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Thread: New rear tyre from Pirelli for RSR and later cars in the size 215/60VR15 CN36

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    Hi Dougal

    That is good news. We have met and spoken about this tyre.

    I'm the guy from the F1 team / Motorsport Industry Association who bent your (and other folks) ears at the Pirelli /Longstone stand at the Birmingham Autosport international Motorsport show a year or two ago -- lobbying to reintroduce this CN36 215 60 15 Pirelli tyre.

    IIRC the RS was the first to have different size front and rears and initially its supply to Porsche exclusive to Pirelli, so good move from a historic milestone perspective. Available on that model from Porsche model year 1973 so presumably available from late summer 1972.

    I actually still have a couple of old German-made 215 60 15 CN 36. An old version that require inner tubes like were fitted to the RS when new, as documented in excerpt from an early 1973 RS road-test article shown at bottom of this post.

    Altough old they're still visually excellent shape and have decent tread do I've kept this pair for "show", (not "go" obviously) because nothing else looks quite right on early RS with 6 and 7s.

    This is a Pirell advert photo from June 1973 in a UK magazine, the tyre is labelled Roadstar and refers only to 70 profile -- so not sure why advert call them that unless they are different from CN36? Sprinzel had a Porsche dealership (Denham) UK listed in the Porsche factory service directory maroon and silver book in 1973.
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    Front CN36 have not been a problem to find and I have a number of period ones plus they are available but these rears in the 215 60 15 size proverbial hens teeth, so I'm told.

    It would be great to get some new -- correct and usable for an RS. The ones I have bear the old three digit date code and given they are old school tube type I've wondered if the 404 is week 40 of either 1974 or 1984. Maybe Dougal can tell me?

    There is no triangle signifying 90s, which I understand was used the decade before the move to 4 digit age code. Also I've owned car since before 94 so don't see how this pair here could be from week 40 1994 but it and IIRC they came with the car among the collection of spares but not actually on the car / wheels. It was a long time ago so not totally certain. Here and also at bottom are some pictures for anyone interested to see markings of these old 215 60 15 CN36 Pirellis:
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    Be interesting where any new ones made and what side markings appear.

    Brian (Fryardds) once kindly sent some info about my car. He pointed out had handwritten "Dunlop" hand annotated by someone at factory ( Jurgen Barth maybe?) alongside my vin # entry, but the car's spare is an unused wheel and 185 70 15 CN36 (all pimples intact across full tread) on the 6 x15 12/72 dated Fuchs. We never solved that mystery as my car would have probaly pre dated Dunlops being option on RS unless it was some sort of trial? Series Fuchs and full size spare are original to the British market RS and Pirelli brand tallies with a factory confirmation letter that I trust more than the COA, despite the latter saying Pirelli too.

    I also have pair of 215 60 15 correct specificaton or RS Dunlops too, but much prefer the Pirelli CN 36 tread pattern which seem right for first series RS. I have heard they were better quality from people who remember the choice with less failures when new. Matters not for show only tyres of course. The Dunlops are tubeless and dated similarly week 42 of year 4 as shown in photo below.



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    None of these old tyres are fitted to car or wheels, just stored carefully to preserve them.

    Steve

    Another shot of one of the tube type Pirellis showing date code and other info with the early RS February 1973 British road-test excerpt :
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    Quote Originally Posted by 911MRP View Post
    . . . nothing else looks quite right on early RS Fuchs 6" and 7" . . .

    As seen @Laguna Seca . . . circa '73 . . .
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    Those are the Dunlops. Good looking but bad separation issues. They still give me the willies....
    EVERY car that had them new had at least one fail!! Most had 2 or 3 fail. Please don't bring them back!
    The CN 36 Pirelli was just the opposite. Never had even one failure while they were under warranty.
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    Hi Harvey

    I think it must have been you who said something about the failure rate in these Dunlops . Knew I had picked up on comment from someone who really knew.

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    Steve

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    A vintage tire collection?

    Amazing stuff, Steve



    Another thread . . . . .
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...Original-Tires

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    Hi Rick,

    got all sorts of stuff that was once thought junk but if called Automobilia it now worth small fortune apparently. Still is old junk according to my wife! Probaly not got as much as some others have on this forum judging from reading posts in the Automobilia etc.

    Old tyres like mine here are for static show -- about as usable as a chocolate teapot. I have modern others on the car but have been keen to get a set of these new ones to go on the original rear 7s for some time hence my "lobbying".

    The fashion fitting 7and 8s and ever wider bigger wheels with low profile caught on due to significant improvements in tyre technology but to my tastes there is something distinctive about an early RS with original size 6 and 7 Fuchs sitting at correct ride height 185 70 upfront and with the distinctive shape of 215 60 15 in rear arches. These are after all classic cars now and the different size 6/7 with these different size Pirelli tyres was a first for a roadcar.

    Here is a the front of programme from my collection showing "Mr Porsche" Nick Faure as he was affectionately known here, the Porsche Cars GB /AFN driver wiping the floor with the competition back in March 1973 winning one of the 16 ( of I think just 17?) rounds of the British STP Production Sportscar championship, on this occasion in a the standard M472 touring British press demonstrator on its stock stock Pirelli CN36 tyres.
    Standard car still had radio etc.

    Only change to race car was was addition of a few required safety items like roll-bar, cut off switch and tyre pressure tweaks to these road legal Pirelli cinturatos.
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    As explained in the programme introductory remarks, the 1973 championship overseen here by UK Motorsport governing body the Royal Automobile Club was the ideal series for one of the first 500 series RS to excel at on its newly Pirelli road tyres.
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    They qualified under the group 3 and 4 rule even though the British importer had a quota of around 51 from the original 500 it had already been announced another 500 were being built back in October of 1972:
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    These early RS had Pirelli fitted, the Dunlop was developed a big later and option on subsequent series RS, IIRC.

    I bought my car, one that is that is similar to that pictured via Nick, it was once owned by his business partner and Nick borrowed and drove it on road from time to time back in 80s he told me. The Pirellis I still have, pictured above, came with but not on it IIRC. I've have had benefit of his teaching and coaching at circuits like Goodwood and Castle Coombe -- including his hands-off technique for dealing with an RS in the kind of extremis depicted in the 74 car on his letterhead and as described in the sidebar on RS British roadtest below. (Nick owned one of the 5 - or 6 if the prototype is included - 74 RHD 3.0 RS ever made). He uses the self centring of 911 steering to help recover when very sideways Not recommending folks try Nick's technique in their pride and joy however!

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    The same first 500 series RS that Nick is shown driving on the Oulton race programme is pictured cocking a wheel in the damp during its 1973 AutoCar road-test at MIRA; with some specific comments about the RS handling characteristic with the CN36 Pirelli tyres that are the subject of this post.

    Thought folks considering buying some of the soon to be rereleased classic tyres now might be interested in the period information about the 1972/3 original factory fit tyres bring used very successfully in this level of national motor-racing and reading the testers observations about their performance on the road from back when these cars were new:
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    I'm in the right place to conveniently get a fresh pair of these -- I think Longstone are based over here in Yorkshire -- they have some fun advertising and are well known as specialist classic car tyre suppliers.

    How are your car projects coming along Rick -- you had a few things planned, I recall?

    Steve
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    I always like your posts Steve, enjoyable and very informative.

    Thanks for sharing

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    Cheers Darren

    Let's try and meet up sometime, I do get along to the monthly Fairmile DDK pub meet organised by Chris quite often if you are ever get there? Also have been known to be found at his workshop in Willesden odd days, when not at the day job.

    Steve



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    Sounds like a plan Steve, look forward to catching up at some point.

    Cheers,

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    This further excerpt from the original British demonstrator RS roadtest conforms the M472 Touring was raced and won on the standard fit Pirelli tyres ( albeit a fresh set of these 215 60 15 cn36 rears) with minimum other preparation beyond required safety items.
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