1973 MY Brown Carpet pieces - NEW from Tony

[911_2.2T]

I had these manufactured by Tony for my 1973 Tan/Aubergine Targa.
I sent him a leather hide for the Piping with a good match to the chocolate brown vinyl piping of the original brown carpets.
The material he used for these front and rear mats is a very close match to the original dark brown carpet set.
He was the only vendor at that time that had this material and I had these as an extra spare set made next to an entire carpet set.
Car with the set is gone and these have been on my shelves for a couple years in plastic.
I have no need for them since my current rest is salt and pepper carpet.
$299 shipped for the set (4 pieces and much less than I Paid for them)

[damsroy]

Hi,

Is it for a tan or brown interior?

Thank you.

[911_2.2T]

It's for both, there is only one datk brown carpet in 72/73

[911_2.2T]

It more suits the darker brown interior rather than the light tan one

Sorry but that is simply not correct. As stated above, this is for both tan and brown interior. There were only 2 carpet colors in 72/73. See this link for factory color chart: http://content.us.porsche-clubs.pors...2574F600635E9A

[911_2.2T]

Here is a link to the orinal tread when I did the research on correct materials, and had the carpets made by Tony: http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...t=Brown+carpet

Here is link to the original carpet piece I used to make the match that I sold off earlier: http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...t=Brown+carpet

[BOYER73S]

Hmm that's pretty interesting info but sorry, despite you brochures I don't agree. I will explain why.

I have a late built 73E with a much lighter tan carpet, and yes it is original carpet, faded I know but never dark brown, just darker than it currently is, and Hugh H who post here often also has a 73 E that had original carpet in a much lighter brown colour than that piece you bought from Paul.

I doubt that Aussie delivered cars got special carpet colours so I think there are at least 2 brown carpet colours for 73 not sure about 72 as don't have any original carpet from a 72 car.

The brown you have is the only brown available in the current hagarn carpet range

Your 4 page brochure is also missing many car colours so maybe its missing carpet options too.

[911_2.2T]

Clyde, personal opinions don't really help people in determining if the mats will be a good match to their carpet.
It would be an odd ball to have dark mats with light color carpet.
And I'm not debating vynil colors here, there are 3 in the color chart, of wich 2 are brownish.
There have always been cars with different colors in everything, most of it is listed in the birth certificat, some of it is not.

For 99% of the cars with beige/tan or brown interior and brown carpet these will be a very close match if you still have your originals in the car.

I have approached several of the so called specialist in europe and us and Tony was the only one that had this type of carpet left. He was able to make 2 full carpet sets and 2 sets of mats out of the material he had and that was his last at that point in time. i'm not sure what the current status of the brown carpet material is, but everything I got sent at thta point in time was way off. If you currently order a full (4) matt sets at any good upholstry shop with this material and lether piping you will pay at least the same amount of money. (Just ordered a charcoil set for my T)

[BOYER73S]

Fair enough, will edit my opinions.

Still think there were more than 2 carpet colours for 73 at least not just the 2 your cahrt shows.

Check Hugh's research in last post in this thread.

http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...carpet+colours

I agree that the brown haargan in those mats you have is the best match we have available currently to the dark brown carpet.

I wonder how it was decided if salt and pepper black or brown was used on an Aubergine car as I remember Kents Moore's Aubergine beauty had a tan interior with salt and ppepper black carpet
but your car has brown carpet.

[HughH]

I am not keen to jump in between Clyde and Alex, and I have one of the other sets of carpet Alex had made up back then now in my car (and I think it is great).

However I do think that in 1973 at least, and probably earlier, there were at least two "browns" in the carpet range (three or more if you count the beige of earlier years but i think that it should be discounted as even though "beige" may have shared an option code in earlier years with one of the browns (tan or light brown) in later years it was a different and much lighter colour).

I do think that the original carpet in my June 1973 built car was the light brown not the darker one i now have. My option code was 32 - leatherette beige/tan with corduroy seat inserts. However after almost 40 years of fading etc I could not tell what the original colour really was, even by looking at pieces that hardly were exposed to the light. I do know that it was not the pale (almost white) beige that was seen in some earlier cars and I am sure it was more of a tan or honey colour than the darker brown I now have from Alex which is the same as the ones this thread is about (or at least was ....sorry Alex for continuing the hijack)

One of the problems is that the interior codes really seem to cover only the seats, including the center strip of material, and the panels but not necessarily the carpets. I find it difficult to believe that there is not a separate code somewhere in the build records for carpet type and colour which could be used to solve this but I have not been able to find one yet. (one of the problems in doing so is that the best internal documentation of how these cars were constructed is found in the RS book, and the new edition has raised the bar substantially on that showing copies of all sorts of documents used in the production process, but apart from a couple of special cars for the family the RS's interior especially the carpet came in black only so there is no paper trail to decipher.) I have a build sheet for a 72 car separate to the material in the RS book but unfortunately the interior in that car is black as well and I cannot see any reference to a separate code for carpet on it anyway.

My current belief (until proven otherwise) is that while there were different carpet colours (and probably 2 "browns" like there were separate codes for both brown (2 and 7)) and beige/tan (3 and 8) leatherette and leather respectively for the interior panels) there was probably a general rule that, unless ordered otherwise, a specific colour of carpet automatically went with a specific interior colour ORDER NUMBER so there was no need to specify the carpet colour on the build sheet unless it was a special order and then it would have a 99 code anyway. I take Clydes point however that some cars with tan interior seem to have salt and pepper carpets while others do not so my OCD genes will not let me stop trying to get to the bottom of this . Given how methodical the process was with everything being written down somewhere I am sure there will be a document explaining it somewhere.

However until we can get to see a number of these (a build sheet from 1979)' or their equivalent from 1973, in readable form it may be difficult to resolve
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I do know that i looked for a very long time for whet might be a correct colour carpet, and still look at things that may resolve this, and while there may be other "tan" coloured carpets around, none have the same look and texture that the hargarn carpet has.

Alex to your point that you would not have light colored carpet and dark mats - I agree. If it was light ALL the carpet, including on the backs of the rear seats and the mats were the same colour. I did debate whether to go with the brown ones Alex had made up or keep looking for a possible "tan" carpet but i decided since the rest of the interior was being redone in leather rather than the original tan leatherette and the seat centres were being done with houndstooth instead of tan corduroy both of which which were also unobtanium I was not going to worry about the brown v tan. Here is the gratuitous shots of the finished interior and one of the old rear carpet and lighter coloured piping that was originally in the car (I cannot be certain that it was original to the car but It certainly looked like it)
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[steve shea]

I have posted on this before. My car is a 73S IT spec, aubergine/cinnamon leatherette/32. I have owned it since 88 or so. At Porsche parades and other shows I have attended, I obviously checked out any aubergine car and tan interior cars. Especially if original. I have been in it long enough to have seen a fair number of aubergine cars but they are not common. I have seen cinnamon or tan with the brownish carpet and liver colored vinyl binding most often. By the way the 700 mile Moore T does have brown not black carpets. Aubergine /brown cars were second in number and had the exact same carpet as the lighter cinnamon. Same liver binding as well. Third, and least seen by me anyway, was aubergine/black/black carpets. Never have seen a tan or brown car with black carpets. I am only speaking of 72 73 cars here. I think there was only one brown carpet. Dye lots can change but I do not think two browns were offered for 72/73. This just my observation but I was keenly aware as I to was on the hunt for new material for the interior.