a full fire system. Brakes are updated w/ Wilwood 4 piston calipers up front, with a bias control valve in car. This car runs and drives very well. Recent oil change and new spark plugs. Wheels are fresh 7” and 8” Fuchs, with new Pirelli P6000 street tires. The car is set up with 25.5” ride height and would make a cool street hotrod with ability to do track day events or DE, or vintage rallies. Comes with letter from Elaine Krasowksi, another Purdue University professor who purchased the car from Richard, and period track and autocross photos. More photos:https://www.millersportscars.com/1967swbhotrod $59,950 my email is tom@millersportscars.com 908-693-5723

[nvr2mny]

Hey there,

I am interested in this car, but I am a little new to the modified 912 world. It seems to be priced a bit high, although it does have a 911S motor, and for intents and purposes appears to have been done right (for what its worth).

The color isn't ideal, nor is the fact that it is a 912 priced at 60k, but I am looking for a little outlaw, and would love input on what route to take.

Thanks in advance!

Indy,

Welcome. First off, IMHO, it’s always better to buy a car already done, UNLESS, you have the: time, skill, money and patience to build one, or have someone else build it for you. Reputable shops that specialize in P-cars can be years out. Well done 912/6’s are a great “cheap” (relative) place to start if you want a hotrod to flog around in. The car you are inquiring on is a SWB and an ideal year for a hotrod (again, IMHO) and honestly, if it’s solid, is a good buy. You certainly could not build it, even if you have the skills, for that. You can get in relatively cheap, and make it “yours” along the way. Best of luck.

[Indiana Jones]

Indy,

Welcome. First off, IMHO, it’s always better to buy a car already done, UNLESS, you have the: time, skill, money and patience to build one, or have someone else build it for you. Reputable shops that specialize in P-cars can be years out. Well done 912/6’s are a great “cheap” (relative) place to start if you want a hotrod to flog around in. The car you are inquiring on is a SWB and an ideal year for a hotrod (again, IMHO) and honestly, if it’s solid, is a good buy. You certainly could not build it, even if you have the skills, for that. You can get in relatively cheap, and make it “yours” along the way. Best of luck.

I certainly appreciate the feedback here. My major concerns are the fact that the car is not local to me, the age of backdate/paint/work, and that I am largely ignorant to these cars. I'm going to do a little more research but appreciate all the help here.

[Indiana Jones]

Since I’ve posted last, a car has popped up that is local to me and I am headed to see it this morning. I have spoken with the owner, he has owned the car for close to 30 years, and is as sincere as they come. It was certainly a track car, and the owner was PCA instructor. I called a few of the local shops and they all know him well and have great things to say about him.

With that being said the car is no show queen from the looks of the photos, and has been gone through extensively. I’m going to look today, but would really like to know what a reasonable number for both sides would be. Really a tough ask of you all here, but any insight would be great.

From what I seem to know, there’s no rust, and the engine/trans and all other mechanicals are well sorted and fresh (newly built engine and trans).

Thanks again all
Richard



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...-59-000-a.html

[Indiana Jones]

I was able to take a look and drive the car this morning. Initial impressions are that the car is in good shape less the track wear and tear on the paint, and more concerning, oil leak(s). The leaks are the bigger issue to me as the motor is freshly rebuilt and I am not sure if it should be leaking so soon. I am leaning towards moving forward with a PPI, but would love any insight regarding this. There was a fair amount of oil on the ground and I was there for roughly 1.5 hours (moved the car twice and there were noticeable drips.

I have always heard these old motors "always" leak, but not sure if that is 100% accurate and/or to the extent.

Either way, I would assume a leak down test would let me know if the motor is in good shape, but as it stands I would likely want the leaking to be addressed. I am unsure as the cost of taking care of this, but would like to know if anyone could share ballparks to give me a better idea?

Thanks
Richard