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    New rear tyre from Pirelli for RSR and later cars in the size 215/60VR15 CN36

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    For some time now we have had the 165HR15 Cinturato CA67 https://www.cinturato.net/165-15 as an original tyre for early cars. However, in this size, there has always been some good options of top quality tyres such as the Michelin XAS http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page...helin-xas.html which was also a period option from 1965

    Recently also Pirelli re made the 185/70VR15 CN36 https://www.cinturato.net/185-70-15 which as well as being an excellent tyre also looked fantastic.

    However the braking news it that they are also about to reproduce the 215/60VR15 tyres that were fitted to some cars after (i think) 1973. I don't have a date of production as yet but it is good news all the same. Currently there isn't actually a perfect set up in these sizes. Granted there is the P6000 http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page...-p6000-n2.html which is an excellent tyre for modern cars; but the carcass is not suited to cars of that period (and they look wrong). Avon make the CR6ZZ http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page...von-cr6zz.html which again offers a matching front and rear, again fantastic tyre and they will drive better because the caracase has the rounded shoulders that cars of this period suit, but they are a road race tyre really and again they don't look right. so a genuine period front and rear tyre made by Pirelli will be excellent Name:  IMG_2576.jpg
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    Finally! Been hoping for these to put on the RS for a 'gazillion' years.

    Curious Doug, where do you see this announced? I don't see any news of the 216/60s coming on the Pirelli website. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fryardds View Post
    Finally! Been hoping for these to put on the RS for a 'gazillion' years.

    Curious Doug, where do you see this announced? I don't see any news of the 216/60s coming on the Pirelli website. Thanks.
    I know about it because i sat in a meeting with Pirelli discussing the future production of the Cinturato historic range. They have already made the 185/70VR15 CN36 http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page...elli-cinturato for me that was fitted front and rear pre 73, and the 165HR15 CA67 http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page...rato-ca67.html that was fitted pre '68. I have a Lancia Aurelia tyre on the way, a low profile option for MGB and Alfa Giulia, a tyre for the Ferrari Dino and one for 70's Ferrari & XJV12 Jaguar. and one of the other tyres in for production in the near future is your rear.

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    no, there website and sales staff do not know of these vintage tyres, when I was at the last porsche parade, I mentioned to the Pirelli staff that I had just fitted the Cinturato a67 in 165hr/15 they responded that I was lucky to find them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal Cawley View Post
    I know about it because i sat in a meeting with Pirelli discussing the future production of the Cinturato historic range. They have already made the 185/70VR15 CN36 http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page...elli-cinturato for me that was fitted front and rear pre 73, and the 165HR15 CA67 http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page...rato-ca67.html that was fitted pre '68. I have a Lancia Aurelia tyre on the way, a low profile option for MGB and Alfa Giulia, a tyre for the Ferrari Dino and one for 70's Ferrari & XJV12 Jaguar. and one of the other tyres in for production in the near future is your rear.
    Any discussion about re-releasing the Cinturato P7?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal Cawley View Post
    . . . also Pirelli re made the 185/70VR15 CN36 https://www.cinturato.net/185-70-15 which as well as being an excellent tyre also looked fantastic . . .
    Michelin still makes their XWX --- + in the correct size . . . for my car, anyway

    But --- as good as the Michelins look? . . .


    . . . Pirelli is what's on my Kardex



    So, thank you for that bit o' news, Mr Cawley

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    Yes Michelin do make the 185/70VR15 XWX you can buy them here https://www.borrani.com/michelin-tyr...helin-xwx.html or http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page...helin-xwx.html there is no doubt that the Michelin is also an excellent tyre, and for that period of 911 where they were fitted front and year that is a great option, but sadly Michelin don't make a 215/60VR15, and that is where for now the Avon CR6ZZ though it has a carcass that is developed to go with cars like these it doesn't look quite right and it is a road race compound which diminishes it's longevity.

    My apologies for the gratuitous advertising, but this is an old advert we published which shows you some of the other Michelin Porsche tyres that we currently sell. these tyres could well be of interest to you https://www.borrani.com/michelin-tyres.html?cat=1224 they are 16" tyres for the 964, 993 & 930
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    There is a slight discussion about P7. i don't want to get your hopes up, because it might not happen. i would say it definitely won't happen this year, there are other projects in progress. but:-
    what sizes would you be interested in?
    what cars are they for?
    can you give me rough numbers of how many of these cars are still around?
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    Big tyre manufacturers find that dealing with old tyres themselves doesn't necessarily work out, and it is best dealt with by specialist Nerds like us at Longstone Tyres, where we understand more about your cars.

    Currently i am very involved with Pirelli developing a classic tyre range. I would suggest that if you contact a specialist tyre dealer for cars like this you are more likely to get the full information. When it comes to Michelin or Pirelli we generally have a reasonable hold on what is going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal Cawley View Post
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    There is a slight discussion about P7. i don't want to get your hopes up, because it might not happen. i would say it definitely won't happen this year, there are other projects in progress. but:-
    what sizes would you be interested in?
    what cars are they for?
    can you give me rough numbers of how many of these cars are still around?
    Regarding the P7, it would be great to have it in 225/50 16. This is for the original 928s, that will be 40 years old next year. This was the original tyre for them, but any 928 from 1978 to 1985 model year could have it.

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    205/55 R16
    225/50 R16

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    They switched to Dunlop in the mid-80's. I think the Lamborghini Countach used the 225/50 R16 on the front wheels.

    Don't know how many SC's are still out there but I'd say plenty with high production numbers and full rust prevention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal Cawley View Post
    There is a slight discussion about P7. i don't want to get your hopes up, because it might not happen. i would say it definitely won't happen this year, there are other projects in progress. but:-
    what sizes would you be interested in?
    what cars are they for?
    can you give me rough numbers of how many of these cars are still around?
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    Big tyre manufacturers find that dealing with old tyres themselves doesn't necessarily work out, and it is best dealt with by specialist Nerds like us at Longstone Tyres, where we understand more about your cars.

    Currently i am very involved with Pirelli developing a classic tyre range. I would suggest that if you contact a specialist tyre dealer for cars like this you are more likely to get the full information. When it comes to Michelin or Pirelli we generally have a reasonable hold on what is going on.
    Carl Bauer - OBP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal Cawley View Post
    Hi


    Big tyre manufacturers find that dealing with old tyres themselves doesn't necessarily work out, and it is best dealt with by specialist Nerds like us at Longstone Tyres, where we understand more about your cars.

    Currently i am very involved with Pirelli developing a classic tyre range. I would suggest that if you contact a specialist tyre dealer for cars like this you are more likely to get the full information. When it comes to Michelin or Pirelli we generally have a reasonable hold on what is going on.
    Thanks for posting up here, and given the dire state of tire choices for early Porsche people who want period correct and performance, your thoughts and connections—and request for feedback—are invaluable. Curious if your contacts extend to Yokohama.

    You're onto the right path on the Michelin and Pirelli fronts, and one tire that eludes the late 1970s and 1980s/1990s set is a 205/55R16 or 225/50R16 front with a 245/45R16 rear. I suspect a P7 in those sizes would go over very well. As would a repop of the A-008P or A-008R or AVS intermediate by Yokohama.

    I just bought a set of Avon CR6ZZs, but I would have been all over a set of 195/65R15 A-008s or 205/60R15 A-008s or AVS intermediates from the original molds and similar or more modern compounds. They have the right sidewalls, the right period tread patterns from the "good old days" when these cars were really used regularly and hard (1980s and 1990s), and match up nicely with the cars—a nice performance boost over the XWXs etc without going to road race compounds and a complete absence of the alien sidewalls and 21st Century tread patterns seen on the slim pickins available today.

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