Help - Radio Faceplate Needed?

[tom1394racing]

I am about to install the Blaupunkt Frankfurt into my '70E restoration project. The dash fascia has been redone with fresh basket weave as shown. I am planning to install the radio through the back of the face plate and then install the chrome radio bezel into the front. I assume this will be the same as the factory installation.

I have also seen some basket weave radio face plates. I am guessing that they were used for dealer or aftermarket radio installations.

So my question is....Will my installation be correct without an additional face plate?

[edmayo]

Do you have the correct U-shaped support tab to support the back of the radio? The only plastic basket weave plates I've ever seen were for dealer 914 radio installs. I think you should be correct for what you have for the 911. I know there are others more expert on this than me, hopefully you'll get more input.

[mfitton]

It doesn't look like you have the correct chrome trim piece for front installation yours is for an earlier car where the radio and chrome trim push in from behind, it still may work OK depending on the size of your cutout. You need this chrome trim piece with the recessed center bar for front install and the cutout is a little smaller.

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[PMNorris]

My Frankfurt is installed without the u shaped bracket, but with the 2 brackets on the side shown in mike's pic. It's quite solid, but do you know where I can get the u shaped bracket?

Thanks
Paul

[mobius911]

This is one source; not sure if there are others. Although this kit is for a 914, the u-bracket is the same (and you get the bonus power cord as well as what appears to be the rear extension for the shorter Frankfurts). The side clips in the kit are specific to the 914 so you'll need to source the ones shown in post 3 separately. They show up in the parts section pretty regularly.

http://www.autoatlanta.com/Porsche-9...-Kit-srch.html

[911MRP]

This picture shows the shape of the chrome surround as depicted in the model '73 911 T/E/S driver's manual. Photo is not the best quality unfortunately because it is blown up from original book's small image but the part's overall shape and in particular the area around the chrome cross bar's height & alignment relative to the vertical chrome sides can be made out -- posted here for those interested in seeing it. There is often discussion on crossbar of surround being very noticeably stepped back -- these photos allow the reader to see/ judge. Intent of post is to provide some information that might help folks who are very keen to get installation looking "right" based on the pictures contained in the period factory handbook that actually came with these cars when brand new, in case their manual has gone missing.

(The Porsche not Blaupunkt facia parts do actually vary depending on the side of wheel -- different part numbers according to my parts books - in fact my friend Mike once pointed out to me at a DDK meeting at Fairmile pub meeting that unlike the LHD cars the RHD of the MY 73 period the heater controls are mounted off centre relative to horizontal silver edges of dashboard for some reason? No we weren't drunk . A small curiosity, possibly due to component fit and clash considerations.)

I'm sure there were all sorts of variation of radio fitment in reality back in the day but maybe this helps as a reference given factory publication provenance of source ...despite my reservations expressed to edmayo elsewhere about the wisdom of doing just that!





The correct installation from manufacturer Blaupunkt for Porsche 911 T/E/S 1969-onwards without speaker as listed company's USA and UK Blaupunkt factory price lists that were both published for the sales year commencing in 1972 was part number 7608573000. The same part number in both national markets therefore so no regional variation in the installation kit or difference for RHD vs LHD. The US market price in 1972 being $12.75 retail and the UK market price £9.20 - without speaker.

Photos of 1972 and 1973 Blaupunkt (British market) brochures related to the price list depicting the Porsche 911 dash with that car model specific fitting kit. Second picture is of the US model however becase of the AM FM buttons.





Versions of these installation kits including a speaker were available too but listed under two different part numbers and with a higher price to cover speaker, cable ..also the 914 had its own versions - both with and without speaker - again different part numbers.

The 911 versions up to 68 have two different numbers likewise.

I posted more information and photos from some of the detailed Blaupunkt period factory sources in my possession here starting at post # 11 ...
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...US-model-radio

....but that was someone's for sale thread (now closed) and similar questions might keep coming up. Also some other information in the other threads has links that might provide further reference information.

HTH

[911MRP]

Tom

Nice radio unit but two knobs are not exactly correct for Porsche, the ones you have are very good condition examples of several other designs available in that period. The Porsche ones are smooth. Yours are in excellent condition however so you may wish to keep them given the likley variations of what was fitted to cars back in the day and the outlandish prices sometimes asked for replacement -- you can see in my other posts the generally accepted Porsche style if interested.


Here are just small selection of examples from some spare pairs I have in my desk drawer, most of my nice Porsche ones are fitted to various radio units...and there are many other shapes and sizes for Blaupunkt beyond this selection (let alone the Becker ones and the commonly seen Mercedes and BMW black/silver ones I've deliberately excluded here). Even the superficially similar ones in centre of shot are subtly different size, height and surface shape/ texture. Confusing, well beyond point of caring for most folks - probably.
Cheers

Steve

[tom1394racing]

Thanks for all the input. The radio install went smoothly and I am happy with the results.

Steve....I was wondering about the knobs. I will do some research and check my stash to see if I have anything closer to the correct ones.

[911MRP]

Looks great Tom, and I'm sure what you eventually decide your car will be great fun-- knobs take about a second or two to switch over -- and looks like you've got a couple of other things on the job list to get done first

I help at a mates very long established independent specialist 'shop here in London for fun on occasional days (when my day-job permits) and been doing things on a whole raft of early 70s 911 plus some 356 models in various states of repair ....he mainly does air cooled. Most recently circa 50k mileage 911E that got a bit rough around edges after nearly 20 years storage / never started through to snagging 70 T that's just come out of a 2 year full on restoration. Got some idea of what you are involved in.

Enjoy and good luck