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  1. 12-04-2016, 03:56 AM #141
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    As long as the Ferrari serial number is intact you're good to go. I would think the same thing should be true a Porsche. A clone is a reproduction of a real car. It's not the real car.

    "Clone: Cloning is a form of reproduction. Cloning is the process of making a genetically identical organism. The key word here is identical. If a car is called a clone then we have to assume that it’s identical to the original. That’s the basic definition of a clone. If the copy is not totally perfect then it’s not really a clone."

    If the original VIN is in place then I would call it a restoration. You're returning the car to it's original condition. Even if very little is left of the original car.

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  2. 12-04-2016, 05:34 AM #142
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardnew View Post
    As long as the Ferrari serial number is intact you're good to go. I would think the same thing should be true a Porsche. A clone is a reproduction of a real car. It's not the real car.

    "Clone: Cloning is a form of reproduction. Cloning is the process of making a genetically identical organism. The key word here is identical. If a car is called a clone then we have to assume that it’s identical to the original. That’s the basic definition of a clone. If the copy is not totally perfect then it’s not really a clone."

    If the original VIN is in place then I would call it a restoration. You're returning the car to it's original condition. Even if very little is left of the original car.

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    I think most of us agree that you can never return a car to it's original condition. Many 'clones, re-creations, tributes, inspired by cars are more 'original' in that they maintain the body and features that the factory actually made in the day, even though some parts are modified to duplicate another factory built car in the day. Many of the collectible cars today are really re-creations of the originals, and claim their value from a VIN or production number on a panel, but often have less original content than many pedestrian cars driven by enthusiasts today. The market gives credence to this collectible car concept, but sometimes the degrading comments that accompany 'definitions' of modified cars don't give proper respect for how the market values modified (maybe more original) cars that are well done.

    Generalizations are generally to be viewed with some skepticism.
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  3. 12-04-2016, 05:43 AM #143
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    Gib is so right, the only "original' cars, are unrestored.
    Restored cars are nothing more than "re-creations", and so often contain fewer original parts than many "individually tailored" cars.
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  4. 12-04-2016, 06:56 PM #144
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    SOLD:

    1973 911 Coupe "RS Hybrid Clone"
    Viper Green over Black Leatherette

    VIN 9113100611

    $97,500

    Located Allentown PA

    Please call Fred (see below) for full detail on the build:
    - Rust free chassis
    - Steel RS flares
    - JPC cage tied into suspension
    - JRZ suspension and new springs
    - Corner weighted
    - Dyno engine 300 HP at rear wheel
    - 2300 pounds
    - 3.58 Liter Peter Dawe motor based on 993 case and 993 intake
    - Bosch DME Motronic ECU
    - 120 miles on new engine and re-gear of transmission to accommodate new motor
    - 2 new oil coolers
    - New oil lines
    - Fresh 915, 5-speed, gear box with Limited Slip
    - Transmission oil cooler and pump
    - Lightweight Flywheel
    - Functioning heater boxes with custom exhaust
    - Brakes: 993TT with floating front rotors
    - 23mm master cylinder
    - Fresh rotors and pads
    - 17” x 8” and 17” x 9” rims
    - Seats: ST style custom made
    - Schroth 6 pt. harnesses (black) expire 2021
    - RS style lightweight carpet kit
    - Momo prototype wheel

    More than twice the asking price spent on the build which took over two years to complete.

    Phone inquiries preferred but text and email will work. More photos available.

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  5. 12-06-2016, 07:34 PM #145
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    Currently on ebay.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Porsche...m=142196207659

    Photos don't do it justice. Top quality work by John Esposito with custom flares. Sadly only a stock SC motor.
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  6. 12-06-2016, 08:52 PM #146
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    No mention whatsoever of suspension.

    Green car above it is not a backdate, much better value.
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  7. 01-15-2017, 06:03 AM #147
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    $70,911. I think everyone did well on this BaT sale.

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  8. 01-15-2017, 06:08 AM #148
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    Historical Fictions.

    A lot of restored cars are really fictional. They're like Williamsburg VA. Williamsburg is a wonderful place to visit. it's just not much like the original town. Williamsburg is a fictional representation of colonial life.

    We have a lot of Porsches now that are far nicer than anything that came form Germany. They're a fictionalized version of what a real Porsche was like.

    People are restoring cars to they way they wish Porsche had built them - not to the way Porsche actually built them.

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  9. 01-15-2017, 06:30 AM #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardnew View Post
    People are restoring cars to they way they wish Porsche had built them
    Isn't this the 'hot rod' thread?
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  10. 01-15-2017, 11:13 AM #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Simmeth View Post
    Isn't this the 'hot rod' thread?
    As they say if you are only good with hammers all problems look like nails.

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