64 901- 300024 (oldest ‘911’ race car). 64 911- 300214 (my first 911), 67S 911 Coupe 307372S, 67S 911 Coupe 306731S, 67S 911 SWT 500386S; 67 911R race car, 73 911E RGruppe 3.2, 73 911E S/R, 74 Carrera riviera blue, 74 Carrera Pete Maravich's, 74 Euro Carrera MFI Orange, 74 Euro Carrera MFI Lime Green, 75 RSR race car, '11 GT2RS (gone) , '11 GT3RS 4.0 (gone), 16 911R Mexico Blue stripes and wheels, 18 Turbo Sports Turismo, 19 GT3RS Lizard Green, 19 GT2RS Mexico Blue
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COA looks strange... but I'm brand new at this having just bought a '67 911S SWT...
- the COA should designate it as a 911S, right?
- Karmann coupe?
- Webasto heater (the literature says she 'S' came standard with the gas heater)?
Also interior has been changed and its running on a 130 hp engine. C of A is definitely and overlay
This car is only two serial numbers from mine, it is the forth from last built, total of 718 swt in 67. Cof A list the "S" engine, all 67 targa were Porsche bodys
registry #2072
Some Certificates of Authenticity are better than others. Most are better than this one.
500714 is the chassis number for a 1967 Porsche (formerly Reutter) Targa. In fact, the very last '67 Targa was 500718. Whowever made out that CofA should not have matched 500714 to a Karmann coupe (all 1967 Karmann coupes were 912s).
However, the original engine number of that "Karmann coupe" was 962171 which is in the number sequence for 911S engines and the 901/02 transmission type was specific to the 911S. A real 911S should have a chassis number followed by "S" but given that this car was delivered with an "S" engine and an "S" transmission I'll attribute the missing "S" to the CofA preparer.
It's pretty common for a CofA for a car that came standard with a Webasto heater to list that heater (and its serial number) under optional equipment--mine does.
The CofA doesn't mention sport seats so those might be a later "upgrade" Porsche's first leather wrapped steering wheel was a distinct feature of the 1967 911S so that's probably an unfortunate, although common, "upgrade" too.
I didn't know the 1967 door panels had those diagonal ribs, I suspect that's another "upgrade."
The Auctions America write-up has a number of errors. It says there were 236 Targas built in 1967. That might be the number of non-S Targas, there were about 500 911S Targas. It was probably Auctions America that got the horsepower wrong.
I think the sellers biggest mistake was failing to get the CofA corrected, followed by poor proofreading of the Auctions America write-up.
Jim Alton
Torrance, CA
Early 911S Registry # 237
1965 Porsche 911 coupe
1958 Porsche 356A cabriolet
Look at the C of A. The top of the signature is cut off and you can see difference in paper where they overlayed some other C of A on top. Again a 130 hp engine instead of 160 hp. Detail analysis is nice but clearly some type of scam. Take away the number of S targas from all ;67 targas and you get the number of normal targas which is about what they are quoting. I call BS and possible fraud. May be Auction America is just too dumb.
I dunno. I've seen that CofA format before and you can find it just by googling "Porsche Certificate of Authenticity" There's one signed by Detlev von Platen at Pelican:
I would certainly hope that someone forging a CofA knowing enough to pick a 911S engine number and a 911S transaxle type wouldn't be foolish foolish enough to call a 911S Targa a 911 [normal] Karmann coupe.
Auction house write-ups for Porsches are usually a source of comedy such as "Reliable Porsche sources indicate that in 1967 Porsche only built 236 911S Targa’s with the soft rear window such as seen here."
In fact, The Porsche Book by Jürgen Barth & Gustav Büsing gives these figures: 483 911S Targas and 235 911 [normal] Targas in 1967, although I think Bruce Anderson told me there were just over 500 911S Targas in '67 but if I wrote that down I don't know where.
What really surprises me is that the Auctions America website doesn't show the chassis number. Auctions America is a subsidiary of RM Sotheby's and has attended at least the last two Lit Meets--they should do better especially for one of the rarest short wheelbase street 911s.
There's not enough there for me to think fraud, but it is appallingly sloppy.
Jim Alton
Torrance, CA
Early 911S Registry # 237
1965 Porsche 911 coupe
1958 Porsche 356A cabriolet
From the same auction is this 3.0 Carrera Targa, which I've seen before. Is Auctions America very strong with their pre-auction estimate?? Nothing wrong with 3.0s but $170k - $190k? I think they may be taking a bit too much direction from the sellers perhaps. This particular owner told me that it was essentially an RS, but a later model.
Scott
http://www.auctionsamerica.com/event...egory=vehicles
1968 911S
1986 Carrera
2006 Carrera S
1973 BMW 3.0CS - Frances (gone but not forgotten)
I apologize. Pulled my old C of A for my targa and it does have the grey on white background. Also signature appears to be cut off but that is the way he signs his name. I'm sure wrong on that.
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